NRA Does Toronto.

[HisArpy]

You're a fucking liar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/23/business/walmart-guns-firearms.html

Although the chain sells guns at its stores throughout the United States, Walmart has imposed increasingly strict restrictions on firearm sales as mass shootings have continued in the country.

Nov. 2022

Damn, somehow I swapped Walmart with Dick's Sporting Goods. Although in my defense, in 2019 they did stop selling guns/ammo for a short period of time. However - oops, my bad.

 

[HisArpy]

It looks as if HisArpy needs to get out and see for himself. Even I in the UK know that Walmart sells guns.

As for going out in the mean streets? In the 1960s my uncle introduced me to the Kray Brothers, local succesful 'business men'. Even I knew they weren't. The purpose of the introduction was to show that despite my massive build and OHMS briefcase, I wasn't a policeman, just a visiting nephew. My uncle was a street trader, often selling under-the-counter goods. He had been very useful to the family in the days of rationing, being able to obtain things that would otherwise be impossible. But to do that he had to pay the Krays, and would often obtain things from the Krays' associates at discount rates.

The East End in those days was rough. But being known to the Krays meant I was left alone, except for some spotty teenager who tried to hold me up with a knife. After I had beaten him up, some of the Krays' goons went further for trying a robbery without the Krays' permission.

Is this like Brandon's Corn Pop thing where you talk about how bad ass you are to a strawman?

 

[HisArpy]

Walmart sells guns, and it’s easy to dodge background checks and waiting periods.

Here.

In the US.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[oggbashan]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Don't like the truth?

You have been comprehensively trashed so you resort to insults.

Sad asshole.

 

[HisArpy]

Don't like the truth?

You have been comprehensively trashed so you resort to insults.

Sad asshole.

I don't deal with anti-semetic bigots who KNOWINGLY lie in order to justify their anti-semetism and bigotry. The little phuckwad is just such a person.

If you find rubbing shoulders with the likes of those enjoyable and stimulating, then by all means reply only to them and leave me out of whatever drug induced delusion you're having.

Which, come to think about it, may be the reason you continue to hang onto your narrative and keep spinning the hell out of it after it's been proven to be nothing more than the propaganda based bullshit it's always been.

 

[oggbashan]

HisAarpy claimed that gun bans don't work.

He was proved wrong with statistical data so he tried diversion into Prohibition and drug laws.

That didn't work so he claimed gun bans are useless unless they prevent ALL gun crime. That is ridiculous because laws are created to try to stop things but never can do more than reduce the crimes that are committed.

Having lost the arguments he tries attacking everyone who proved him wrong.

Gun bans reduce criminal use of guns, but HisArpy will never admit it so he tries abusing the messengers. Anti-semitism and bigotry have NOTHING to do with proof that HisArpy is deluded.

He is still a sad asshole.

 

[HisArpy]

HisAarpy claimed that gun bans don't work.

He was proved wrong with statistical data so he tried diversion into Prohibition and drug laws.

That didn't work so he claimed gun bans are useless unless they prevent ALL gun crime. That is ridiculous because laws are created to try to stop things but never can do more than reduce the crimes that are comitted.

Having lost the arguments he tries attacking everyone who proved him wrong.

Gun bans reduce criminal use of guns, but HisArpy will never admit it so he tries abusing the messengers. Anti-semistim and bigotry have NOTHING to do with proof that HisArpy is deluded.

He is still a sad asshole.

Lol.

You say bans work while simultaneously saying that they don't really work because they're not intended to STOP gun deaths only reduce them.

I merely pointed out the historical record that bans have never succeeded no matter what product or goods were banned.


But you go on believing that the anti-semetic bigoted phuckwad is a good fellow and that his arguments make sense because you're both cowards and afraid of guns.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Lol.

You say bans work while simultaneously saying that they don't really work because they're not intended to STOP gun deaths only reduce them.

I merely pointed out the historical record that bans have never succeeded no matter what product or goods were banned.


But you go on believing that the anti-semetic bigoted phuckwad is a good fellow and that his arguments make sense because you're both cowards and afraid of guns.

By your terribly flawed attempt at logic, that means every law ever made has failed and is useless - like you.

There's no way that you have a license to practice law.

 

[oggbashan]

The historical record that bans never work? What trash bin did you get that from? Other bans that have worked - poison gas (except Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi), absinthe, DDT etc. You are just deluded.

Look at the records for gun crime in the UK, Australia and New Zealand.

Of course criminals will still try to get around any bans, but gun bans have worked in those three countries. The number of deaths by gun is miniscule compared with the US.

You are just flailing about trying to deny reality.

 

[HisArpy]

The historical record that bans never work? What trash bin did you get that from? Other bans that have worked - poison gas (except Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi), absinthe, DDT etc. You are just deluded.

Look at the records for gun crime in the UK, Australia and New Zealand.

