Noticed a nasty trend with the loving wives catagory

[Lifestyle66]

Because maybe splitting the category up to separate the cuckoldry stories from the swinging stories from the violent-cheating stories would increase readership further...? I mean, why change the status quo ever?

Well, ... as I indicated above in a previous post, ... I support the status quo, because I have fun jerking the chains of those LW readers with my stories!!!

Maybe it's because I'm not an overly sensitive whiner who must have only 5-star votes to validate my narrow-minded opinion of myself. Or maybe it's because an offensive anon comment like "EAT SHIT AND DIE!" is merely a handful of words to me and not viewed as an order to actually do it.

I'm having MY version of fun posting in that category. Why do YOU insist on trying to fuck it up?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

In case you failed to read my other posts in this thread, I'll reiterate it here: WHY should the Admins change anything to a category which has INCREASED their readership, merely to appease a few offended authors?

You have missed the point. It is not about a few offended authors. It is about site community. The site has rules for the community. No snuff, they will not foster that here. Absolutely no underage, they will not risk fostering an atmosphere of pedophilia. Yet they are have been complicit in fostering a culture of blatant misogyny in the Loving Wives category. We are talking about blatant misogyny to the point of not even being erotic. There is a significant sub-community in that category that is not there to be aroused in the slightest. They are there to see women get hurt. PERIOD. They are not here for quality prose nor storytelling and they are not here to get off sexually. They are here to see women pay for infidelity in the worst ways. PERIOD. This has absolutely nothing to do with erotica nor with literature - the two tenets of the site. In that sense, this sub-culture does not belong on the site.

Now I'm not for banning any of it. But what I am calling out is the site's double standard for not allowing pedophilia and not allowing snuff and not allowing bestiality, but being perfectly fine with blatant NON-EROTIC misogyny. Have you read some of these stories? I have. Cold, heartless, sociopathic, SEXLESS hate for women, and the crowd that loves these stories and trashes stories that don't follow this code. Why is it here and festering out of control? Because the site has allowed it to. They named the category poorly twenty years ago and have done NOTHING about it since. Good job. Laurel. : /

Again, it's not about the stories. It's about the culture that Laurel has nurtured. Kids and animals are off limits, but defile a woman any way you want, and let misogynistic bullies run the category.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I'm having MY version of fun posting in that category. Why do YOU insist on trying to fuck it up?

And you being in the minority makes your stance even more selfish than his.

But I ask, how would renaming the category "fuck it up" for you?

Furthermore, how would sub-dividing the category "fuck it up" for you?

The crowd will still be there for you to taunt all the same. Just over time it can be contained.

 

[YmaOHyd]

Well, ... as I indicated above in a previous post, ... I support the status quo, because I have fun jerking the chains of those LW readers with my stories!!!

Great! Do you, girl.

Maybe it's because I'm not an overly sensitive whiner who must have only 5-star votes to validate my narrow-minded opinion of myself. Or maybe it's because an offensive anon comment like "EAT SHIT AND DIE!" is merely a handful of words to me and not viewed as an order to actually do it.

I'm having MY version of fun posting in that category. Why do YOU insist on trying to fuck it up?

Two things. The first is: I'm not insisting on anything, and I'm not sure how changing the name of the category to something like 'Infidelity' would ruing your fun. The second is that your version of fun basically just seems like trolling, which is inherently antisocial, hostile behavior. You're perfectly within your rights to post the stories you like as long as they stay within the rules, but other people are perfectly within their rights to express their views too.

 

[Lifestyle66]

And you being in the minority makes your stance even more selfish than his.

But I ask, how would renaming the category "fuck it up" for you?

Furthermore, how would sub-dividing the category "fuck it up" for you?

The crowd will still be there for you to taunt all the same. Just over time it can be contained.

OR ... You might just ignore that category and have your own fun elsewhere.

Have you paid anyone to do that WORK for you?

 

[Voboy]

Okay.

In case you failed to read my other posts in this thread, I'll reiterate it here: WHY should the Admins change anything to a category which has INCREASED their readership, merely to appease a few offended authors?

