Mgtow

[beew]

"Stable procreation"? So kids don't deserve or benefit from two parents who love each other and live together?

I understand that some relationships do not work out, but to say marriage is "useless" is wrong.

All these men arguing against marriage.

Other women understand where they're coming from, some of them themselves had hurdles with the personalities that they're weary of.

But I'm with lylalala on that.
It Should all change when a child comes into the picture. There are so many reasons for that, not in the least the fact that kids get bullied in school over these issues.

 

[CandiCame]

All these men arguing against marriage.

Other women understand where they're coming from, some of them themselves had hurdles with the personalities that they're weary of.

But I'm with lylalala on that.
It Should all change when a child comes into the picture. There are so many reasons for that, not in the least the fact that kids get bullied in school over these issues.

You think kids get bullied over their parents not being married?

You must be from a super sheltered community. Here kids have been over it at least since I was in school- the divorce rate in the states is over 50%. If more than half the kids don't have married parents then the bullies have nothing to work with- the biggest kid in the class probably doesn't have married parents. You have to pick what you bully over carefully or you get your ass whooped.

Bullying is related to being "different". So if you have weird interests, or are an ethnic minority. When I was going to school almost all of my bullying was related to racism, my perceived 'goth' style, and people who thought I was somehow responsible for their boners so they had to play smear the queer. I was mostly bullied for being pretty because I didn't cut my hair, in grade school, like when I was REALLY young.

No one really mentions parents. But some kids were embarrassed by their parents, because they were legitimately pieces of shit and would show up to the school high or drunk or fighting and get carted off by the cops. Which is embarrassing. No one bullied them over it, but they didn't have to.

In grade school, one of my classmates got bullied for being fat, and I distinctly remember thinking that was the dumbest fucking thing I had ever seen. I said as much and hung out with him a little bit in G&T classes.

Edit: BTW, the way I was bullied ties back into the toxic masculinity thing. I didn't conform to THEIR culture's idea of masculinity, and they tried to impose it on me- in fucking kindergarten. Looking back, that's really sad. Five year olds who are already indoctrinated that deep. Kids don't know that it's "bad" for a boy to have long hair until an adult tells them.

I think that's changing now, because people are rejecting it- you see stuff like "Man Buns" a lot more now- kids dad's have long hair.

 

[beew]

Why do you have to interject ethnicity or appearance into every issue? It's lame ass manipulation coming from a marriage comitment-phobe.

Yes, kids get bullied over their ethnicity or appearance too, unfortunately.
But one doesn't exclude the other.

I'm just saying. Yes, I'm with you guys when it comes to childless marriages. But once a child comes into the picture, one needs to become self-sacrificing.

 

[CandiCame]

Why do you have to interject ethnicity or appearance into every issue? It's lame ass manipulation coming from a marriage comitment-phobe.

Yes, kids get bullied over their ethnicity or appearance too, unfortunately.
But one doesn't exclude the other.

I'm just saying. Yes, I'm with you guys when it comes to childless marriages. But once a child comes into the picture, one needs to become self-sacrificing.

Which has literally nothing to do with marriage. Marriage has zero effect on a kid. Whether or not your parents are married affects a kid in no way.

Unless you get married and they get to pretend that they're a princess for a day. But they don't want the marriage, they just want the party and a dress.

Kids do not have a concept of complex social structures until they're old enough to not give a shit. You have to remember that the people deciding not to get married WERE kids, who weren't bullied over that because it's a non-issue, and decided that marriage wasn't worth pursuing.

You know, this complete disconnect from reality is why we see articles like, "Why aren't millenials getting married?"

Bitch we don't want to? Why would we?

 

[beew]

You want to have affairs with other people while married?
Fair enough, so marry someone who agrees to an open marriage.
Or if you're worried about being taken advantage of, draw a marriage contract.

But don't geopardise the well-being of your kids for your own needs.

 

[CandiCame]

You want to have affairs with other people while married?
Fair enough, so marry someone who agrees to an open marriage.
Or if you're worried about being taken advantage of, draw a marriage contract.

But don't geopardise the well-being of your kids for your own needs.

It doesn't geo-paradise your kids. There's no reason to think that it would.

Edit: You realize that marriage is an opt-in thing, not an opt-out thing, right? The default state is not being married. You have to GET married. You aren't automatically married when you have a kid. You're asking someone to do something and pretending like it's easy.

Marriage changed your legal status, it does a lot of shit financially and legally that alters your living situation. If you don't want to do that, there's no law saying that you have to. It's not the default position.

And none of those things, like fucking other people or entering into social contracts require a marriage. You're not giving and pro-marriage arguments.

There are valid reasons to get married- all those changes can be beneficial to your situation for a number of reasons. But child-rearing isn't one of them if it's your biological child. It does make things like adoption easier, for example.

But again, it's not the default position, and for a lot of people, it's not only completely unnecessary, but just aggravating. And, again, it doesn't benefit the kids you already have AT ALL.

For example, when I wanted to put Bitesize on my insurance, I wasn't the assumed father, because I wasn't married to her mom. BUT I had signed the birth certificate, and I had had a DNA test done when the state made me pay child support to myself (because that happened. They were literally living with me. That was stupid.) So they put her on there. Because I'm her dad and that's how that works. No marriage required.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But don't geopardise the well-being of your kids for your own needs.

