Obama's legacy

[AlwaysHungry]

That's funny, because to me the other enduring part of Obama's legacy, other than causing one of the greatest refugee calamities in modern history, will be his tortured interpretation of the constitution, claiming that he has the authority as president to order the assassination of American citizens without due process.

The original Patriot Act did that, long before Obama was elected.

Not true. And as odious as Bush was, he never tried to take presidential authority to such an extreme, possibly because he believed that the Democrats would fight him on it.

 

[phrodeau]

Most likely you are correct. Texas is one of the few states that still tells history like it happened and not like a "politically correct" pact of lies like most of our education system. This also explains why our education system is ranked so low in the world because our education system is being run by corrupt politicians and not people in the education field. I think their teachers still know how to write in long hand and do basic math which most of our schools don't teach any more. I am sure the Texans are happy with your kind words and complement.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/02/high-school-french-teacher-reportedly-doesnt-speak-french.html

Albert Moyer, a French teacher at Houston Independent School District’s Energy Institute High School, is under fire for not actually speaking the language he teaches. Moyer told KHOU his experience includes just a year of high school French.

“It can often become a difficult task to find certified foreign language teachers, in the middle of the academic school year, to fill the needs of the district,” HISD said in a statement to KHOU. “Effective French teachers are especially hard to come by."

 

[RUlookingup]

The Great Divider

 

[AlwaysHungry]

The Great Divider

I disagree, I think. Although the Republicans claim to oppose Obama, he has stolen their policies. They ought to adore him. He has brought the two parties together around wars of aggression and blowjobs for Wall Street.

 

[phrodeau]

I disagree, I think. Although the Republicans claim to oppose Obama, he has stolen their policies. They ought to adore him. He has brought the two parties together around wars of aggression and blowjobs for Wall Street.

Poor GOP. Obama stole their policies and Trump stole their name. There's nothing left.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Libya was a failure. A very much Western effort. Not just Obama. Syria went to hell on it's own. Fueled by Assad's fascist regime and Daesh, born out of Bush's Iraq failure.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Libya was a failure. A very much Western effort. Not just Obama. Syria went to hell on it's own. Fueled by Assad's fascist regime and Daesh, born out of Bush's Iraq failure.

Sorry, but this is crap. Without the meddling by Obama and the UK, the Middle East would be relatively stable. Problematic, but stable, and you would not be seeing a tsunami of desperate refugees, drowning and starving as they flee the chaos which has been imposed upon their nations. Obama provided weapons to the the al-Qaeda affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) through Qatar and the UAE. Once Qaddafi had been assassinated, this same
al-Qaeda-affiliated LIFG network then ran weapons seized from Libyan stockpiles to al-Qaeda and ISIS terrorist organizations in Syria and throughout Africa. The collapse of Libya and Syria was not a "home-grown" catastrophe -- it was the consequence of a deliberate policy that began during the Carter administration, and the more it failed, the more British and American governments increased their commitment to it. They set about to wreck every Arab nation except the one that was actually directly involved in 9/11: Saudi Arabia. And the Saudis and Brits collaborated to create an enormous slush fund, through the al-Yamamah deal, that found its way into the pockets of terrorists all across the globe, including the ones that flew the planes into the World Trade Center. Bush and Obama both deliberately hid the truth about the role of the Saudis, by continuing the treacherous classification of the 28 pages of the 911 Commission Report.

 

[DeYaKen]

Sorry, but this is crap. Without the meddling by Obama and the UK, the Middle East would be relatively stable. Problematic, but stable, and you would not be seeing a tsunami of desperate refugees, drowning and starving as they flee the chaos which has been imposed upon their nations. Obama provided weapons to the the al-Qaeda affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) through Qatar and the UAE. Once Qaddafi had been assassinated, this same
al-Qaeda-affiliated LIFG network then ran weapons seized from Libyan stockpiles to al-Qaeda and ISIS terrorist organizations in Syria and throughout Africa. The collapse of Libya and Syria was not a "home-grown" catastrophe -- it was the consequence of a deliberate policy that began during the Carter administration, and the more it failed, the more British and American governments increased their commitment to it. They set about to wreck every Arab nation except the one that was actually directly involved in 9/11: Saudi Arabia. And the Saudis and Brits collaborated to create an enormous slush fund, through the al-Yamamah deal, that found its way into the pockets of terrorists all across the globe, including the ones that flew the planes into the World Trade Center. Bush and Obama both deliberately hid the truth about the role of the Saudis, by continuing the treacherous classification of the 28 pages of the 911 Commission Report.