As authors, YOU can choose to post your stories elsewhere!


DO IT!

What's so hard to understand about that?

...why are you quite so defensive about this? There's no need to be a dick. This is supposedly about helping the OP, not indulging your own particular interests.

I am very clear what your position is. You needn't keep reiterating it, thanks.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

First, the idea that all category hopping stories "should have been placed" in Novellas is absurd. There is no guidance, no rule, no indication anywhere for a writer to come up with that hard and fast rule being suggested by some of you. It's just your opinion, not universally shared, now being proposed to a confused writer as something they should have known all along. Ridiculous.

That is like saying that any print book over 50,000 words must be considered a fiction novel.

The point that I, and believe others, have been trying to make is that a writer should know what genre their whole body of work resonates with the best, and put all the pieces in that category. If they can't settle on one category, then the most respectful thing to do for the readers is to place all the pieces in one of the "catch-all" categories, such as EC or N/N.

As I mentioned earlier, from the threads and posts that I have seen on the subject, category jumping is primarily a byproduct of impatience and a quest for immediate feedback from readers on an incomplete work in progress. Very few completed chapters stories end up in multiple categories because the "big picture" is much clearer at the time of publication.

 

[Lifestyle66]

...why are you quite so defensive about this? There's no need to be a dick. This is supposedly about helping the OP, not indulging your own particular interests.

I am very clear what your position is. You needn't keep reiterating it, thanks.

This site provides us all with a FREE platform on which to post our stories. Some authors even use this free site to prototype their stories before releasing them to commercial sites to earn money.

The site can give us these resources because they make their money selling ad space, whose value is determined by the number of "clicks" on the stories. More clicks means their ads can be priced higher for more income to pay them and keep the site free!

Loving Wives attracts a large audience for their clicks. Like them or not, even the haters provide a value to the site by clicking on the stories and 1-bombing them, then clicking on yet another page to leave a shitty comment! Those "misogynists" are helping YOU to keep this site free!

But some ingrates continue to blast Laurel and the Admins for not doing more to shut out a portion of the readership!

The best advice to the OP and any new author who gets their story bombed in LW is; "Don't go there again!"

 

[YmaOHyd]

As I mentioned earlier, from the threads and posts that I have seen on the subject, category jumping is primarily a byproduct of impatience and a quest for immediate feedback from readers on an incomplete work in progress. Very few completed chapters stories end up in multiple categories because the "big picture" is much clearer at the time of publication.

Alternately, category jumping is primarily a product of placing each chapter into the category that best describes the events of the story, and many -- possibly even most -- of the most successful chapter stories here either jump categories to some degree or exist in trump categories and therefore can't.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Alternately, category jumping is primarily a product of placing each chapter into the category that best describes the events of the story, and many -- possibly even most -- of the most successful chapter stories here either jump categories to some degree or exist in trump categories and therefore can't.

I think that you should check the top stories lists again. In the most read stories list, the first chapter story is at #41 and it is all in one category. The highest rated story list has a chapter story at #1, but again, it is all posted in a single category.

Category jumping might best describe the particular chapter, but the point is that it doesn't best describe the story as a whole, which is its primary disadvantage and why it is an amateurish and inefficient means to publish a complete literary work product.

 

[YmaOHyd]

I think that you should check the top stories lists again. In the most read stories list, the first chapter story is at #41 and it is all in one category. The highest rated story list has a chapter story at #1, but again, it is all posted in a single category.

Category jumping might best describe the particular chapter, but the point is that it doesn't best describe the story as a whole, which is its primary disadvantage and why it is an amateurish and inefficient means to publish a complete literary work product.

I think you should consider comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Trump category stories are usually going to be one category by necessity. Home for Horny Monsters is one of those stories; it's entirely about humans having sex with fantasy creatures. Incest is another trump category, which accounts for your #41. But there's not much point in comparing series to individual stories, especially using the all-time toplists.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

OR ... You might just ignore that category and have your own fun elsewhere.

Have you paid anyone to do that WORK for you?