Of course criminals will still try to get around any bans, but gun bans have worked in those three countries. The number of deaths by gun is miniscule compared with the US.

You are just flailing about trying to deny reality.

Yes, the historical record of successful bans is dismal.

Prohibition, illegal drugs, prostitution, the list goes on almost forever if you look. NONE of the bans prevented anyone from doing those things. The bans didn't prevent anyone from getting those things, only drove the use/enjoyment/possession underground.

I also noticed that you mentioned "poison gas" while admitting that despite the "ban" it's still being used. Yeah, that ban didn't work. BTW, did you know that you can still get Absinthe legally in France? So much for that ban too.

Even though your own list of bans is a complete failure, here you are denying the ACTUAL history of bans in order to promote yet another ban. And you're doing it while admitting that the ban you want to impose won't eliminate gun deaths, only "reduce" them.

Tell us, how many "reduced" gun deaths are "acceptable" to you? If the answer is none, then why are you pushing a program which, by your own admission, won't achieve that result?

The answer probably lies somewhere in the realm of your cowardly heart. You see, it doesn't take a brave man to deny others the ability to stand up and fight when the call to arms is made. What it takes is a fool who believes that if he disarms the innocent, outlaws won't take advantage of it.

 

[HisArpy]

By your terribly flawed attempt at logic, that means every law ever made has failed and is useless - like you.

There's no way that you have a license to practice law.

Lol, laws aren't made to ban conduct, only punish the offender. Even at that you'll notice that some will violate the law anyway because they don't believe the law applies to them.

Kind of like those people who still commit murder despite the law saying they can't.

And here you are all set to tell those murderers that they can't kill by using a gun and expecting them to obey the law...

 

[oggbashan]

You are still stupid HisArpy.

Gun restrictions reduce gun crime. They can't prevent every gun crime but they make it far more difficult to obtain and use a gun. That is proven by the reduction in gun crime in those countries that have gun restrictions.

But you are still arguing that because they don't stop EVERY gun crime, they are useless.

They're not useless. You are. You have no logical thinking whatever.

 

[DeluxAuto]

You say bans work while simultaneously saying that they don't really work because they're not intended to STOP gun deaths only reduce them.
I merely pointed out the historical record that bans have never succeeded no matter what product or goods were banned.
But you go on believing that the anti-semetic bigoted phuckwad is a good fellow and that his arguments make sense because you're both cowards and afraid of guns.

What?

 

[oggbashan]

What?

I couldn't understand the relevance of that either or what or whom he was getting at. It seems to be just meaningless ranting.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I couldn't understand the relevance of that either or what or whom he was getting at. It seems to be just meaningless ranting.

He's talking about you but everything about me believing your nonsense is where he got caught lying again.

 

[oggbashan]

He's talking about you but everything about me believing your nonsense is where he got caught lying again.

Me? Anti-semitic? Where did he get that from? More nonsense out of his trash bin I suppose.

Cowards and afraid or guns?

Where did that come from? I have probably handled more guns than he has seen from .177 air rifles through military rifles, sub-machine guns (US, British, German, Italian and Japanese), crewserved machine guns, field artillery and naval ordnance from anti-aircraft Bofors and 4 inch to 15 inch.

Another unbalanced tirade to justify his nonsense. He is just hurling random insults around to cover up his failures.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Don't like the truth?

You have been comprehensively trashed so you resort to insults.

Sad asshole.

I bet he considers himself a writer. lol

 

[oggbashan]

I bet he considers himself a writer. lol

He's a writer of stupid posts. Even you can see through his bluster.

 

[HisArpy]

He's talking about you but everything about me believing your nonsense is where he got caught lying again.

This is where your limited mentality shines brightest because you're incapable of remembering anything except what's right in front of your eyes.

Ogg may be a coward but he's not The Little Phuckwad. That designation is reserved for someone else who can go fuck himself.

Not that you'll understand any of that.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Not that you'll understand any of that.

That's because you derp in riddles because you have nothing factual to back up your nonsense.

 

[HisArpy]

Me? Anti-semitic? Where did he get that from? More nonsense out of his trash bin I suppose.

Cowards and afraid or guns?

Where did that come from? I have probably handled more guns than he has seen from .177 air rifles through military rifles, sub-machine guns (US, British, German, Italian and Japanese), crewserved machine guns, field artillery and naval ordnance from anti-aircraft Bofors and 4 inch to 15 inch.

Another unbalanced tirade to justify his nonsense. He is just hurling random insults around to cover up his failures.

You're a coward. That's not a random insult, it's the truth as I see it because you're afraid of actually debating the issue and instead stick to bullshit propaganda which has been debunked as false.

Just as you didn't know about Absinthe still being available, (in fact it wasn't even banned in several countries like Spain and Portugal) you're wrong about gun bans. Why? Because you only listen to 1 source, the one you agree with, even when it's proven to be irrational.