When you mention Britain and Syria you are factually incorrect. Britain only intervened in Syria Last year. Until Mr Cameron made that shameful decision we kept well away from the place. You also fail to mention the fact that the USA directly funded and armed al-Quaeda in Afghanistan so that they could kick out the Russians. To say that started during the Carter administration is again incorrect, it started long before that. The USA supported Colonel Nasser in his take over of Egypt back in the 1950s. Only when he started playing the US off against the Russians, did it stop.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Britain only intervened in Syria Last year.

The role of Britain, since the death of FDR, has mainly been to manipulate the US. Tony Blair launched the "regime change" policy in 1999 with his famous "Blair Doctrine" speech in Chicago. Bush and Obama were eager to go to war each time Blair or Cameron proposed it.

The USA supported Colonel Nasser in his take over of Egypt back in the 1950s.

Which was actually the right thing to do. Nasser was no demented religious fundamentalist -- he was a secular, nationalist leader, the kind that the US and UK have been systematically eliminating in the Mideast under the "Blair Doctrine." I think that the last time the US conducted itself in a really honorable way was under Eisenhower during the Suez Crisis (although I was also proud of Bill Clinton for the Oslo Accords. That was his good side shining through, as it occasionally did.)

 

[DeYaKen]

The role of Britain, since the death of FDR, has mainly been to manipulate the US. Tony Blair launched the "regime change" policy in 1999 with his famous "Blair Doctrine" speech in Chicago. Bush and Obama were eager to go to war each time Blair or Cameron proposed it.

So you are saying that an insignificant little island was able to dictate policy to the world's only super power. I don't think so. Blair was known here as Bush's poodle. The Us decided to invade Afganistan, we followed. The US went into Kuwait, we followed. the US wanted to invade Iraq and waited for Blair to lie to parliament so he could follow again.

When the US went into Syria the UK influence was so great that they were forced to rely on "our oldest ally - Obama" France. Their role was to lend an air of respectability to US actions. The British Parliament refused to get involved so France took our role.

Britains influence over US foreign policy is so great that the US invaded British Sovereign territory (Grenada). Ronnie Reagan did not even see fit to tell his great friend, Margaret Thatcher, that he was going to invade that country just because he didn't like the government the people had elected.

If Britains role was to manipulate the US, how the hell did you get involved in Viet Nam? Didn't see any Brits egging you on there did we? Come to that, if we manipulate your government so well how come we couldn't even get you to supply AWACs cover during the Falklands war?

Sorry pal you don't get to excuse yourselves that easy. If the US is the schoolyard bully, Britain is the little weasel following along telling everyone what great mates we are. It doesn't make me proud to say that but it is accepting the world as it is. Even our nuclear deterrent is under the direct control of the US.

Which was actually the right thing to do. Nasser was no demented religious fundamentalist -- he was a secular, nationalist leader, the kind that the US and UK have been systematically eliminating in the Mideast under the "Blair Doctrine."

Nasser was a military dictator and he started a long period of Egypt being run by the military. It became a land where power was seized by assassinating the president. It also was the inspiration for Sadam Hussein who did the same thing in Iraq. I must admit that I am surprised you are proud of that.

Now the last time I was proud of British foreign policy was when they went into Sierra Leonne to sort out the rebels who were killing and maiming civilians for control of the diamond mines. Prior to that, it was their intervention in UAE to prevent it becoming another Saudi Arabia. They backed a bloodless coup in which Zayed replaced his brother as president and made the country into a stable and successful country.

 

[urguyscott]

You pretty much have it ass backwards.

His pro terrorist, anti human rights stand and leadership has turned the world into one great war zone. He is the reason for so many being forced from their homes and countries and for the thousands of deaths including women and children and yes thousand of Muslims, and for people being sold into slavery.

In addition the economy is not better, more companies closing down or moving out of country, he admitted that Obama Care was all lies and has made a mess of health care and he and Clinton ARE the one per centers. You know his wife made a fool of herself and insulted the Muslim religion and people during a funeral in Saudi Arabia and he insulted the Africans and the black race with his behavior at the funeral of the great leader of South Africa. He has no respect for anyone. He and Clinton and Kerry and yes Trump are puppets of Soros.

The leftist/fascists news media and the poor education system of this country under the so called liberal leadership is a failure. They don't even know how to teach hand writing or basic math in school. Texas at least tries to have an honest course book for its various subjects. If you want to see how poorly educated our students have become go to any over price college and ask their students basic history and math questions and get a good laugh at their answers.

