Obama's legacy

[AlwaysHungry]

So Churchill involved you in the cold war. When the cold war started he wasn't even prime minister.

I don't really know how to explain this to you, but you know nothing about history. I don't expect you to heed my advice, but you really ought to do just a little minimal study of these topics before posturing about them. The seminal moment in the history of the Cold War was Churchill's speech on March 5, 1946 in Fulton, Missouri, where he coined the expression "Iron Curtain." I hope you find this helpful. I'll put you on "ignore" now.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Go fish. I didn't even read the post.

What a sore loser.....

And you call me bitter HA!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Margaret Thatcher appeared on the steps of No10 in an obvious state of confusion and told reporters that she knew nothing about the invasion. Politicians often lie but that would be the first time one lied to make herself look more out of control than she really was.

As to whether or not the government were revolutionaries, it doesn't matter. They were elected according to the system in that independent country. It had nothing to do with the US. However, Ronnie decided that the people had no right to choose a government that he didn't approve of. Yes after the invasion they elected a different government but the members of the original government were not allowed to stand so the population had no choice but to elect a different government.

Here is a brief history of Granada: http://www.infoplease.com/country/grenada.html

The Cubans were never elected by anybody and were removed by a force led by the US. After the removal of the Cubans, the voters elected a government, which might or might not have include holdovers from before the Cuban invasion. The Cubans had no more business being there than Cromwell had in Ireland or than Hitler had in France.

 

[DeYaKen]

Here is a brief history of Granada: http://www.infoplease.com/country/grenada.html

The Cubans were never elected by anybody and were removed by a force led by the US. After the removal of the Cubans, the voters elected a government, which might or might not have include holdovers from before the Cuban invasion. The Cubans had no more business being there than Cromwell had in Ireland or than Hitler had in France.

If that helps you ease your conscience then believe it. If there was interference in the government of Grenada (Granada is in Spain) the people could have appealed to the British Government. The Island was a British Protectorate. No such request was made. The fact remains the only people to take control of the country by force of arms was the USA. If you have any evidence other than from spurious US websites, I'd like to see it.

What right did you think you had to meddle in the affairs of another country? If Britain elects a leftwing government, will you invade us? Perhaps we'd better stay in the EU.

 

[DeYaKen]

I don't really know how to explain this to you, but you know nothing about history. I don't expect you to heed my advice, but you really ought to do just a little minimal study of these topics before posturing about them. The seminal moment in the history of the Cold War was Churchill's speech on March 5, 1946 in Fulton, Missouri, where he coined the expression "Iron Curtain." I hope you find this helpful. I'll put you on "ignore" now.

]I don't really know how to explain this to you, but you know nothing about history. Winston Churchill lost the election in July1945 and was replaced by Clement Atlee. At the time of his "Iron Curtain" speech, he represented no one but himself. So now it isn't the British government or The City, You are saying that one man with absolutely no power was capable of manipulating your county's foreign policy.

We Brits have a saying, "when you are in a hole stop digging."

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Back on topic: one of the few relatively independent media organizations in the US is the Black Agenda Report, which provides a fairly caustic assessment of the Obama presidency:

Obama apparently wants to commit more destruction than he has already. Turning Libya into an utterly failed state was not enough. That act unleashed ISIS and Boko Haram and a wave of refugees. The coup in Ukraine ignited a civil war. The Syrian government hangs on but at a terrible price. Russia answered the call to help but America doesn’t want that war to end and will continue to use its allies to prevent a cease fire or an end to the conflict altogether.

A lot of damage can be done between now and January 20, 2009. There is no reason to mourn or rejoice Obama’s departure because he will be followed by someone who likes his foreign policy as it is. That person will also like Americans as they are: mostly intelligent but uninformed even if they wish to know what is happening around the world. The expression to do something “like there’s no tomorrow” is poignant. If Obama and company continue down this path, we shall all find out what those words mean.

 

[phrodeau]

Back on topic: one of the few relatively independent media organizations in the US is the Black Agenda Report, which provides a fairly caustic assessment of the Obama presidency:

Might be more influential if she knew what year is was.

 

[urguyscott]

Don't understand what the deal is with Mr. Churchill. He did not create the Communist Imperialist. He was one of if not the greatest leader of the 20th Century and was truthful in his observation of how the Communists imprisoned their colonies in Eastern Europe.

As an enemy of human rights Obama of course could not accept an honest man's statue being in the Oval Office to remind him what a low life he is. So he tried to get rid of it, but the back lash prevented him. Anytime anyone stands up to him he backs away just like all cowards do. But like all two bit dictators he surrounds himself with yes men and mindless fools with no back bone who are both corrupt and incompetent like himself.

Oh, Obama now has a legacy to leave behind. He is a pervert and child molester. He ORDERED all schools to allow drag queens and any pervert that wants to be allowed free access to the children (the law describes them as underage) in their rest rooms, locker rooms and showers. He joins the two Clinton's as a sex freak and pervert. History will long remember all three.

He promised to punish our children by holding back all Federal Aide to education if we do not follow his imperial orders. What a man. But this is a gift to the country if the rest of the states like Texas tell him and his perverts to take their Federal Aide and shove it. Free themselves from the corrupt and criminal acts of Washington and give the education system back to the states where it belongs. Rid of the rules and failures that are a byword of the Washington "core" of education failures.