What evidence do you have that a marriage contract is essential to the well being of kids?

Seen LOTS of evidence for having a 2nd and even 3rd parental figure around.

But that can be an uncle, neighbor, coach, grandparent, big brother/sister etc. pretty much any adult who gives a shit enough to commit to helping raise said child....no marriage contract necessary.

 

[beew]

Why don't you guys just marry one of those incel dolls instead?

 

[CandiCame]

Why don't you guys just marry one of those incel dolls instead?

No one likes your antiquated "transferring women as property from dad to husband" ceremony, beew. Get over it.

 

[Saint Peter]

According to the columnist Martin Daubney, members of the MGTOW community believe that legal and romantic entanglements with women fail a cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis.[16]

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Some MGTOW members advocate having sex with prostitutes or using sex dolls.

Run the risk benefit analysis on hiring hookers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why don't you guys just marry one of those incel dolls instead?

What evidence do you have that a marriage contract is essential to the well being of kids?

 

[bellisarius]

What evidence do you have that a marriage contract is essential to the well being of kids?

From my understanding............no kids. They're considered just another club that women use to bludgeon men with. Part of the cost/risk analysis.

 

[Saint Peter]

They are noisy, expensive, smell bad, and suck up all your money.


Get a dog instead.

 

[Que]

No one likes your antiquated "transferring women as property from dad to husband" ceremony, beew. Get over it.

Especially since the bundle of rights to the property no longer transfers.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Making marriage as complex as gender...


lol

 

[bellisarius]

Making marriage as complex as gender...


lol

There's spill-over in other areas too. Some corporate attorney's are advising their clients not to hire women if at all possible. Essentially that advice is based on the same risk/benefit analysis.

Self-inflicted wounds are the hardest to heal.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Two steps forward, one step back.

 

[beew]

No one likes your antiquated "transferring women as property from dad to husband" ceremony, beew. Get over it.

I love how you tried to frame things. lol

Liberal men are the most vocal white-knighting feminists on such Boards.
But when it comes to putting a ring on her finger: "Nope".

 

[bellisarius]

Two steps forward, one step back.

Maybe, and not for a while. The Sociology professors are busily indoctrinating every piece of clay that walks through their door on this radical path. It's even starting to creep over into the hard sciences. I think the road to recovery is going to be long and arduous.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Maybe, and not for a while. The Sociology professors are busily indoctrinating every piece of clay that walks through their door on this radical path. It's even starting to creep over into the hard sciences. I think the road to recovery is going to be long and arduous.

Rome is about to be sacked.

 

[Emerson40]

I love how you tried to frame things. lol

Liberal men are the most vocal white-knighting feminists on such Boards.
But when it comes to putting a ring on her finger: "Nope".

Poor hashie.


Never the bride, always the judgemental attention whore on a message board.

 

[Rightguide]

Rome is about to be sacked.

The barbarians are already at the gates.

 

[CandiCame]

I love how you tried to frame things. lol

Liberal men are the most vocal white-knighting feminists on such Boards.
But when it comes to putting a ring on her finger: "Nope".

Oh, yeah, it's the liberal MEN who don't want to get married- it's not the multitude of studies that young women are looking at that shows that marriage makes them miserable.

Marriage is beneficial for men and AWFUL for women, so more and more people are rejecting it as a concept. There's no way in hell my gf would marry me even if I asked- so I know her well enough not to ask. I did ask, when she was pregnant, because I thought the financial benefits would outweigh the risk, but she didn't want to, for her sanity (which is why I had to pay child support to MYSELF until we could prove some shit to the courts. Thanks, family-first state bullshit. If you'd have signed the paper, baby mama, we wouldn't have had to do that. I'm not bitter about it but we could have gotten a no-fault divorce at literally ANY time and it would have been cheaper than all the fucking government fees- not bitter. It sounds like I am. I'm not. I respect her decision.) Now this obviously wouldn't be for love- there's absolutely no point in marrying for love and pretty much no one does it- when they're surveyed people give answers related TO THE ACTUAL LEGAL CONTRACT- imagine that?? Which is why religion had no place in the conversation. It's ALWAYS been illegal to discriminate based on gender in legal contracts- so if I can have a wife to put on my insurance, claim on my taxes, and get assumed co-parenting responsibilities that would lead to custody arrangements in the event they were necessary- then I can have a husband to do all those things.

Took people a long time to realize that.

Marriage isn't a commitment, which seems to be what you're implying here. Most marriages make it about 4 years before both parties decide to void the contract.

Kids do not care if their parents are married or not. They don't care if their peers' parents are married or not. It is a non-issue.

Women are much more averse to marriage than men. They're happy single, and if they get married, they don't get that happiness back until their husband dies.

Men do a LOT of shitty things- I'm not gonna sit here and say that my gender's not awful- every public bathroom sends me into a RAGE. But this one isn't on us.

 

[CandiCame]

Especially since the bundle of rights to the property no longer transfers.

Yeah, my whole dowery would be paid in mass effect figurines and student debt.

 

[CandiCame]

Yhall wanna know a secret? Like for "full disclosure"?

Gay marriage fucked up my excuse to not get married. I just... don't want to get married, and every so often the bf will be like, "So... gay marriage is legal now..."

And I'll be like, "Read 3:02pm"

And he'll be all, "Candi this is a verbal conversation."