NRA Does Toronto.

[BrightShinyGirl]

So are you're ok for taxpayers paying for giant parking lots on the edge of the city for people who live in the suburbs but work downtown to use? That should be part of your "urban planning" but you probably believe that the suburbs and rural areas should be the ones who pay for it because they're the ones who will use it, right? Except that since it's part of the city, then the city should pay for it. Unless you're going to ring the city with a mountain/wall of concrete parking structures and say they're outside the city limits. At which point you've walled yourself in completely. Not a great idea when you're dependent on those outside the city for the food/water that you need.

The thing is, what you want is great conversation at cocktail parties where everyone tries to outdo each other in being "progressive" and "modern" but, like I said, when the rubber meets reality it's unworkable.

Public funds should not be spent on parking for private vehicles. Let an enterprising entrepreneur buy a lot near the train station and charge what the market will bear to let people park there.

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

states with stricter gun laws have less gun deaths per capita.

derp.

tell that to Chicago and Philadelphia

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

The interesting thing about this type of statement is that it's always the Left who wants to let the violent criminals free to continue to prey upon the rest of society. Then blames peaceful society for the resulting havoc.

And yet they claim we're the crazy ones...

The gun isn't violent it is an imamate object with out a brain, the person with the gun is the violent function.

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

My plumber shows up in a van with hardware in the back. Do many plumbers use private cars where you live? Also I'm not aware of farmers or builders using the backseats of their cars to haul things to and from work sites. I thought they used trucks.

America has too many CARS. Getting private cars off the road reduces traffic and makes it easier for more useful vehicles like trucks, buses, and ambulances to get around.

Obliviously your a city person, try living out in the sticks an hour from a super market
I did this to get away from the smog and traffic. I'll foot the bill to drive an hour to work to get away in the sticks.

 

[schism666]

tell that to Chicago and Philadelphia

neither one of those are states, genius.

 

[jaF0]

Public funds should not be spent on parking for private vehicles. Let an enterprising entrepreneur buy a lot near the train station and charge what the market will bear to let people park there.

Park and ride type lots are common. The point is to keep congestion in more dense areas down by providing a point for remote people to gather and board transit into dense areas. It is believed to reduce wear and tear on roads which are also publicly funded.

But what the fuck does any of your babblerant have to do with a mass shooting in Toronto?

 

[schism666]

tell that to Chicago and Philadelphia

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[BrightShinyGirl]

Park and ride type lots are common. The point is to keep congestion in more dense areas down by providing a point for remote people to gather and board transit into dense areas. It is believed to reduce wear and tear on roads which are also publicly funded.

But what the fuck does any of your babblerant have to do with a mass shooting in Toronto?

Cars kill as many people per year in the United States as guns do. A common tactic of pro-gun people is to point at cars and say “if you’re so concerned about people dying, why don’t you ban cars?”

We shouldn’t ban cars, but we should stop subsidizing them. Stop building public parking lots and widening freeways.

And also ban guns.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Cars kill as many people per year in the United States as guns do. A common tactic of pro-gun people is to point at cars and say “if you’re so concerned about people dying, why don’t you ban cars?”

We shouldn’t ban cars, but we should stop subsidizing them. Stop building public parking lots and widening freeways.

And also ban guns.

Being fat kills more people than guns or cars.

Yet... McDonald's has drive thrus!

I hope your head didn't explode on that tidbit.

 

[jaF0]

Booze shops have drive throughs too.

Never understood that one.

 

[HisArpy]

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Interesting map.

I take it that no one noticed that NM, which is D controlled, is colored red. Or that Lousisana is the same color.

Or that the great bastion of guns and BBQ, Texas, is tan. As are Mi, Wis, Ill, Minn, Or, Wa, etc. These are basically D states with gun control laws yet they fair no better than TX, ND, SD, PA, FL, Ne, and UT. Which, if the map is accurate, means the premise is false.


In the end, the map is propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less, and it doesn't exactly prove the point Gov Nuisance is trying to make unless you do what most D's do - parse data and ignore inconvenient facts.

 

[phrodeau]

Which, if the map is accurate, means the premise is false.


In the end, the map is propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less, and it doesn't exactly prove the point Gov Nuisance is trying to make unless you do what most D's do - parse data and ignore inconvenient facts.

Wow, you’re all over the place here. Is it accurate, factual or propaganda? Or is it only partially factual, based on your feelings?

 

[HisArpy]

Wow, you’re all over the place here. Is it accurate, factual or propaganda? Or is it only partially factual, based on your feelings?

GO.
FUCK.
YOURSELF.

 

[HisArpy]

The UK's, Australia's, and New Zealand's gun bans work very well.

Until you add in the mass shootings at coffee houses. Apparently gun bans don't stop criminals from having guns.

Funny how it always seems to work out that way. Even funnier that the proponents of bans never seem to understand how it always seems to work out that way.

 

[oggbashan]

Until you add in the mass shootings at coffee houses. Apparently gun bans don't stop criminals from having guns.

Funny how it always seems to work out that way. Even funnier that the proponents of bans never seem to understand how it always seems to work out that way.

The gun bans in the UK, Australia and New Zealand DO work.

But such bans would be impossible in the US. The politics are wholly against them.

 

[HisArpy]

The gun bans in the UK, Australia and New Zealand DO work.

But such bans would be impossible in the US. The politics are wholly against them.

