Justice League: The New Wave (OOC - Interest Check)

[ChasNicollette]

WheeeeeEEEEEeeeeeee...

Hee!

I'm glad Brag's having fun!

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Sorry for being out of touch for a bit. Been at Mothers with no internet. Will try to catchup and have posts out very soon.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Sorry for being out of touch for a bit. Been at Mothers with no internet. Will try to catchup and have posts out very soon.

No worries, dear!

Flash back as you need to and catch up when you have means, motive, and opportunity.

It's a bated-breath transition at the moment, so a perfect time to reconnect with the sequence of events.

Let me know if you need any more questions answered!

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Well Green would be ready to go. He would have just seen everyone collapse in front of him. I have written a bit for Velocity but as it is Speedsters I think it needs one more as they would be racing all around the place before those two fall over

 

[ChasNicollette]

Well Green would be ready to go. He would have just seen everyone collapse in front of him. I have written a bit for Velocity but as it is Speedsters I think it needs one more as they would be racing all around the place before those two fall over

Makes sense.

Shouldn't take too much longer to wrap this up, though.

 

[ChasNicollette]

My suggestion would be to have Velocity exit stage left back down to The Loop and by the time they get down there I'll have them experience Raven's merciful narcolepsy.

Any variation on that theme would set things up nicely.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

sounds good to me.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Gee Chas did you just go and pick every big name villain you could think of.

Let me see if I can get them right.

Doc Doom
Dark Phoenix
Magneto
Spiderman/Dr Octopus
Namorita
Morpheous(or part there of as introduced)
Sabertooth (Maybe cross wolverine but I don't know. Haven't seen what they have done to him lately)
and Arcade.

Oh this is going to so much fun

 

[ChasNicollette]

Gee Chas did you just go and pick every big name villain you could think of.

Let me see if I can get them right.

Doc Doom
Dark Phoenix
Magneto
Spiderman/Dr Octopus
Namorita
Morpheous(or part there of as introduced)
Sabertooth (Maybe cross wolverine but I don't know. Haven't seen what they have done to him lately)
and Arcade.

Oh this is going to so much fun

Yes... and no. ;D

I'm going to let things unfold further in the thread before I explain more here.

And, yeah, good guesses on all but one: technically that's Namora. Namorita is bluer and cuter and generally nicer.

Also my usual grumbles about Spider-Man having a hyphen, and Sabretooth being spelled Canadian, but that's just me being ridiculous me.

 

[Wyldfire]

Yes... and no. ;D

I'm going to let things unfold further in the thread before I explain more here.

And, yeah, good guesses on all but one: technically that's Namora. Namorita is bluer and cuter and generally nicer.

Also my usual grumbles about Spider-Man having a hyphen, and Sabretooth being spelled Canadian, but that's just me being ridiculous me.

Well this might be able to go worse.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Well this might be able to go worse.

:: psychotic giggle ::

 

[LuckyVic]

I must admit I do like that look for Phoenix

 

[ChasNicollette]

I must admit I do like that look for Phoenix

Thank you!

I worked hard to pick bad-ass looks for all of them, but I admit that one is particularly nice.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Sorry I'm posting exposition so frantically!

I'm just excited.

I've been working on The Extremists showing up for months and months, it was one of my first ideas when Var and I took over the thread, at least before Legend left the second time.

Finally seeing them actually appear on the screen, in the text, this is a major keysmash moment for me!

Everyone catch up as you can, I'll try to dial it back.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I first sent a rough rough rough draft of my thoughts about The Extremists to Varshanka and Legend on 5/26/2016.

So almost exactly 10 months to the day.

That's kind of hilarious.

 

[ChasNicollette]

If anyone has any questions about the terminology in Lysl's intel-dump, please let me know.

Otherwise, yeah, let's let people get caught up.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Some headcanons on magic, since this will become relevant enough soon.

Here's how I think magic works on Kryptonians:

A Kryptonian with a funky high from a yellow sun projects a skintight bioelectromagnetic force-aura around themselves that significantly bolsters their invulnerability. Bullets don't even touch them, they just bounce off the forcefield micrometers before impact. Similarly, no matter how sharp or indestructible a blade would be, they wouldn't cut a Kryptonian's skin because, again, they wouldn't even contact the surface of their epidermis, just ping on the skin.

Wolverine, for instance, couldn't gut Superman. He might kick up sparks, but not slash through. Even popping claws in Clark's face wouldn't get him anywhere because they would just impact on that surface forcefield like a bullet would.

However.

In my headcanon, magic directly bypasses this force-aura like it wasn't even there.

This is why, say, Wonder Woman's sword can nick Clark's finger. Or Double Down can carve up Superman's skin with his razor-sharp magic cards.