Okay, now you're just being stupid and deflecting. If you can't answer those simple questions, you have no further argument in this thread.

Loving Wives attracts a large audience for their clicks. Like them or not, even the haters provide a value to the site by clicking on the stories and 1-bombing them, then clicking on yet another page to leave a shitty comment! Those "misogynists" are helping YOU to keep this site free!

More deflecting. The site is not going to lose a ton of money by renaming LW and/or splitting the category into subcamps to isolate the hatred here. But even moreso, if we extend the clicks/money argument then the site should allow bestiality and snuff and pedophilia too to maximize profit and keep the site free but they don't. Why is non-erotic misogyny perfectly okay when these other things are 100% verboten? That makes no sense at all.

 

[Actingup]

I think you should consider comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Trump category stories are usually going to be one category by necessity. Home for Horny Monsters is one of those stories; it's entirely about humans having sex with fantasy creatures. Incest is another trump category, which accounts for your #41. But there's not much point in comparing series to individual stories, especially using the all-time toplists.

If it’s okay, could we have a three year moratorium on the use of ‘Trump category’ as a term?

 

[YmaOHyd]

If it’s okay, could we have a three year moratorium on the use of ‘Trump category’ as a term?

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But where else are we supposed to put stories about someone watching hookers pee on a bed someone else might have had sex on?

 

[Lifestyle66]

Okay, now you're just being stupid and deflecting. If you can't answer those simple questions, you have no further argument in this thread.



More deflecting. The site is not going to lose a ton of money by renaming LW and/or splitting the category into subcamps to isolate the hatred here. But even moreso, if we extend the clicks/money argument then the site should allow bestiality and snuff and pedophilia too to maximize profit and keep the site free but they don't. Why is non-erotic misogyny perfectly okay when these other things are 100% verboten? That makes no sense at all.

Why are you playing stupid?

The bestiality, snuff, and pedophilia run afoul with laws in various states and nations, causing restrictions on the site access from those nations.

As for the hatred and shitty comments in LW, I have more experience reading that crap on mine and other stories in LW. And I KNOW that some of those shitty comments are being posted there by AUTHORS from here in the AH, and they're not doing it because of misogyny or any other noble cause. They merely FAIL to read the whole story or have problems with reading comprehension and miss the details! And some of that shit in LW is from AUTHORS here trolling that category with crap that would be hated in any other category!

I had previously answered your "simple" question by pointing out that it's NOT that simple when I gave as an example my story of a swinger couple with a cheating wife! If you don't like those stories, then go elsewhere and leave that category alone! Why insist on making work for others?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

The bestiality, snuff, and pedophilia run afoul with laws in various states and nations, causing restrictions on the site access from those nations.

So do rape and murder. I think we're done here.

 

[IWroteThis]

So do rape and murder. I think we're done here.

Can you name a single place where not the physical act, but including rape or murder in a story is illegal?

Bestiality, snuff, and pedophilia are different, as they are illegal in both practice and writing in some places.

 

[bmeyem8]

All of my stories (albeit only 11) are in LW. It is a brutal genre, in more ways than one. We all know of the 2 polar opposite factions therein. You can't please one without offending the other. As for the misogyny we could see it as expression(s) from the Manosphere, which is ultra anti-female.
As a writer I myself have posted some vile BTB-ish stories, although in some of them the violence is inflicted on the avenging husband, not the cheater. The BTBers hate me for it. But as for the misogyny, the extreme violence against women, of course in real life I am against it but in fictional stories, in Literotica, different strokes for different folks (pun intended).
(Forgive me, but any day now my story A BTB: Overkill Ending 2 will hopefully escape from Pending Purgatory. Please read it as it addresses husband to female violence. Please read the original https://www.literotica.com/s/03-a-btb-the-best-btb . It caused a mild uproar in comments, thus the upcoming Ending 2. and ending 3)

 

[bmeyem8]

https://www.literotica.com/s/01-a-btb-overkill
I posted the incorrect story link

 

[Voboy]

So do rape and murder. I think we're done here.

