Just so you know - more Americans wanted Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump as POTUS

[sr71plt]

Just so you know, most people who don't live in New York City, Boston, Chicago, L.A. and San Francisco really didn't want Hillary Clinton to be president.

That's fine for those people to believe, but it's not a just reason that their vote outcounted the vote of someone living in New York City, Boston, Chicago, etc. On the whole those people aren't as educated as the ones living in the cities either--and, as we've learned, they are more deplorable and hypocritical in their moral underpinnings.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The rural in the rural-urban split only made the difference in this election because a rural vote outweighed an urban vote. At the base, this isn't really an American concept of equality in voting power--every person one equal vote.

Since when was a mob rule democracy and American concept?

LMFAO.....did you fail middle school civics class or some shit?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Ha! So the first time in almost half a century or more the college educated demographic went dem. ( by just a few points) and some people just can not shut up about it.

Of course they ignore that Trump won anyone making 75k plus.

Showing that the only thing the college demographic stat means is that this university's are pumping out brainwashed snow flakes with liberal art degrees that can't get a job.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ha! So the first time in almost half a century or more the college educated demographic went dem. ( by just a few points) and some people just can not shut up about it.

Of course they ignore that Trump won anyone making 75k plus.

Showing that the only thing the college demographic stat means is that this university's are pumping out brainwashed snow flakes with liberal art degrees that can't get a job.

I actually had a kid get pissed because his English degree didn't qualify him to run my 300 thousand dollar piece of heavy machinery.

Never so much as touched a skid steer or forklift but the guy just couldn't believe I thought he was unqualified.

At what point did we start raising kids to think any degree you want = good job??

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I actually had a kid get pissed because his English degree didn't qualify him to run my 300 thousand dollar piece of heavy machinery.

Never so much as touched a skid steer or forklift but the guy just couldn't believe I thought he was unqualified.

At what point did we start raising kids to think any degree you want = good job??

Probably about the same time they all needed safe places.

 

[Conager]

That's fine for those people to believe, but it's not a just reason that their vote outcounted the vote of someone living in New York City, Boston, Chicago, etc. On the whole those people aren't as educated as the ones living in the cities either--and, as we've learned, they are more deplorable and hypocritical in their moral underpinnings.

So your idea is that these brainiacs in these population centers should exercise dictatorial control over all the little towns located in the vast majority of the American continent? Whatever could possibly go wrong with a setup like that? Begs the question: Why do we bother to separate from England they've got smart people over there don't they and their big cities?

Do you know how many farmers are employed at the Department of Agriculture in Washington DC? How about the number of ranchers employed at the Bureau of Land Management?

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

The Framers were acutely sensitive to the fears of many that a new federal government would erode the independence and authority of the states and the people. To protect against that possibility, they stipulated that the federal government would have only a short list of powers that were explicitly enumerated in the Constitution. “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined,” Madison explains in Federalist No. 45. “Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.” Since federal jurisdiction extends “to certain enumerated objects only,” Madison stresses in Federalist No. 39, the Constitution “leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty over all other objects.”

The Constitution grants to the federal government all powers “necessary and proper” for executing its enumerated functions, but no authority whatever to rule on matters not explicitly delegated. The state and local governments, Madison explains, “are no more subject, within their respective spheres, to the general authority, than the general authority is subject to them, within its own sphere.”

Keep in mind a few things (no insult meant to anyone already aware of these facts):

1. the Federalist papers were written after the constitutional convention to champion state ratification of the proposed Constitution;

2. Madison, popularly known as "the father of the Constitution," was a obvious staunch Federalist, a Federalist being one who supported the Constitution's mandate of the new proposed federal government's omnipotent power over the states, BUT ONLY (as he clearly exhibits above) in the areas the Constitution purposely empowered it in.

Anti-Federalists, oth, were against the Constitution because they believed granting any federal government such omnipotent power would naturally lead to that government wanting more and more power, with the states equally losing more and more of its constitutional own (they were right); and

3. The Constitution would have never even passed out of its convention if the Federalists hadn't promised the Anti-Federalists that once the drastically needed Constitution was ratified, the very first business of its First Congress would be to pass Amendments to it to even further the constitutional point that the federal government's omnipotent power is definitively limited to only its specifically proscribed constitutional areas; the first 10 Amendments, the Bill of Rights, is that promise kept.

