Obama's legacy

[DeYaKen]

Basically, I agree with what you are saying, but Ike was just a high ranking soldier. It was FDR who conceded Soviet dominance of eastern Europe.

True but Ike was the one in all the talks. I don't think he or FDR trusted Churchill. He was too old school and gave the impression of wanting to hold on to the empire.

 

[DeYaKen]

Considering the number of Soviet Divisions in Eastern Europe FDR was just being realistic.

Ah, but at the time. they were not there. The Russians were too busy trying to push the Germans out of their own country. Romania came over to our side, Hungary was in German hands but poorly defended. The idea was to push up from Greece through the Balkans and be knocking on Germany's back door via Austria.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Her are details of what happened at the Yalta Conference: http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/worldwarii/p/yalta.htm

 

[AngelEyes1994]

Obama is the black Jimmy Carter.

I love how people forget that Carter's biggest failure -- gaining the release of the hostages in Iran -- was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a conspiracy between the leaders of Iran and the man who succeeded Carter, Ronald Regan. Reagan, "Papa" Bush, and others worked with the Iranians to cause Carter's downfall in exchange for weapons Iran desperately needed to fight Iraq.

Reagan was a traitor to the hostages, to the American people, and to law and justice; and then when he died, they gave him a royal funeral that was covered live on television.

Seriously?

What does this have to do with Obama? Obama came into office having to fix Baby Bush's problems, which included the continuation of Reagan/Bush deregulation and reversal of Clinton's balanced budget, leading to the Great Recession; and before that, the invasion of Iraq that ultimately led to power vacuums across the Arab world, now responsible for million of dead and displaced persons.

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, yep.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I love how people forget that Carter's biggest failure -- gaining the release of the hostages in Iran -- was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a conspiracy between the leaders of Iran and the man who succeeded Carter, Ronald Regan. Reagan, "Papa" Bush, and others worked with the Iranians to cause Carter's downfall in exchange for weapons Iran desperately needed to fight Iraq.

Reagan was a traitor to the hostages, to the American people, and to law and justice; and then when he died, they gave him a royal funeral that was covered live on television.

Seriously?

What does this have to do with Obama? Obama came into office having to fix Baby Bush's problems, which included the continuation of Reagan/Bush deregulation and reversal of Clinton's balanced budget, leading to the Great Recession; and before that, the invasion of Iraq that ultimately led to power vacuums across the Arab world, now responsible for million of dead and displaced persons.

Do you have any proof of all this?

 

[sr71plt]

Do you have any proof of all this?

Goggle is your friend. And the question is so ridiculous that you should be the one researching it.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Obama came into office having to fix Baby Bush's problems, which included the continuation of Reagan/Bush deregulation and reversal of Clinton's balanced budget, leading to the Great Recession; and before that, the invasion of Iraq that ultimately led to power vacuums across the Arab world, now responsible for million of dead and displaced persons.

Obama came into office having to fix Baby Bush's problems, and instead chose to cling tenaciously to all of Bush's worst policies.

Clinton, who wasn't a bad guy in many respects, did not have a successful economic policy. He was president during the rise of the most recent bubble, and there was a fair amount of tax revenue. Then the bubble burst; Bush and Obama did the worst possible thing, which is to try get new bubbles going.

"...the invasion of Iraq that ultimately led to power vacuums across the Arab world, now responsible for million of dead and displaced persons"? That's a weird way of looking at it. The invasion of Iraq was intended to destroy an Arab nation that was becoming too modern and too independent. It created a disaster for Iraq. But Bush and Obama have both followed a policy of doing that to as many Arab nations as possible, except for Saudi Arabia, which is the British proxy state in the region. It is this insane policy, which is still in force, which is responsible for millions of dead and displaced persons.

 

[sr71plt]

Naw, the economy is self-evidently in a lot better shape now than it was when Obama took office. Who do you think you're fooling (of those who don't want to be fooled by this)?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Naw, the economy is self-evidently in a lot better shape now than it was when Obama took office.

Only for the privileged....

Who do you think you're fooling (of those who don't want to be fooled by this)?

Wake up and get a clue Wall St.

 

[JackLuis]

Ah, but at the time. they were not there. The Russians were too busy trying to push the Germans out of their own country. Romania came over to our side, Hungary was in German hands but poorly defended. The idea was to push up from Greece through the Balkans and be knocking on Germany's back door via Austria.

