Kink in Mainstream Movies and Shows

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I'm always learning something new on Literotica.

If it's on Lit, it must be true. Unless Millie said, so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There was a series of videos from Russia Porn on the internet in the past, called "Two Crazy Chicks" "Two Crazy Girls," or "Two Crazy Bitches" where two women would gang up on a man, beat the fuck out of him, and fuck them.

I just had to look, and there are a couple of videos on-line that seem to be the ones you are talking about, or are close to them. They look like kidnappings, but the beatings are rather mild compared to the the usual fare in domination-of-males fantasies (most of which I'd guess are created, at least in the video versions, to suit male tastes). In the majority of domintranix videos, the woman never has sex with the male. They often have the student-teacher, boss-employee, wife-husband tropes which are common in such things. I know women on here have writtten fem-dom stories; I just haven't gotten around to reading any of them yet.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yes, there are many featuring light kicks and punches, but there is no real attempt to look authentic in most of them. But at one point, there were some far more graphically violent ones out there. Most of the videos with realistic violence (those that looked real) featured the same pair of a blonde woman and a dark-haired woman. It went under the banner Two Crazy Bitches. They berated the men beat them, and the guys managed to look frightened. The places they hit reddened, eyes were blackened and appeared to get darker as the video progressed. Russia has always had some of the more realistic violent videos out there. Of course, they speak or scream in Russian, and I don't speak or read it, so they might as well be reciting the recipes for desserts, for all I know.

I just had to look, and there are a couple of videos on-line that seem to be the ones you are talking about, or are close to them. They look like kidnappings, but the beatings are rather mild compared to the the usual fare in domination-of-males fantasies (most of which I'd guess are created, at least in the video versions, to suit male tastes). In the majority of domintranix videos, the woman never has sex with the male. They often have the student-teacher, boss-employee, wife-husband tropes which are common in such things. I know women on here have writtten fem-dom stories; I just haven't gotten around to reading any of them yet.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Yes, there are many featuring light kicks and punches, but there is no real attempt to look authentic in most of them. But at one point, there were some far more graphically violent ones out there. Most of the videos with realistic violence (those that looked real) featured the same pair of a blonde woman and a dark-haired woman. It went under the banner Two Crazy Bitches. They berated the men beat them, and the guys managed to look frightened. The places they hit reddened, eyes were blackened and appeared to get darker as the video progressed. Russia has always had some of the more realistic violent videos out there. Of course, they speak or scream in Russian, and I don't speak or read it, so they might as well be reciting the recipes for desserts, for all I know.

And I bet you loved the girls beating the boys. LOL, I've read your Gabriella stories, you love to hurt men in tales, don't you?

 

[MillieDynamite]

No answer is required. The evidence is self-evident.

And I bet you loved the girls beating the boys. LOL, I've read your Gabriella stories, you love to hurt men in tales, don't you?

 

[Bramblethorn]

I find it fascinating the number of non-con writers here who can't handle a film that depicts violent rape graphically, yet they write it themselves. It's the human condition, I guess, plus a bit of, "It's okay, it's only fiction." Which perfectly illustrates that it's never "only fiction".

If I recall, which I may not, Burgess himself was uncomfortable with the film adaptation. I don't have his comments at hand but it may have been partly about the difference between the written word and the visuals.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Back on the original topic: A History of Violence.

As spoiler-free as I can make it: Viggo Mortensen's character is a guy who's trying to lead a quiet small-town life, which is suddenly threatened by... well, a history of violence. His marriage comes under strain as a result, and there's a scene where he and his wife end up having consensual but very rough sex that leaves bruises afterwards. One of those scenes that's kind of a microcosm of the movie, the attempt to reconcile his capacity for savagery with his desire for an ordinary life.

 

[ElectricBlue]

If I recall, which I may not, Burgess himself was uncomfortable with the film adaptation. I don't have his comments at hand but it may have been partly about the difference between the written word and the visuals.

I believe you're right, but it's a bit of a "duh" to me. It makes no sense to compare a film to book or vice-versa, because they're different art forms. It's Iike comparing a cat with a tree.

Stephen King didn't like the Kubrick Shining either, mainly because of the change to the maze. Kubrick kinda shrugged, and I can imagine him saying, well, I can't do topiary and make it convincing.

Copy you on A History of Violence, though. Low key from Cronenberg.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

If I recall, which I may not, Burgess himself was uncomfortable with the film adaptation. I don't have his comments at hand but it may have been partly about the difference between the written word and the visuals.

Burgess was annoyed all his life that he published over 30 books, most of which he considered way better than ACO, but it was the only one remembered even a few years later. That fed into how he felt about the film, I imagine. I've read conflicting stories about the last chapter's removal for American editions and the film and whether he approved, too. Personally I think the original ending is one of the most compelling in all literature - basically Alex saying he's now grown up, that's all. He and his droogs were just normal youths...

And a couple columnists tried to blame the film for certain crimes, in a forerunner of the 80s 'video nasties' panic. Given the combination, stopping the film being seen probably made sense to him. Until it became hot property in the 90s.

Thamesmead where it was filmed has partly been knocked down but much is still standing and is still pretty grim. They've been trying to make it a happening 'new town' for 25 years or more.

It's easier to gloss over gore in a book and avoid gruesome details. Films, much harder, just like films can be much scarier than books, with ominous music and jumpscares and vivid imagery. Or more tragic - like many if my generation I was traumatised by the film of Watership Down, yet a few years later I read the book and enjoyed it, because the death didn't manipulate the heartstrings in the same way.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Burgess was annoyed all his life that he published over 30 books, most of which he considered way better than ACO, but it was the only one remembered even a few years later. That fed into how he felt about the film, I imagine.

If I had a dollar for every time I'd heard an artist lament that kind of outcome...

I've read conflicting stories about the last chapter's removal for American editions and the film and whether he approved, too. Personally I think the original ending is one of the most compelling in all literature - basically Alex saying he's now grown up, that's all. He and his droogs were just normal youths...

Reminds me a little of the protagonist of The Wasp Factory, who looks back on several murders and says something like "I haven't killed anybody for several years and I'm probably not going to do it again". In some ways that strikes me as a more disturbing take; sure, it's nice to think that that kind of pathology might be "curable", but it also brings it closer to the rest of us.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

The sex scene in 'The Thomas Crown Affair' between Pierce Brosnan and Rene Russo was really hot.

 

[SimonDoom]

A great example of somewhat subtle kink in a mainstream movie was the "snails and oysters" scene in Kubrick's 1960's film Spartacus. The scene was cut from the original film but restored when the movie went through a restoration in 1991. In this scene the Roman general, Crassus, is having his bath and tended by his slave, Antoninus. He starts a conversation with Antoninus about whether he likes oysters and snails, and he concludes with the statement "I like oysters and snails." It's a not quite subtle enough way of inviting his slave into a homosexual encounter. For its time it was considered too kinky and it was cut.