Sadly, even after the constitutional underlining the Bill of Rights intentionally exists as, Anti-Federalists are still being proven right today as the unconstitutional, illegal, socialist collective leviathanian reach of federal government simply grows and grows.

The absolute best thing President-elect Trump could do for America in the next four years is to pronounce LOUDLY to all Americans (and the world) that the very first qualification upon anything he does will be stipulated on whether or not the Constitution specifically affords his Office the power to act on any matter, thus also leading by that glorious constitutional example in also telling both the Legislative and Judicial branches that he will recommend for impeachment or immediate dismissal any other servant in federal government who doesn't practice that constitutional commitment, too.

Of course, if President Trump isn't American man enough to use the most powerful leadership position in our country (if not the world) to recommit us all to a nation of republican law instead of the nation of progressive people so much of it has become, then the Congress should fully act within its own omnipotent constitutional power and take the lead themselves, holding not only themselves to the constitutional standard, but also - as the sole owners of the constitutional federal power of impeachment & conviction - both the Executive and Judicial branches.

Read the article:

How Congress Can Revive the Constitution
http://www.theimaginativeconservati...constitution-joseph-baldacchino-timeless.html

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Since when was a mob rule democracy and American concept?

LMFAO.....did you fail middle school civics class or some shit?

It's not one person one vote.

SCOTUS already settled that issue in the Gore case...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Probably about the same time they all needed safe places.

You know it.

Job went to a lady who drove trucks for the USMC, worked with Nevada DOT for several years running every kinda machine they have. Even had some certs that didn't really matter but showed she could wheel some big kid toys around, clean record, even asked for less money than Kappa Delta Douche.

She got the job........no shit.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

I actually had a kid get pissed because his English degree didn't qualify him to run my 300 thousand dollar piece of heavy machinery.

Never so much as touched a skid steer or forklift but the guy just couldn't believe I thought he was unqualified.

At what point did we start raising kids to think any degree you want = good job??

Skid steers, forklifts, and end loaders don't cost 300 thousand and we didn't want Hillary in anyplace except jail.

 

[Conager]

Keep in mind a few things (no insult meant to anyone already aware of these facts):

1. the Federalist papers were written after the constitutional convention to champion state ratification of the proposed Constitution;

2. Madison, popularly known as "the father of the Constitution," was a obvious staunch Federalist, a Federalist being one who supported the Constitution's mandate of the new proposed federal government's omnipotent power over the states, BUT ONLY (as he clearly exhibits above) in the areas the Constitution purposely empowered it in.

Anti-Federalists, oth, were against the Constitution because they believed granting any federal government such omnipotent power would naturally lead to that government wanting more and more power, with the states equally losing more and more of its constitutional own (they were right); and

3. The Constitution would have never even passed out of its convention if the Federalists hadn't promised the Anti-Federalists that once the drastically needed Constitution was ratified, the very first business of its First Congress would be to pass Amendments to it to even further the constitutional point that the federal government's omnipotent power is definitively limited to only its specifically proscribed constitutional areas; the first 10 Amendments, the Bill of Rights, is that promise kept.

Sadly, even after the constitutional underlining the Bill of Rights intentionally exists as, Anti-Federalists are still being proven right today as the unconstitutional, illegal, socialist collective leviathanian reach of federal government simply grows and grows.

The absolute best thing President-elect Trump could do for America in the next four years is to pronounce LOUDLY to all Americans (and the world) that the very first qualification upon anything he does will be stipulated on whether or not the Constitution specifically affords his Office the power to act on any matter, thus also leading by that glorious constitutional example in also telling both the Legislative and Judicial branches that he will recommend for impeachment or immediate dismissal any other servant in federal government who doesn't practice that constitutional commitment, too.

Of course, if President Trump isn't American man enough to use the most powerful leadership position in our country (if not the world) to recommit us all to a nation of republican law instead of the nation of progressive people so much of it has become, then the Congress should fully act within its own omnipotent constitutional power and take the lead themselves, holding not only themselves to the constitutional standard, but also - as the sole owners of the constitutional federal power of impeachment & conviction - both the Executive and Judicial branches.