That is why Charter and private schools are growing. So I can understand a person who desires to be told what to do and how to live his life and be a good slave for the state, but the rest, the vast majority, prepare an honest education and freedom. Ask Clinton to use her foundation money for the poor and sick instead of her campaign fund and the same with Trump. As for Sanders he is in a fantasy world that never existed.

Get educated. Use the brain God, Mother Nature or the Mother Ship gave you and look at facts, not listen to Joseph Gobbles want a be's on MSNBC or any other false media or school board or reality show freak. (P.S. the media includes FOXX too for they censor their news, not as much, but they still do like the others.)

So yes I will pass on to the Texans that you agree they are different and so much better than most states in their education.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

So you are saying that an insignificant little island was able to dictate policy to the world's only super power.

I said nothing about an island, and I didn't say "dictate"; I said "manipulate." The largest and most brutal empire in recorded history morphed into a privatized, corporate entity which has many addresses, but The City is still corporate HQ.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I said nothing about an island, and I didn't say "dictate"; I said "manipulate." The largest and most brutal empire in recorded history morphed into a privatized, corporate entity which has many addresses, but The City is still corporate HQ.

Largest maybe (Genghis may have been bigger). Most brutal? Not even close. Racist and colonial but hardly the most brutal. Again Genghis may have been the worst. And you need China's population to get staggering numbers of dead. Or the policies of Soviet style Communism.

The British Empire should have given India Dominion status and our greatest black mark is Ireland. That and the beginnings of the slave trade in NA.

Guilty but not of being the most brutal.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Largest maybe (Genghis may have been bigger). Most brutal? Not even close.

Au contraire.

 

[Boxlicker101]

So you are saying that an insignificant little island was able to dictate policy to the world's only super power. I don't think so. Blair was known here as Bush's poodle. The Us decided to invade Afganistan, we followed. The US went into Kuwait, we followed. the US wanted to invade Iraq and waited for Blair to lie to parliament so he could follow again.

When the US went into Syria the UK influence was so great that they were forced to rely on "our oldest ally - Obama" France. Their role was to lend an air of respectability to US actions. The British Parliament refused to get involved so France took our role.

Britains influence over US foreign policy is so great that the US invaded British Sovereign territory (Grenada). Ronnie Reagan did not even see fit to tell his great friend, Margaret Thatcher, that he was going to invade that country just because he didn't like the government the people had elected.

If Britains role was to manipulate the US, how the hell did you get involved in Viet Nam? Didn't see any Brits egging you on there did we? Come to that, if we manipulate your government so well how come we couldn't even get you to supply AWACs cover during the Falklands war?

Sorry pal you don't get to excuse yourselves that easy. If the US is the schoolyard bully, Britain is the little weasel following along telling everyone what great mates we are. It doesn't make me proud to say that but it is accepting the world as it is. Even our nuclear deterrent is under the direct control of the US.



Nasser was a military dictator and he started a long period of Egypt being run by the military. It became a land where power was seized by assassinating the president. It also was the inspiration for Sadam Hussein who did the same thing in Iraq. I must admit that I am surprised you are proud of that.

Now the last time I was proud of British foreign policy was when they went into Sierra Leonne to sort out the rebels who were killing and maiming civilians for control of the diamond mines. Prior to that, it was their intervention in UAE to prevent it becoming another Saudi Arabia. They backed a bloodless coup in which Zayed replaced his brother as president and made the country into a stable and successful country.

I would take strong exception to the part I bolded. What you describe as "The government the people elected" were revolutionaries supported by Cuba and the USSR. The US restored the elected gov.

How do you know whether or not RR told Maggie Thatcher about the plan to restore the elected gov? Were or are you privy to these high level discussions?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Au contraire.

England has a terrible history of genocide:

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/the-irish-genocide/

 

[DeYaKen]

I would take strong exception to the part I bolded. What you describe as "The government the people elected" were revolutionaries supported by Cuba and the USSR. The US restored the elected gov.

How do you know whether or not RR told Maggie Thatcher about the plan to restore the elected gov? Were or are you privy to these high level discussions?

Margaret Thatcher appeared on the steps of No10 in an obvious state of confusion and told reporters that she knew nothing about the invasion. Politicians often lie but that would be the first time one lied to make herself look more out of control than she really was.

As to whether or not the government were revolutionaries, it doesn't matter. They were elected according to the system in that independent country. It had nothing to do with the US. However, Ronnie decided that the people had no right to choose a government that he didn't approve of. Yes after the invasion they elected a different government but the members of the original government were not allowed to stand so the population had no choice but to elect a different government.