But beyond that field, Kryptonians are still hella tough, injury resistant, fast-healing. And while magic may somewhat reduce that resistance, it's still a Hell of a fight to put a Kryptonian down.

You would need serious god-level magic to really hurt or kill a Kryptonian with magic. For instance, one non-canon storyline has Superman killed in an instant when Alan Scott's magic Green Lantern battery explodes in his face.

The main takeaway is this: Kryptonians are not more vulnerable to magic than other people-- in fact, significantly less so. They are, however, much more vulnerable to magic than they would be to conventional attacks.

(If a Kryptonian were additionally compromised by red sunlight or especially by dimensionally-appropriate Kryptonite, magic's effectiveness would be compounded.)

As it says in her bio, thanks to her background with the Amazons, Karan has some extra resistance against mystical forces, but major magics (like the stuff Planet-Master hit her with) will still do a number on her.

 

[kizkiz]

Kryptonian are already head and shoulders above any other entity... Do they really need a forcefield too? I mean they can only be weakened by Kryptonite from there specific universe...Red Sun slowly rebuffs them and magic just makes them a few times more powerful than the average bear.

Allowing a Kryptonian to multi-class removes even those scant weaknesses... Dunno. I could never really feel any tension with Superman-types unless they were villians. Then they fall into the "quest based boss" were you need to find a special set of circumstances that can defeat them, which works only when you aren't fighting them over and over again... But that in my mind is the problem with Superman-types as hero's.

So IMHO id push for nerfing them. It's why I find your Superboy really compelling. He's in the same "league" but he has way more weaknesses, constraints, and failings.

Some headcanons on magic, since this will become relevant enough soon.

Here's how I think magic works on Kryptonians:

A Kryptonian with a funky high from a yellow sun projects a skintight bioelectromagnetic force-aura around themselves that significantly bolsters their invulnerability. Bullets don't even touch them, they just bounce off the forcefield micrometers before impact. Similarly, no matter how sharp or indestructible a blade would be, they wouldn't cut a Kryptonian's skin because, again, they wouldn't even contact the surface of their epidermis, just ping on the skin.

Wolverine, for instance, couldn't gut Superman. He might kick up sparks, but not slash through. Even popping claws in Clark's face wouldn't get him anywhere because they would just impact on that surface forcefield like a bullet would.

However.

In my headcanon, magic directly bypasses this force-aura like it wasn't even there.

This is why, say, Wonder Woman's sword can nick Clark's finger. Or Double Down can carve up Superman's skin with his razor-sharp magic cards.

But beyond that field, Kryptonians are still hella tough, injury resistant, fast-healing. And while magic may somewhat reduce that resistance, it's still a Hell of a fight to put a Kryptonian down.

You would need serious god-level magic to really hurt or kill a Kryptonian with magic. For instance, one non-canon storyline has Superman killed in an instant when Alan Scott's magic Green Lantern battery explodes in his face.

The main takeaway is this: Kryptonians are not more vulnerable to magic than other people-- in fact, significantly less so. They are, however, much more vulnerable to magic than they would be to conventional attacks.

(If a Kryptonian were additionally compromised by red sunlight or especially by dimensionally-appropriate Kryptonite, magic's effectiveness would be compounded.)

As it says in her bio, thanks to her background with the Amazons, Karan has some extra resistance against mystical forces, but major magics (like the stuff Planet-Master hit her with) will still do a number on her.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Kryptonian are already head and shoulders above any other entity... Do they really need a forcefield too? I mean they can only be weakened by Kryptonite from there specific universe...Red Sun slowly rebuffs them and magic just makes them a few times more powerful than the average bear.

Allowing a Kryptonian to multi-class removes even those scant weaknesses... Dunno. I could never really feel any tension with Superman-types unless they were villians. Then they fall into the "quest based boss" were you need to find a special set of circumstances that can defeat them, which works only when you aren't fighting them over and over again... But that in my mind is the problem with Superman-types as hero's.

So IMHO id push for nerfing them. It's why I find your Superboy really compelling. He's in the same "league" but he has way more weaknesses, constraints, and failings.

It's not a buff to existing powers, it is part of the existing powerset, and has been from the beginning. It's intrinsic. I myself am not adding more powers to their already redoubtable arsenals, I'm explaining how part of that arsenal works. For my part, I quite enjoy the more concrete explanation for the invulnerability over the more nebulous "molecular density" used to hand-wave so many powers in the past.

The Kryptonian forcefield is canon, at least Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint. I first learned about it myself in "The Death and Life of Superman" by Roger Stern, or in the comics from about that time. This was reinforced by the later volume "The Science of Superman."

Partly, it explains why Superman's uniforms so rarely get damaged, but his capes always burn up-- the skintight outfits are inside his forcefield, but the capes are not.

