"Let it collapse"

It's not my party.

This is a Democrat plan.

It is Democrats who are fighting to keep it.

I find it hard to blame anyone else for this law and the expense it has added to our lives...

Obamacare is a 100% Democrat disaster. It had zero to do with the Heritage foundation as was stated earlier. it had more to do with the failed Hillary Care of the 90s and the Marxist notions of the clueless so common to their party.
 
Obamacare is a 100% Democrat disaster. It had zero to do with the Heritage foundation as was stated earlier. it had more to do with the failed Hillary Care of the 90s and the Marxist notions of the clueless so common to their party.
Obamacare brought medical care to millions of Americans, saving lives and saving families from financial ruin. So fuck Trump, and you.
 
Obamacare is a 100% Democrat disaster. It had zero to do with the Heritage foundation as was stated earlier. it had more to do with the failed Hillary Care of the 90s and the Marxist notions of the clueless so common to their party.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...invented-the-individual-mandate/#85c270f61877


Stuart Butler’s lecture describes what the Heritage’s mandate would look like:

We would include a mandate in our proposal--not a mandate on employers, but a mandate on heads of households--to obtain at least a basic package of health insurance for themselves and their families. That would have to include, by federal law, a catastrophic provision in the form of a stop loss for a family's total health outlays. It would have to include all members of the family, and it might also include certain very specific services, such as preventive care, well baby visits, and other items.
 
Not sure where you're going with this. If Republicans are (whatever form of fucked up) because they are against a health plan that originated in a right wing think tank, are Democrats similarly fucked up because they defend it? Let's not forget that Obama came into office with a huge mandate to make big changes, and the votes on party lines to do it, but instead of proposing a single payer solution, he kept saying that congress should offer him a bill. So he pissed away his political capital and we got a Republican health care plan because Democrats in congress would not go against their sponsors from the insurance industry- although many have said that they would have had no choice if Obama had proposed a single payer bill and demanded that they support it. By the time there was a bill at all, Dems had lost the ability to force a bill through congress on their own.
It seems to me that ACA is a horrible scam, but it is a bi-partisan scam. It was at the beginning and it continues to be. Kind of like all our wars and regime-change plots- it doesn't matter who the president is, or who controls congress, we get a very consistent set of policies, and they aren't the ones that most Americans support.

While I am at it, I won't let this drivel stand either.

http://affordablehealthca.com/timeline-obamacare/
 
Everyone should just get real sick and die. I recommend fast-acting STDs. Then we won't have to debate this 'healthcare' shit any more. Calling Doctor Benway...
 
Desperate to not have to own that failure...I'm sorry.... "admirable job" LMFAO!!!...at healthcare reform hua? :D

Here's newsflash sparky, the republicans own it all. Healthcare, the war against terrorism, the economy, all of it. That's what happens when you have the majority in both houses of congress and a republican president.

There's no one else to blame.
 
Here's newsflash sparky, the republicans own it all.

Check the vote record and executive signature on ACA son, not a single (R) on that fucker. ;)

That is forever the Obama/DNC legacy until they do better and the worst thing that could happen to the (D)'s is to let it keep flailing and the expenses keep rising. So they and their fans are trying to blame ACA on the (R)'s.

The republicans own their failure to do anything about the shit despite it being their primary campaign mantra and primary reason to throw a shit fit for 8 years.

They have to own that they are as full of shit as if not in bed with the (D) they allegedly hated so much. They have to own their bullshitting their voters about what they were going to do for them.

Healthcare, the war against terrorism, the economy, all of it. That's what happens when you have the majority in both houses of congress and a republican president.

There's no one else to blame.

For their actions while in power no doubt.

They didn't do ACA though now did they?
 
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Check the vote record and executive signature on ACA son, not a single (R) on that fucker. ;)

That is forever the Obama/DNC legacy until they do better.

The republicans own their failure to do anything about the shit despite it being their primary campaign mantra and primary reason to throw a shit fit for 8 years.

They have to own that they are as full of shit as if not in bed with the (D) they allegedly hated so much.



For their actions while in power no doubt.

They didn't do ACA though now did they?

There was one Republican that voted for it, actually. And actively working towards it's demise is all on Republicans.
 
Check the vote record and executive signature on ACA son, not a single (R) on that fucker. ;)

That is forever the Obama/DNC legacy until they do better and the worst thing that could happen to the (D)'s is to let it keep flailing and the expenses keep rising. So they and their fans are trying to blame ACA on the (R)'s.

The republicans own their failure to do anything about the shit despite it being their primary campaign mantra and primary reason to throw a shit fit for 8 years.

They have to own that they are as full of shit as if not in bed with the (D) they allegedly hated so much. They have to own their bullshitting their voters about what they were going to do for them.



For their actions while in power no doubt.

They didn't do ACA though now did they?

LOL, it doesn't matter if no republicans voted for it. They now have the power to shit can it and put a better system in place. They failed. Now they own healthcare.