Bans don't work. You can promulgate a ban, but when it doesn't work what you're left with is trying to figure out how the bad guy managed to get his hands on the banned item(s). Just like in your recent coffee shop shooting.

How did the ban fail to stop that?

Oh I know, apparently gun bans don't stop people from getting guns even though "to ban" means...

prohibition,veto,proscription,embargo,bar,suppression,stoppage,interdict,interdiction
https://wordshake.com/definition/ban

Maybe the reason you're sounding so confused is that "ban" means something else in your version of English?

 

[HisArpy]

That's because you derp in riddles because you have nothing factual to back up your nonsense.

It's not my fault you're almost as smart as a stump, if a stump was capable of posting on Lit.

 

[oggbashan]

You're a coward. That's not a random insult, it's the truth as I see it because you're afraid of actually debating the issue and instead stick to bullshit propaganda which has been debunked as false.

Just as you didn't know about Absinthe still being available, (in fact it wasn't even banned in several countries like Spain and Portugal) you're wrong about gun bans. Why? Because you only listen to 1 source, the one you agree with, even when it's proven to be irrational.

Bans don't work. You can promulgate a ban, but when it doesn't work what you're left with is trying to figure out how the bad guy managed to get his hands on the banned item(s). Just like in your recent coffee shop shooting.

How did the ban fail to stop that?

Oh I know, apparently gun bans don't stop people from getting guns even though "to ban" means...



Maybe the reason you're sounding so confused is that "ban" means something else in your version of English?

I am not afraid of debating this or any issue, but despite your frequent claims I have proved that you arguments are falacious. You lie - frequently. You deny facts. You are still claiming that one incident proves that gun bans don't work. That is just bullshit and denys the purpose of ANY law.

You haven't looked at the effect of gun bans on the reduction of gun crime. You are the COWARD because you daren't look at the truth.

Criminals will always bypass the law. That's why they are criminals. You look at the few UK gun crimes and ignore the elephant in the room - the data on US gun crime. Why? Are you too cowardly to acknowledge you have a problem?

Absinthe was banned in France. It is impossible to get absinthe in France. But I could have mentioned any number of bans - How about fully-automatic weapns? They are banned in the US, but some criminals have them. Does that make the ban useless, or just difficult to avoid?

 

[HisArpy]

I am not afraid of debating this or any issue, but despite your frequent claims I have proved that you arguments are falacious. You lie - frequently. You deny facts. You are still claiming that one incident proves that gun bans don't work. That is just bullshit and denys the purpose of ANY law.

You haven't looked at the effect of gun bans on the reduction of gun crime. You are the COWARD because you daren't look at the truth.

Criminals will always bypass the law. That's why they are criminals. You look at the few UK gun crimes and ignore the elephant in the room - the data on US gun crime. Why? Are you too cowardly to acknowledge you have a problem?

Absinthe was banned in France. It is impossible to get absinthe in France. But I could have mentioned any number of bans - How about fully-automatic weapns? They are banned in the US, but some criminals have them. Does that make the ban useless, or just difficult to avoid?

You're full of shit on just about everything you've posted here.

1 incident isn't what we're talking about. If it were, then I'd agree with you. However, it's not just 1 incident. It's not even 2 or 3 or half a dozen incidents, it's more. So many more that you feel a need to respond to how frequent they are by passing a law which you ADMIT won't work.

Which means that your position is untenable because the basic premise is faulty.

Furthermore, you're flat out wrong when you say that fully automatic weapons are banned here. Full Auto weapons aren't "banned" in the US, anyone can actually buy them legally if they apply for and get the tax stamp. Which costs $200 and requires a background check. Which once again underscores how little you actually know beyond the talking points you use.

The point about absinthe only illustrates once again that you're out of touch and don't know what you're taking about while you repeat the bullshit you've been fed. You live a lot closer to France than I do and yet you're oblivious to this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/absinthe-legal-france_n_857577


Finally, here's the cute part. You say I lie, and that I do so frequently. Yet in all of the entirety of this subject all I've done is correct the record of misstatements made by you and others. Misstatements you and others continue to make even while knowing that what you say isn't factual.

lie

verb (2)​

1. to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2. to create a false or misleading impression

lie

noun (2)​

1. an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive 2. an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer 3. something that misleads or deceives

Based on the fact that you KNOW that what you say isn't true, and that all I've done is correct you with facts, who's the real liar here?

 

[oggbashan]

Answer me about US gun crime.

Until you do, you are the coward and the liar.

For all the UK cases involving guns, they do not compare with one weekend in Detroit, do they?

We have so few because gun controls work except for drug gangs? You have them too? And far more likely to use guns than anyone in the UK.

I cannot see that real gun controls are ever likely to work in the US because so many people are against them. That doesn't limit their effect in other parts of the world. But you don't believe the data and continue to lie.