The reason that the later hybrid clone Superboy (which I have based very closely on the Joe Kelly run of the comic book, again Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint) has a forcefield of his own, albeit made from zero-range telekinesis rather than super-dense bioelectricity, is because Cadmus geneticists couldn't directly replicate Superman's DNA and had to improvise. In order to simulate much of Superman's powers, including the forcefield, they gave Superboy the tactile-telekinesis ability. He can levitate himself for flight, touch objects and lift them for strength, and repulse objects on contact for invulnerability. I also enjoy the fact that he takes a little more punishment than his Kryptonian genetic "father" because of telekinesis' shortcomings, but Superboy has these abilities as a tie-in with and a callback to Superman's pre-existing power structure.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Karan's increased resistance (but not immunity) to magic was part of her bio approved by Legend before I joined the thread as a participant. While I can't say I've done everything exactly as he would have from the beginning, I have tried not to contradict anything already in place when Var and I took over.

(Hence, some of my attempts to later explain things like the prologue, Aquaman's early conversation with Black Manta, and The Flash's appearance in Silver Bullet's post after he should already have been disappeared.)

My rationale for this is pretty simple-- Karan is standing in in our League for both Superman and Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman has no especial vulnerability to magic-- indeed, you'd be hard-pressed to name a kryptonite for her that isn't basically just getting killed by a god. Superman does have something of a vulnerability to magic, he just doesn't burst into flame every time Captain Marvel SHAZAMs next to him. Karan, as a mash-up of the two from a spiritual standpoint, averages their vulnerability levels.

However, it is my solemn duty as moderator to make sure that everyone experiences an appropriate coefficient of risk, which is why I've made sure she's had to fight a Captain Marvel and an evil Captain Marvel knock-off in both events I've run now.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Wyld, at long last we've tagged you in Challengers.

Thank you ever-so-much for your patience. :/

Lunar, we're coming for Buddy next.

Then we'll get Major Girl and we can finish out the arc.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Hey, Vic, Static never showed up to the League Alert, I haven't heard from Wired in weeks and weeks, I'm assuming he's out.

You may need to adjust your match-ups to suit.

 

[LuckyVic]

Hey, Vic, Static never showed up to the League Alert, I haven't heard from Wired in weeks and weeks, I'm assuming he's out.

You may need to adjust your match-ups to suit.

I wasn't sure. I was going to have Braggock join that fight. But was going to wait to call that out for when the fighting actually started. but will change the post to reflect that.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I wasn't sure. I was going to have Braggock join that fight. But was going to wait to call that out for when the fighting actually started. but will change the post to reflect that.

Yeah, no doubt you'll need to call out instructions to both Sandman and Braggock, as neither of them have the smartwatches yet and Braggock is heavily insulated against telepathy, so Rose won't be able to relay it that way.

But in any case, we're currently treating Static as if he just didn't answer the watch when it went off, and if Wired still hasn't come back by the time the Event is over I'll do a thing to write him off of the roster.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Maybe it's just my obsessive brain, maybe it's just the fact that people had IRL stuff over the weekend, but I feel like we've gone a little quieter here over the last couple of days.

If there's no worries, then there's no worries, but.

Just to be on the safe side... to take the initiative in case...

If I've gotten overeager and left people in the dust, I sincerely apologize.

If there's some other fault I've committed, some screwup I've screwed up, please, I'm sorry for that too. Hit me up here or in PMs and let me try and sort it out. I can't fix it if you don't tell me, but please, I want to fix it if I can, so tell me. As always, my inbox is open-- I actually just majorly uncluttered it, so PM away. Please.

If... and this is the thing that's worrying me most... if people are daunted by the current enemy lineup, having kind of a holy-shit-now-what moment and are kind of bluescreening over it-- well, I'm sorry for that, too. But listen.

I do kind of want this to be a kind of threat where most of us stand on the brakes and panic a little. If you're feeling like that, if you're having emotions along those lines, even resentful feelings like "what the fuck Chas, why would you do this to us?" then I encourage you to channel that into your writing, into your characters, give them that reaction gut shot of anger, fear, primal visceral whatever you've got.

But!

I have played out this fight in so many ways in my head over the last almost-year, adapting it to the current roster as that has changed even in the last few weeks, I know you can do it. I believe in you.

Not only are you a huge Justice League with awesome characters, but collectively the IC writers in this family of threads comprise the vast majority of the best writers I've ever worked with. Your characters can do this. You can do this. I know it and I believe in you.

Maybe you'll take some harder hits than before, bring that drama, that's good storytelling, maybe people won't walk away from this without limping, you can still beat this.

Admittedly, it'll be harder to triumph over Dr. Diehard (Magneto) without Static here, but I think I have a pretty decent fallback/callback plan to beat him if you guys don't think of one yourselves.

I love you guys and you all rock my entire sock drawer.