Oh yes the 'soft underbelly of Europe' as Churchill called it. Except the underbelly of Europe has all those mountains and rivers and it not as easy as the flat lands of northern France, especially for tanks, heavy artillery, and truck mounted infantry. Churchill didn't understand terrain for shit and caused enormous casualties with his 'expeditions', most of which failed and all of which distracted the Germans very little, concerned as they were by Stalin's 390 divisions on the eastern front.

 

[sr71plt]

Only for the privileged....



Wake up and get a clue Wall St.

I'm sorry that you're so unsuccessful in life and need to find someone other than yourself to blame that on. But, no I'm not. You're just a whiner.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm sorry that you're so unsuccessful in life and need to find someone other than yourself to blame that on. But, no I'm not. You're just a whiner.

Your personal insults don't change the fact that for most Americans the economy isn't doing better. Or the odds are my car cost more than your house

The only people Obama has helped have been the elite/super wealthy.

Now I know you love that because you're an elitist and you hate poor folks, especially minorities and women but the villagers are starting to get pissy so you might want to go ahead and enjoy it while it lasts.

I don't think the peasantry will be putting up with it for much longer.

If (R)odham isn't the most noble POTUS America has EVER seen, the DNC is going to fucking implode and they will be right on the heels of the GOP's total melt down.

 

[sr71plt]

Sure, the economy is doing better than it was when Obama took office--all across the board. You personally may not be doing as well, but that's an issue with your own inabilities, not the overall economy. Tough.

Vote the Democrats in and the lower Middle Class (I assume that's where you are) can get improvements--hopefully at the cost to the superrich. It won't happen by you allowing yourself to be bamboozled by Sanders, if he gets voted in, though. There's no one with any power who's going to give him anything he wants. They'd probably allow him to continue naming post offices, though. That's all he's been good for other than being a blowhard like you are so far. What pro-Sanders congressional candidates is he developing and supporting to take over Congress? None that I know of. Who do you think is going to get any of his programs through? Just him alone? No, he would need to bring his supporters into Congress, not just showing up to rallies as naive clappers. He's not doing that. He has developed no base to do that let alone carry the banner of the Democratic Party. He's a pie-in-the-sky outsider. They don't get anything done nationally. Just ask Ralph Nadar about that.

You're really not too bright on how to actually get anything done. Just a whiner and a blowhard.

I can see that "discussion" with you continues to be worthless and just more of your wall-to-wall impotent whining, so off you go to "unread" again. What a loser.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sure, the economy is doing better than it was when Obama took office--all across the board. You personally may not be doing as well, but that's an issue with your own inabilities, not the overall economy. Tough.

No...it's not.

The economy is doing better up top, the lower half of the country is still broke as ever and becoming more so every day.

Wealth continues to concentrate up and Obama has done nothing about it.

Not that you care....being such a big (R)odham supporter I'm sure you're thrilled about it and can't wait till the poor are literally starving in the streets .

But I own bidnizzez and I need these fuckin' people to have some spending money or I'm next. So yea....fuck the super rich they need to come up off some of that guac or shit's going to start getting ugly.

Vote the Democrats in and the lower Middle Class (I assume that's where you are) can get improvements--hopefully at the cost to the superrich. It won't happen by you allowing yourself to be bamboozled by Sanders, if he gets voted in, though.

I'm upper middle class thanks.

And no it won't happen with sanders, I never said it would.

But I know for sure as shit it won't happen with Clinton....she's going to pimp our ass's out wholesale to the highest bidders just like Obama.

There's no one with any power who's going to give him anything he wants. They'd probably allow him to continue naming post offices, though. That's all he's been good for other than being a blowhard like you are so far. What pro-Sanders congressional candidates is he developing and supporting to take over Congress? None that I know of. Who do you think is going to get any of his programs through? Just him alone? No, he would need to bring his supporters into Congress, not just showing up to rallies as naive clappers. He's not doing that. He has developed no base to do that let alone carry the banner of the Democratic Party. He's a pie-in-the-sky outsider. They don't get anything done nationally. Just ask Ralph Nadar about that.

Yea yea, party above all else I know you're a huge fan of that....

Never demand better....just keep voting in the same slime over and over.

I can see that "discussion" with you continues to be worthless and just more of your wall-to-wall impotent whining, so off you go to "unread" again. What a loser.

LOL says Mr. Ad Hominem.