It's a very simple concept. When Obama came into power he inherited wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't (and couldn't) just say, these are Republican wars and I don't own them so I'm just going to let them fail.

It doesn't work that way in government or in business for that matter.
 
Just in case anyone is tempted to take this asshole seriously, a reminder that three months ago he was calling us dumb for failing to see that this was all part of some broader brilliant political strategy, lolol:

seriously? pot?

it is 5 months later...
the reds still have no comprehensive plan to offer (even to themselves)...

they cannot even batter barry on this issue as...
indeed, a faulty aca is preferable to hastily cobbled crap
or nothing at all...

trump still awaits something to sign...
he has made his long play...
and can swat at obama daily as he awaits the... godot(?)
plays right into his campaign wheelhouse...

that the congress was neither prepared
to deliver on their 7 year crusade
nor apparently willing to do the hard work
is not on trump.

the aca lives on - despite its apparent faults
because nothing better has emerged...

the only things that really have changed in the past 5 months
are that the aca looms stronger,
the barry beating on it rings more hollow
and through the process, congress looks even more impotent...

dig up what you wish, pot...
the simple nuance of what i wrote then and write now
is only shaded by time...

asshole? really?

pwnd much?
 
Check the vote record and executive signature on ACA son, not a single (R) on that fucker. ;)

That is forever the Obama/DNC legacy until they do better and the worst thing that could happen to the (D)'s is to let it keep flailing and the expenses keep rising. So they and their fans are trying to blame ACA on the (R)'s.

The republicans own their failure to do anything about the shit despite it being their primary campaign mantra and primary reason to throw a shit fit for 8 years.

They have to own that they are as full of shit as if not in bed with the (D) they allegedly hated so much. They have to own their bullshitting their voters about what they were going to do for them.



For their actions while in power no doubt.

They didn't do ACA though now did they?

The Republicans held the majority of both houses of Congress, and failed to repeal.
The Republicans own health care now.
No amount of spin from you can distract from that.
 
There was one Republican that voted for it, actually. And actively working towards it's demise is all on Republicans.

He switched to the DNC over that, 4 out of the top 5 fact checking sites found on a google search said officially no republicans voted for it.

Shitting on it, sure they own that.

LOL, it doesn't matter if no republicans voted for it.

Until someone alters, shit cans or replaces it, Obama and the (D)'s that voted for it have to own that piece of legislation.

They now have the power to shit can it and put a better system in place. They failed. Now they own healthcare.

They own their inability and unwillingness to follow through on their promises to get rid of Obamacare. They own the fact that they didn't un-fuck it.

They don't own ACA and it's lameness itself.

It's a very simple concept.

I know that's why I'm surprised you're having such a hard time with it.

But then again it's not praising (D)'s and Dear Leader so not really and you'll probably fight it tooth and nail.

When Obama came into power he inherited wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't (and couldn't) just say, these are Republican wars and I don't own them so I'm just going to let them fail.

Uhhh...that's pretty much exactly what he did.

Did you miss where all the military analyst and generals told him if he pulled out it would be a fucking disaster so he just fired everyone until he got himself some yes men and pulled out anyhow?

Then came ISIS....Syria....and a refugee crisis that all those Rethuglican warmonger generals said would happen did??? Any of that ringing a bell???:D

It doesn't work that way in government or in business for that matter.

LMFAO!!! Wow....

Shows how much you know about either of those topics.:rolleyes:
 
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The Republicans held the majority of both houses of Congress, and failed to repeal.
The Republicans own health care now.
No amount of spin from you can distract from that.

They own their failure to act as they said they would and repeal ACA.

That doesn't make ACA the Republicans failure.....that's forever the D's and Obama and will continue to be theirs until the (R)'s either alter, shit can or replace it.

Because as it stands, our current HC system is still ACA, a 100% Democrat system and President Obama's great legislative legacy.

No amount of spin from you can change that. ;)
 
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Obamacare brought medical care to millions of Americans, saving lives and saving families from financial ruin. So fuck Trump, and you.

Nineteen of the 23 co-ops are now bankrupt. Premiums, deductibles and co-pays have been skyrocketing ever since ObamaCare took effect. Doctors by the thousands refuse to accept patients with these policies. Insurers are pulling out of entire markets, leaving millions with only one insurer to choose from, or none at all.
So don't fuck Obama, and you. Why should you guys have any fun?
 
They own their failure to act as they said they would and repeal ACA.

That doesn't make ACA the Republicans failure.....that's forever the D's and Obama and will continue to be theirs until the (R)'s either alter, shit can or replace it.

Because as it stands, our current HC system is still ACA, a 100% Democrat system and President Obama's great legislative legacy.

No amount of spin from you can change that. ;)

Even that's not true. As soon as Ryan stripped funds from the risk corridors they took on some responsibility for the ACA. You can't negatively impact a program and then shrug your shoulders when it doesn't work as well as it did.