This. We've been over this at length in the AH, several times. The ban on things like underage sex has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with Laurel's own proclivities, which is as it should be: it's her site.

She's "leaving money on the table" there, and it doesn't bother her a bit. I have a hard time thinking the site will crash financially if anything is done to mess with the status quo in LW. That simply doesn't make sense.

 

[OddLove]

Loving Wives is a true mind fuck. It's either 'non-erotic rape/torture/torment/abuse' stories or erotic cuckoldry, swinging, and cheating stories. So yeah, it makes sense to just make cuckoldry, swinging, and cheating categories for those people, then start scrubbing the 'non-erotic rape/torture/torment/abuse' stories off the site before the FBI links a mass shooter directly to the subculture of angry bitter incels that's spreading and festering in LW.

 

[Actingup]

Loving Wives is a true mind fuck. It's either 'non-erotic rape/torture/torment/abuse' stories or erotic cuckoldry, swinging, and cheating stories. So yeah, it makes sense to just make cuckoldry, swinging, and cheating categories for those people, then start scrubbing the 'non-erotic rape/torture/torment/abuse' stories off the site before the FBI links a mass shooter directly to the subculture of angry bitter incels that's spreading and festering in LW.

On this topic, I'm going to quote a passage written by @PennyThompson in our joint LW story - yes it received some 'I don't want this pyschobabble' response, but it also got some really positive engagement.

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(scene is between daughter Izzy and her estranged parents, with first person narration from the Mom)

"Mom, I know you're familiar with Immanuel Kant..." Izzy said, turning to me. Oh Goddess, I'm about to be lectured by a First-Year.

"Yes, dear, I know Kant. History's original 40-Year-Old Virgin. Give an upper-middle-class white guy a little education and he decides that he alone knows how the entire universe functions."

"Ad hominem," Izzy shot back, tapping one finger on the crayon pyramid while waving her other hand like she was shooing away a fly. "Address the idea, not the incel. Okay, back to Kant. The Categorical Imperative, 'Act only according to the maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.' You and Dad were trapped in an impossible dilemma, any choice that you made would have caused harm. But by withholding the truth from Dad while he was away, you willed that transparency and honesty should not be a universal law."

Brad nodded thoughtfully. "So it's about consistency of action. Developing a code of honor and sticking to your guns."

It's always about guns, is it Bradley? I thought. But at least he was listening.

I sighed heavily. "Fine, Izzy. What do you think we should have willed as a universal law when our marriage was collapsing around us?"

"Communication. Empathy. Entertaining the possibility of reconciliation and forgiveness."

And I'd been worried about Bradley and guns. Izzy had just shot me down with a Patriot missile.

 

[RetroFan]

There should be a historical category, damnit.

Some authors have actually suggested creating a historical fiction category on Literotica, but I have doubts it would work for a number of reasons.

First would be a possible lack of interest with low readership for the category, and that some stories would automatically default to their trump category. For example a story about a brother and sister having sex in an air raid shelter during The Blitz in World War II England would still go to Taboo Incest not Historical as well it should.

There's also much debate over what actually constitutes historical fiction. I tend to classify it as fiction written about an actual historical event, for example my story 'Take Cover From Tracy' is about the destruction of the Australian city of Darwin by Cyclone Tracy at Christmas 1974 so I would say that story would be historical fiction, whereas if I wrote a story that happened to be set in the mid 1970s would not. But not everyone would agree, and there is also debate about how long ago the setting needs to be before it can be classified historical fiction.

As a hypothetical, a story specifically written about September 11 2001 might be posted as historical, although there would be debate as to whether that is old enough to qualify. However if another author, nostalgic for their college days in the late 1990s and early 2000s wrote and posted a story set at a fictional American college in 2001 it probably wouldn't be classed as historical fiction, although some would argue it was and others that it wasn't.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

(scene ...

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... missile.

That isn't in a story here, is it?

 

[PennyThompson]

That isn't in a story here, is it?

yep, It Just Ain't Going to Happen, Loving Wives, with an H tag, no less