 

[sr71plt]

Saying that anything happening in the Caribbean has nothing to do with the United States is forgetting the Monroe Doctrine and the fact that the United States, in fact, is the elephant in that region.

 

[DeYaKen]

I said nothing about an island, and I didn't say "dictate"; I said "manipulate." The largest and most brutal empire in recorded history morphed into a privatized, corporate entity which has many addresses, but The City is still corporate HQ.

Come on stop being a politician. We were not talking about whether Britain has a shameful past. We were talking about whether or not it was Britain that dragged the US into every unsavoury conflict. You asserted that was the case but when I show that to be false you change the subject.

As regards of The City running the show you should talk to Botany Boy, He will tell you who made all the money out of the Iraq war. There certainly were not any British companies involved. Wall Street dwarfs The City and if anyone manipulates the US government it is them.

Britain does have a shameful past and there are plenty of people here who long for the days when we were the global bully. I'd like to say that we have learned from our mistakes but if I'm honest I would have to say the main reason we are less gung ho now is because we can't afford to be.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

We were talking about whether or not it was Britain that dragged the US into every unsavoury conflict.

The history of the United States has been a constant tug-of-war between the supporters of the American Revolution, and those who would have preferred to stay part of the Empire. The last president to really assert a traditional American foreign policy was FDR, who told Churchill to his face that the US would block attempts by the UK to regain its colonies after WWII (I also give Eisenhower credit for standing up to Britain during the Suez Crisis). But after the death of FDR the US regrettably followed Churchill into the Cold War, and when the neo-cons exploited the 9/11 attacks to seize power, the US went firmly into the British camp. It is worth studying the Al-Yamamah Affair in that regard.

Wall Street dwarfs The City and if anyone manipulates the US government it is them.

Sorry, but you are mistaken. Wall Street is a mere suburb of London.

The queen's been a source of inspiration for me like so many people around the world. She is truly one of my favorite people. -- Barack Obama

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, I don't think there's been anyone in the United States who gave a thought to a desire for staying in the British Empire for a couple of hundred years now. That sounds like insular British wishful thinking.

 

[DeYaKen]

The history of the United States has been a constant tug-of-war between the supporters of the American Revolution, and those who would have preferred to stay part of the Empire. The last president to really assert a traditional American foreign policy was FDR, who told Churchill to his face that the US would block attempts by the UK to regain its colonies after WWII (I also give Eisenhower credit for standing up to Britain during the Suez Crisis). But after the death of FDR the US regrettably followed Churchill into the Cold War, and when the neo-cons exploited the 9/11 attacks to seize power, the US went firmly into the British camp. It is worth studying the Al-Yamamah Affair in that regard.


Sorry, but you are mistaken. Wall Street is a mere suburb of London.

So still without a shred of evidence and without answering any of my questions you still insist that the tail is wagging the dog. You poor Americans, constantly being duped into invading countries by those evil British. Are you really so weak willed? So Churchill involved you in the cold war. When the cold war started he wasn't even prime minister. It was your own paranoia that got you into that. Your generals with their domino theory got you all terrified of a red invasion. The same paranoia that keeps you awake at night worrying about what those damned Muslims will do.

Britain has so much influence over America that we need a visa to visit the place and it takes two hours to clear immigration.

To think that we, with our tiny army and strugling economy is telling the world's only super power what to do is laughable. What are we a nation of Jedi Knights? The next thing you'll tell me is that we made you arm Osama Bin Laden and that it was all British weaponry.

Grow up and accept responsibility.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, I don't think there's been anyone in the United States who gave a thought to a desire for staying in the British Empire for a couple of hundred years now. That sounds like insular British wishful thinking.

Don't 'liberals' cite the UK as the reason we should enact numerous socialist policies from gun bans to socializin' HC?

Don't they generally argue for a strong centralized government?

Pander heavily to the elite?

I think most of the 'left' in the US would fucking LOVE to be part of the British empire still.

"every other first world county....blah blah blah.....look at the UK!!"

 

[sr71plt]

Go fish. I didn't even read the post.

 

[RoryN]

He'll be remembered as:

*The guy who preached higher taxes for the wealthy and a raise in the minimum wage, and then left office with Bernie, Hillary & Trump all preaching the same message, and...

*The 2-termer who pissed off Republicans so much that they imploded rather than taking advantage of all the supposed discontent created by "the worst President, ever".