No one thinks that the ACA was perfect as you repeatedly have claimed. But after losing the house and senate democrats had little chance of passing anything that would actually fix it and make it better.

So yeah, republicans own it now.
 
He switched to the DNC over that, 4 out of the top 5 fact checking sites found on a google search said officially no republicans voted for it.

Shitting on it, sure they own that.


Until someone alters, shit cans or replaces it, Obama and the (D)'s that voted for it have to own that piece of legislation.



They own their inability and unwillingness to follow through on their promises to get rid of Obamacare. They own the fact that they didn't un-fuck it.

They don't own ACA and it's lameness itself.



I know that's why I'm surprised you're having such a hard time with it.

But then again it's not praising (D)'s and Dear Leader so not really and you'll probably fight it tooth and nail.



Uhhh...that's pretty much exactly what he did.

Did you miss where all the military analyst and generals told him if he pulled out it would be a fucking disaster so he just fired everyone until he got himself some yes men and pulled out anyhow?

Then came ISIS....Syria....and a refugee crisis that all those Rethuglican warmonger generals said would happen did??? Any of that ringing a bell???:D



LMFAO!!! Wow....

Shows how much you know about either of those topics.:rolleyes:

So you think if a company gets a new CEO that he can just say, well that was my predecessor's fault that is an acceptable excuse?

LMAO!! They are responsible for turning it around.

You don't know shit about business dumbass.
 
UnitedHealthcare's stock hit an all time high this week.

And you can bet everyone around Trump owns it.
 
Even that's not true. As soon as Ryan stripped funds from the risk corridors they took on some responsibility for the ACA.

No they didn't. It was put together, passed and executed 100% by (D).

Ryan is responsible for resisting and fighting against ACA tooth and nail, which is what his constituents voted for him to do.

No one thinks that the ACA was perfect as you repeatedly have claimed. But after losing the house and senate democrats had little chance of passing anything that would actually fix it and make it better.

They though and argued it was the greatest thing eva before anyone had even read the fucking thing, held on as long as possible and have been desperate to blame R's for it's failure for some time now.

So yeah, republicans own it now.

Not yet.

Currently they only own their failure to fulfill their mandate.

So you think if a company gets a new CEO that he can just say, well that was my predecessor's fault that is an acceptable excuse?

That's not an excuse, it's a fact.

New CEO is not responsible for the actions of old CEO.

They are responsible for turning it around.

Yes.....and that's not the same as being responsible for ACA itself, no matter how desperately you wish it was.

You don't know shit about business dumbass.

LOL....says the guy who thinks CEO's and Politicians don't just drop their predecessors shit all day every day. :rolleyes:

Besides I own 3 of them and sold off just as many, and you're a socialist who incessantly begs for me to buy himz some free shit. ;)
 
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seriously? pot?

it is 5 months later...
the reds still have no comprehensive plan to offer (even to themselves)...

they cannot even batter barry on this issue as...
indeed, a faulty aca is preferable to hastily cobbled crap
or nothing at all...

trump still awaits something to sign...
he has made his long play...
and can swat at obama daily as he awaits the... godot(?)
plays right into his campaign wheelhouse...

that the congress was neither prepared
to deliver on their 7 year crusade
nor apparently willing to do the hard work
is not on trump.

the aca lives on - despite its apparent faults
because nothing better has emerged...

the only things that really have changed in the past 5 months
are that the aca looms stronger,
the barry beating on it rings more hollow
and through the process, congress looks even more impotent...

dig up what you wish, pot...
the simple nuance of what i wrote then and write now
is only shaded by time...

asshole? really?

pwnd much?

Problems for the red team included that they were convinced that Trump would lose, so why have a serious plan? We must also include that they were limited by the 60-vote rule as to what they could and could not do without being stopped by the blue team. There is also the problem of moderates who want to keep all the goodies of the ACA and the clash between the conservatives who want to take some of that away. There were the red team governors who expanded medicaid in order to get "free" (short-term) government money further limiting the options palatable to everyone. And the one last lingering problem is that there is a large segment of the red team that would rather enjoy seeing Trump wounded, weakened and ready to be primaried in 2020.
 
The result of all this, of course, has been more expensive healthcare that is less competitive, less accessible, more restricted, and more geared toward the benefit of a few large special interests.

None of this is new to the world of Obamacare, and little of the problem will be undone by repealing Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare was really just a doubling down on a broken healthcare system that had been created decades earlier. Obamacare represents more of same, not a break from an imagined "free-market" past.

If repealing Obamacare is really the goal, the GOP should instead focus on repealing and undermining the edifice on which Obamacare was built: the highly regulated, subsidized, and manipulated healthcare markets that dominate today.
Ryan McMaken


https://mises.org/blog/fix-healthcare-we-need-repeal-lot-more-obamacare
 
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