Read the article:

How Congress Can Revive the Constitution
http://www.theimaginativeconservati...constitution-joseph-baldacchino-timeless.html

Trump did not run as a constitutionalist but Hillary Clinton clearly has disdain for the document. I'm frankly amazed that Trump won.

The majority of the public ,not only would prefer it be a democracy, the public actually believes that we have a democracy. That we can put absolutely anything up for a vote and if it gets 51% of the public support it's in.


Most Americans believe that the president has supreme power is. That anything that a poll supports the president can implement.

Most of what I was taught from as early as the 1970s and 80's civics classes was entirely wrong and geared to promote the above.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Skid steers, forklifts, and end loaders don't cost 300 thousand

No shit.

That's why he didn't get to operate the big boy excavator or the compost turner that do.

and we didn't want Hillary in anyplace except jail.

Preaching to the choir man.

She broke national security laws and needs to pay the price.

 

[SCcouple1990]

Simple, basic fact.

Clinton got more votes than Trump. Literally nobody can refute this and maintain credibility.

No one can refute that Clinton received more votes than Trump during this election. However, that does not make it a fact that more Americans wanted Clinton than Trump to be President. For that to be determined Trump and Clinton would have to be the only choices. My vote was for Johnson, as it was in the last election, but given the choice of the two repugnant major party candidates I would have voted for Trump.

 

[Pairaclities]

Skid steers, forklifts, and end loaders don't cost 300 thousand and we didn't want Hillary in anyplace except jail.

How about loaders over $3,000,000.??
We got 'em.
Excavators @ $ 30,000,000.

Google!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I actually had a kid get pissed because his English degree didn't qualify him to run my 300 thousand dollar piece of heavy machinery.

Never so much as touched a skid steer or forklift but the guy just couldn't believe I thought he was unqualified.

At what point did we start raising kids to think any degree you want = good job??

If he was that stupid he probably also has an application in at some hospital somewhere to be a brain surgeon. Hey, why not? He is "edjumecated."

 

[Colonel Hogan]

That's fine for those people to believe, but it's not a just reason that their vote outcounted the vote of someone living in New York City, Boston, Chicago, etc. On the whole those people aren't as educated as the ones living in the cities either--and, as we've learned, they are more deplorable and hypocritical in their moral underpinnings.

You're right. That's not a good reason. The best reason, and the one you keep ignoring, is that the method of electing a President is specifically spelled out in the Constitution, and it is not at all surprising that the "fermenting of this whine" is led by so-called "progressives" who don't give half a damn about that document. Talk about deplorable hypocrites lacking in "moral underpinnings."

You and your pals can amend the election process by amending the Constitution. Trouble is, that process demands a greater than a simple majority vote as well, so you still don't have the votes to get your way.

These are the best two reasons your sniffling means absolutely nothing.

 

[Disgustipated]

Ha! So the first time in almost half a century or more the college educated demographic went dem. ( by just a few points) and some people just can not shut up about it.

Of course they ignore that Trump won anyone making 75k plus.

Showing that the only thing the college demographic stat means is that this university's are pumping out brainwashed snow flakes with liberal art degrees that can't get a job.

Yes.

No.

Definitely not a snowflake.

It's really hard to tell why exactly it all went the way it did for a couple of reasons. One, the one that is the really the most prevalent, is that California is all up in arms about the outcome. Not really. There are patches of that free college crowd but no one in the working/real world talks about it like that. It gets all the headlines nationally but you all outside of "Liberal" cities and states are being misled as to how "we" are truly expressing our shit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If he was that stupid he probably also has an application in at some hospital somewhere to be a brain surgeon. Hey, why not? He is "edjumecated."

Maybe but I doubt it. That's a respectable job.

He seemed to think operating equipment was simply beneath him and his fabulous UC whatever degree....it was his smugness I remember most.

Had he not been such a shit I very well may have trained him, he was certainly intelligent enough to learn and an none of it is rocket science.

But that fuckin' attitude.

It was all I could do to keep Drill SGT. Slaughter from rearing his ugly head.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Maybe but I doubt it. That's a respectable job.