Never in history has a ban on ANYTHING ever worked. Smugglers commonly ran banned cargos to hidden coves to avoid being caught with the goods. The costs increased because availability was reduced, but the goods still made it to shore and consumers.

Bans don't work. Never have, never will. Prohibition in the US proved it back in the 20-30's and the recent shooting in the UK have proved it once again today. Denying that simple FACT doesn't change anything.

 

[oggbashan]

Never in history has a ban on ANYTHING ever worked. Smugglers commonly ran banned cargos to hidden coves to avoid being caught with the goods. The costs increased because availability was reduced, but the goods still made it to shore and consumers.

Bans don't work. Never have, never will. Prohibition in the US proved it back in the 20-30's and the recent shooting in the UK have proved it once again today. Denying that simple FACT doesn't change anything.

You are wrong - again. A single shooting in the UK is worldwide news. It wouldn't attract attention if it had happened in Chicago.

The bans I mentioned DO work because the have the support of the electorate. Prohibition didn't work becase a large minority (or even majority) didn't want it to work. The gun bans work because the majority want them to work. That will never happen in the US. Of course criminals will always source guns, but those bans have vastly reduced shooting deaths

 

[schism666]

Interesting map.

I take it that no one noticed that NM, which is D controlled, is colored red. Or that Lousisana is the same color.

Or that the great bastion of guns and BBQ, Texas, is tan. As are Mi, Wis, Ill, Minn, Or, Wa, etc. These are basically D states with gun control laws yet they fair no better than TX, ND, SD, PA, FL, Ne, and UT. Which, if the map is accurate, means the premise is false.


In the end, the map is propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less, and it doesn't exactly prove the point Gov Nuisance is trying to make unless you do what most D's do - parse data and ignore inconvenient facts.

how much carbon have you snorted this morning? holy derp.

 

[HisArpy]

You are wrong - again. A single shooting in the UK is worldwide news. It wouldn't attract attention if it had happened in Chicago.

The bans I mentioned DO work because the have the support of the electorate. Prohibition didn't work becase a large minority (or even majority) didn't want it to work. The gun bans work because the majority want them to work. That will never happen in the US. Of course criminals will always source guns, but those bans have vastly reduced shooting deaths

Are you saying that the worldwide war on drugs was an absolute success?

Because, you know, illegal drug bans. When you're done trying to evade the lies inherent in your words, we can talk about blood diamonds and the bans on them that didn't/don't work.

While we're doing that we can also talk about how you started with gun bans absolutely work and have now walked that back to gun bans kind of work. Sometimes. If you squint and look at them sideways while holding one hand in front of your eyes.

 

[HisArpy]

how much carbon have you snorted this morning? holy derp.

Do you deny that every word of what I posted about the colors and States on that map was 100% correct?

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Rapey is right, there's no gun problem in the US, everything is fine and everyone is safe except kids because they don't carry guns.

 

[Bray123]

The problem is that criminals who want guns can simply drive (or ride a train) to Hill-Billyland and buy themselves a gun. Red states export gun crime to inner-cities, feeding the social issues. Crime being largely a social problem, it would be better addressed by solving urban poverty and life expectations rather than throwing money at for-profit prisons and other organisations that do very well indeed out of a rise in crime.

Wouldn't it be an idea to have policies that benefit drops in crime? MAGAs don't want that. They like to point at a building that tries to keep safe while next door is a gun shop and say that gun-free buildings don't work.

 

[HisArpy]

The problem is that criminals who want guns can simply drive (or ride a train) to Hill-Billyland and buy themselves a gun. Red states export gun crime to inner-cities, feeding the social issues. Crime being largely a social problem, it would be better addressed by solving urban poverty and life expectations rather than throwing money at for-profit prisons and other organisations that do very well indeed out of a rise in crime.

Wouldn't it be an idea to have policies that benefit drops in crime? MAGAs don't want that. They like to point at a building that tries to keep safe while next door is a gun shop and say that gun-free buildings don't work.

Do you realize that even though you're wrong on a lot of facts, this is an admission that gun control doesn't work and won't ever work because those who commit crimes with a gun don't obey the law in the first place?


Setting that aside, what new policies do you propose that will reduce crime? We already have cashless bail and get out of jail free cards, minimal basic income, welfare, child support, and more. Yet crime is still committed by the same people who are recipients of these government programs. What programs do you have in mind to change all of that?

 

[oggbashan]

Are you saying that the worldwide war on drugs was an absolute success?

Because, you know, illegal drug bans. When you're done trying to evade the lies inherent in your words, we can talk about blood diamonds and the bans on them that didn't/don't work.

While we're doing that we can also talk about how you started with gun bans absolutely work and have now walked that back to gun bans kind of work. Sometimes. If you squint and look at them sideways while holding one hand in front of your eyes.

We are arguing about gun bans. You won't accept they they do work in countries where the majority support them.

It is very difficult and expensive for criminals to obtain guns in those three countries and having and/or using a gun attracts severe penalties.

Just look at the statistics for death by guns in those three coutries that now have gun bans - but you won't because you believe gun bans don't work. They do - where they have public support.

And they won't in the US because they don't have public support and while some states might ban, crossing a state line leads to a place where it is much easier to get guns.

The UK, Australia and New Zealand have sea frontiers. For them it is much easier to stop imports of guns.

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

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Like I trust Gavin Nauseum and the MSNBC crowd
Philly and Chicago run the their state's by population unfortunately for the rest of us with morals and common sense.