maybe this is an american thing...

[patcat]

Heh, the first thing that came to mind for a response here was "How do you know I'm not your six year old? ", but I decided that would be excessively creepy.

Yet I felt obliged to share.

She might have something very serious to say to you and I don't think she would be happy.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Was she saying that his cock was dirty, or that she assumed it was dirty because it was uncut?

I think that cut cocks are more attractive. We "are" talking about men and not boys, right? A man doesn't have to drop his pants before you can tell if he is unkept or not.

The latter, if I recall correctly. Given what I know of Chris, he's a very clean man in general. I can't picture him letting his dick get dirty. For one thing, he's as anal about germs as I am, probably more than Alex. For another, there are real health issues for a man who doesn't clean under his foreskin.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

For another, there are real health issues for a man who doesn't clean under his foreskin.

That's why I seriously think the "it's dirty" argument is more ignorance than anything else. It's sad that this debate has taken away from the story detail Chrissy is looking for.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

That's why I seriously think the "it's dirty" argument is more ignorance than anything else. It's sad that this debate has taken away from the story detail Chrissy is looking for.

Sadly true. And in that vein, I thought of a Gay Male angle, where two gay men meet and become lovers. One is cut and the other uncut. They compare their experiences and the cut one starts to feel cheated, but his new boyfriend reassures him that he is still very hot.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

That's a nice way to blend the detail into a story.

Like I've already mentioned in this thread, it's a detail I've added in my Debra Braone tale thus far... I can try to mention it more in Ch. 2.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

That's a nice way to blend the detail into a story.

Like I've already mentioned in this thread, it's a detail I've added in my Debra Braone tale thus far... I can try to mention it more in Ch. 2.

Thanks. I thought it might be a good twist on the cut vs. uncut issue, to have two gay lovers compare their experiences and all.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Yes, it's very cool.

 

[Alexandra1979]

My apologies for causing a debate that hijacked this thread.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

You didn't, per se. The same "it's dirty" argument has been said by several so far.

 

[Alexandra1979]

You didn't, per se. The same "it's dirty" argument has been said by several so far.

Ah, okay.

 

[Leatherargento]

No, there isn't

is there really that much difference?

I've had both -- in all three "ports of entry." The only difference is that the uncut guy was always saying, the entire time, "Whoooaaa! I bet you've never done THIS with an UNCUT, NATURAL hombre before!" Maybe it was just popular-in-high-school-and-a-Dominicano machismo, but for crying out loud! It didn't feel different. And it made deep-throating him a Major Pain, because it's hard to keep the teeth off the foreskin and off the glans/head, at the same time. I'm sure the difference is greater to the guy, and unless you want to argue about pre-verbal memories (which I don't believe in, so there's no point), guys don't know which is better unless they've gotten circumcised relatively late in life (like, say, Traditional Muslims, who get circumcised at 13 (In a hospital, under anesthesia, or so I'm told by my Arab friend...))...

Anyway, that's just my story. I don't have an n of 100 yet to verify my findings ;-)

 

[Leatherargento]

MUSLIMS: The only men qualified to debate this!

It is hard for me to picture that the (almost) entirety of England is full of men with cleanliness issues related to their penis. No harder to clean than us women who have folds of skin to clean, just a matter of washing and how we were taught to clean ourselves.

I think the 'cleanliness' idea is something that people pull up when they are in search of justifications for circumcision. It was a gut reaction to make the circumcized penis more appealing, but with anything more than a gut reaction and a few seconds thought, it really doesn't hold water.

Everyone feels how they feel on this, I'm just looking forward to more suggestions on how to incorporate this into an erotic story. Have a great day!

Listen: I'm Jewish, too, and I think it's time we stopped having to resort to all sorts of excuses ("justifications?" Is it something that needs to be "justified," the practice that welcomes a man into Judaism?) for practicing our faith as freely as the rest of the world practices theirs.

The truth is that circumcision of the male has, as near as science ever can show anything, been scientifically shown (you can't "prove" anything scientifically -- science is a philosophy and so not something that has dogmas or partialities or interests -- you can only say that any study or experiment (even in physics or chemistry or, for that matter, frickin' geography) "strongly suggests that ___") to have no real consequences one can readily measure.

This is just studies with Christians and Jews and various other offshoots and rebellions therefrom and thereto, though.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO EVIDENCE ANY CLAIM,
HOWEVER: The only people who can really settle this are strictly traditional Muslim men. They do not choose to have the procedure, and they have it at 13 years onld, so a random 100-1000 of them could totally settle this thing once and for all. So let's pipe down, us Christians, Pagans, atheists and Jews, and hope that the Unheard Third People of the Book will come forward and pipe up!

 

[Tuomas]

Listen: I'm Jewish, too, and I think it's time we stopped having to resort to all sorts of excuses ("justifications?" Is it something that needs to be "justified," the practice that welcomes a man into Judaism?) for practicing our faith as freely as the rest of the world practices theirs.

Exactly.
However, I haven't seen many jews in the debate, probably because they have enough self-confidance to not care. It's mostly the people who have no religious ties that feel they need to "justify" something...

 

[rydia57]

I don't mean this as an insult or anything, but before I started net dating, all I'd seen were uncircumcised penises. I'm an art student and all the male models were uncut. It got so none of the guys I drew had penises. I just plain didn't like looking at them. Then that first date came and I was totally in awe at the difference. Imagine that...

 

[clipper55]

This is one of my biggest fantasies. Letting the wife discover the joy of an uncut lover

 

[BedtimeStories77]

This is one of my biggest fantasies. Letting the wife discover the joy of an uncut lover

So, share with us! What does it for you?

 

[clipper55]

wife with Uncut Lover

Well to answer your question ..... would love for her to explore a "whole" penis and learn to enjoy its "full" qualities, and how he nejoyed them. Then after a few sessions express her passionate preference for the "intact member' and say that's all she wants from now on. This is abbreviated of course but that is the basic story line in my mind.