He seemed to think operating equipment was simply beneath him and his fabulous UC whatever degree....it was his smugness I remember most.

Had he not been such a shit I very well may have trained him, he was certainly intelligent enough to learn and an none of it is rocket science.

But that fuckin' attitude.

It was all I could do to keep Drill SGT. Slaughter from rearing his ugly head.

I don't have much experience running heavy equipment either, but one of my most satisfying "jobs" was running a front end loader during a major Colorado blizzard for a friend of mine who owned a snow removal business.

He didn't pay me cash, but after we dug everybody out, he took a couple of us skiing in Utah for a long weekend.

I just got a real sense of accomplishment of moving all that snow and getting people moving again!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't have much experience running heavy equipment either, but one of my most satisfying "jobs" was running a front end loader during a major Colorado blizzard for a friend of mine who owned a snow removal business.

He didn't pay me cash, but after we dug everybody out, he took a couple of us skiing in Utah for a long weekend.

I just got a real sense of accomplishment of moving all that snow and getting people moving again!

It feels good to help others out.....unless psycho LOL

I also just like playing with big kid toys, I'd like to get a full size loader at some point, but I just don't move enough material to really justify the expense right now.

But maybe one day

I'm thinking about asking CA for permission to blow some shit up and crush/cut some of this pretty ass granite. Preliminary homework however seems to confirm my first thoughts that this would be like asking them to set off nukes level of teeth pulling to get a permit. So it's gonna be a lil bit before that happens, lots of bureaucrat ass to kiss between here and there

That's cool, I love ski/boarding....and anything else that gets me up on a mountain.

 

[thør]

No one can refute that Clinton received more votes than Trump during this election. However, that does not make it a fact that more Americans wanted Clinton than Trump to be President. For that to be determined Trump and Clinton would have to be the only choices. My vote was for Johnson, as it was in the last election, but given the choice of the two repugnant major party candidates I would have voted for Trump.

With 27.548% of eligible voters pulling the lever for Hillary, it's clear that she has an undisputed mandate over Trump who only drew 27.418% of the eligible vote. That's 0.13% of eligible voters!


Figures are based on numbers from http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/.

 

[BotanyBoy]

With 27.548% of eligible voters pulling the lever for Hillary, it's clear that she has an undisputed mandate over Trump who only drew 27.418% of the eligible vote. That's 0.13% of eligible voters!

Undisputed mandate??

How do you figure seeing as she lost?

 

[Conager]

Whether one has a mandate or not is determined by the likelihood of being reelected if you run roughshod over the other side. In this case Trump can afford to run roughshod. He's got some states to give.

When Republicans were overwhelmingly elected in the midterms throwing out Nancy and Harry they easily had a mandate which they squandered. Have they made Obama veto them 3700 times he likely would have lost to Romney because Romney voters would have been energized. As it is nobody gave a crap because what does it matter you put them in charge they play defense.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

I took "undisputed mandate" as complete sarcasm.

Besides, with the Congress and at least one Supreme Court pick in the next two years, I'm not sure Trump would trade that for any so-called "mandate".

Ages of the current Chief and Associate Justices:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg - 83
Antony Kennedy - 80
Stephen Breyer - 78
Clarence Thomas - 68
Samuel Alito - 66
Sonia Sotomayor - 62
John Roberts - 61
Elena Kagan - 56

I still say Trump should nominate Ted Cruz (45) to the Court, and then have Congress reset the number of seats on the Court to 5: 1 Chief and 4 Associates - getting down to that number by simple attrition: justices either retiring or dying.

If the goal is smaller, more efficient federal government, that'd be a great way to cut almost half the fat off the Supreme Court.

 

[SCcouple1990]

With 27.548% of eligible voters pulling the lever for Hillary, it's clear that she has an undisputed mandate over Trump who only drew 27.418% of the eligible vote. That's 0.13% of eligible voters!


Figures are based on numbers from http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/.

No, she had more votes than Trump and the other candidates. To say she has a mandate over Trump, you would have to know where the other votes would go if it were only the two of them. There is also the possibility of increased or decreased votes if there were only two parties to consider, or if the results were based on popular vote.