And iggy too....sore SORE loser.

 

[DeYaKen]

Oh yes the 'soft underbelly of Europe' as Churchill called it. Except the underbelly of Europe has all those mountains and rivers and it not as easy as the flat lands of northern France, especially for tanks, heavy artillery, and truck mounted infantry. Churchill didn't understand terrain for shit and caused enormous casualties with his 'expeditions', most of which failed and all of which distracted the Germans very little, concerned as they were by Stalin's 390 divisions on the eastern front.

There is only one main river The Danube. The mountains of which you write are the Carpathians. The passes through the Carpathians were in the hands of our allies, the Romanians. They also had a plentiful supply of petrol. The Romanians actually defended the passes with nothing more than petrol and rifles. Yes as I've already said, Churchill got a lot of things wrong. The Canadian troops who were sent to Dieppe will testify to that. I would not normally be one to defend him but on this occasion, I think you do him a disservice. Given the circumstances, the soft underbelly was viable proposition.

 

[phrodeau]

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The economy is doing better up top, the lower half of the country is still broke as ever and becoming more so every day.

Wealth continues to concentrate up and Obama has done nothing about it.

Republicans control Congress, and that has been what Republicans want. "Trickle down" and "horse and sparrow" are conservative strategies. Do you really think we should put more Republicans in office to fix that?

 

[The_Trouvere]

I hope you're aware Obama had a majority in both houses of Congress for his first two years. Since he lost those majorities, he has been the obstructionist.

Do you have any support for your statement about Limbaugh? I detest the man, but I like the truth. You are quoting him out of context. What he said was something like "If he tries to turn the US into a Socialist nation, I hope he fails.

The mistake Obama made was in not raising taxes on the well to do right after his inauguration, and addressing unemployment. His approval rating was 65% back then. For years public opinion opinion has demonstrated popular support for higher taxes on the rich.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Republicans control Congress, and that has been what Republicans want.

And Obama doesnt' even pretend to fight them. He just signs whatever evil shit they put in front of him.

"Trickle down" and "horse and sparrow" are conservative strategies.

Uh hua...

Do you really think we should put more Republicans in office to fix that?

Do you really think I was suggesting as much?

The mistake Obama made was in not raising taxes on the well to do right after his inauguration, and addressing unemployment. His approval rating was 65% back then. For years public opinion opinion has demonstrated popular support for higher taxes on the rich.

Hose the people who just spent over a BILLION dollars on his campaign? LOL never going to happen.

 

[JackLuis]

There is only one main river The Danube. The mountains of which you write are the Carpathians. The passes through the Carpathians were in the hands of our allies, the Romanians. They also had a plentiful supply of petrol. The Romanians actually defended the passes with nothing more than petrol and rifles. Yes as I've already said, Churchill got a lot of things wrong. The Canadian troops who were sent to Dieppe will testify to that. I would not normally be one to defend him but on this occasion, I think you do him a disservice. Given the circumstances, the soft underbelly was viable proposition.

Tell that to Mark Clark, small rivers of only a couple of meters depth and 100 metes wide are pretty hard for tanks or other vehicles. The Rapido was a bit of a trick to cross. However Churchill was correct in thinking that if he kept the English Army on the periphery of the war the Russians would eventually beat the Germans.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I know enough people who were unemployed when the recession hit to know that the economy is doing better for most of us. Even the stats show nearly all of us are doing better than pre/Early Obama.

We aren't doing better than before this shit started, and the rich did get richer. Both problems that need addressing but lets stop pretending we're in the same place we were before.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know enough people who were unemployed when the recession hit to know that the economy is doing better for most of us. Even the stats show nearly all of us are doing better than pre/Early Obama.

We aren't doing better than before this shit started, and the rich did get richer. Both problems that need addressing but lets stop pretending we're in the same place we were before.

I don't trust whatever stats you're looking at.

More poor people and rich are richer.

That's not doing better, that's spin.

Kinda like ACA = progress.....bull fuckin' shit in EVERY way except 1.

 

[phrodeau]

Let's ask Jen of Florida if poor people are getting poorer, or if they're receiving more welfare and free phones than ever before.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Republicans control Congress

They didn't when Obama took office.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They did however filibuster from day one. We'll see if NEXT congress continues the trend but they blew out the Bush records which in turn were higher than Clinton. I don't know off the top of my head if Clinton was record setting at the time.