Actually Obama has never been in charge of anything. He has never been a leader, but controlled by the same bunch of back room corrupt pot heads that picked him as their puppet head. His Department Heads, etc. run him, he does not run them. Of course he thinks he is in charge and opens his big mouth at times when there isn't a speech in front of him to read. Like when he admitted he was a Muslim. The fact is he is neither a Muslim or a Christian or a Black leader. He is a corrupt cultist whose only god is to the Dollar Bill and Fascist Terrorist.

He lied about Obama Care, he lied about Iran and North Korea, he sold out to the Czar of Russia and the Emperors of Imperialist China. He is responsible for the thousands of people (mostly Arabs and Africans and Muslim's, including children who have been executed, in the Middle East), the homeless who have been driven out of their countries, and the selling of slaves (mostly women).

Like Clinton, Kerry, and Soros he wants open borders so floods of people who do not desire to become citizens of the country they pour into, but to be used as slave labor to ruin the economy of countries and to cause unrest and unlawful behavior. The reason is simple. With a one world leadership of the ultra rich class and all others being slaves and serfs and they control the money, etc. Remember the Masters of the slave plantations promised the same "free" things to their slaves. They just had to give up their freedom and souls. They weren't allowed an education (see our system and the communists and Nazi education system) and only the elite families of the party are allowed such "free" things while everyone else is kept from education and religion. Those are the two most dangerous things that all Kings fear.

The world needs more men like Churchill and no more Hitlers, Stalins, Obamas, Clintons, Trumps, etc.

 

[Boxlicker101]

]I don't really know how to explain this to you, but you know nothing about history. Winston Churchill lost the election in July1945 and was replaced by Clement Atlee. At the time of his "Iron Curtain" speech, he represented no one but himself. So now it isn't the British government or The City, You are saying that one man with absolutely no power was capable of manipulating your county's foreign policy.

We Brits have a saying, "when you are in a hole stop digging."

Wasn't he also a MP and "The Leader of the Opposition" at the time?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Wasn't he also a MP and "The Leader of the Opposition" at the time?

It doesn't really matter. Both Britain and the US nowadays have a political system where the people who call the shots don't necessarily hold elective office, and vice versa. In the UK, it's not the queen who's the figurehead -- it's the parliamentary system.

 

[urguyscott]

Churchill saved England and the world from Hitler and the county voted him out of the office at the end. VOTED. Try that with Stalin. And it doesn't matter if he was holding office or not when he gave the speech. The words were true and history has shown it. That fact that some brain dead English or Americans who only think Reality shows are real and believe the Nazi or Communists lies that still ring out from people who have no respect for human rights can hide their heads in the sand like our President does, but it doesn't change facts. He gave the speech. It was truthful. Russia was and still is an Imperialist country and kept Eastern Europe, parts of Africa, etc. as their colonies, run by people who owed their loyalty not to their people but to the leaders of Russia and China. They were held behind an iron curtain.

But to get back to what history will say about H. Obama. He is going out with a bang as the most low life of any man who has ever held office in this country. His war on children has no parallel. He is the worst school yard bully, threatening the education and safety of our children. Saying that any pervert may say "I am woman" and then be allowed free access to the females rest room, locker rooms and public showers. You can bet he will never allow a naked stranger to shower with his girls. There has never really been any problem with gays or even Drag Queens in the past. But he has caused, due to some perverted sexual desires of his own, to open these places to any one who wishes to go into them. There is no way you can have security nor are there any licenses that a person can carry that says "I believe I am a female and have been all my life." No. He has opened up the dangers of sexual perverts upon the women and children of our country. That is one of the great legacy that Obama and his leftist administration and followers will have.

Another example, among many, is his hate of human rights, his being a racists, selling out the world to terrorist and communists, his sees nothing wrong with women and girls being sold into slavery, and his lost of the war on terrorist has caused tens of thousands to be killed, most of them murdered in cold blood including children, and the tens of thousands who have been forced to leave their homes and countries because of his failures.

He has lied not only to the people, but to his own followers, about Obama care, about Iran and North Korea and North Africa and given aide to Russia and China Imperialists in their conquest. As a follower of Soros and the One World, no borders policy of destroying the economy of the world so that only the extreme elite rich can rule (as they do in the communists countries) he has destroyed our economy and our border security.

There is not one thing about his administration, the people who have or are in it (including Clinton) who anyone can say wasn't corrupt or incompetent or outright criminal. He doesn't believe in the ecology of the world. His so called "Greenness" is like everything else about him, a lie.

His family, like the Clinton's, have grown rich off their stealing while the people have grown poorer.

His legacy will be one word. Liar.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Don't understand what the deal is with Mr. Churchill. He did not create the Communist Imperialist. He was one of if not the greatest leader of the 20th Century and was truthful in his observation of how the Communists imprisoned their colonies in Eastern Europe.

As an enemy of human rights Obama of course could not accept an honest man's statue being in the Oval Office to remind him what a low life he is. So he tried to get rid of it, but the back lash prevented him. Anytime anyone stands up to him he backs away just like all cowards do. But like all two bit dictators he surrounds himself with yes men and mindless fools with no back bone who are both corrupt and incompetent like himself.

Oh, Obama now has a legacy to leave behind. He is a pervert and child molester. He ORDERED all schools to allow drag queens and any pervert that wants to be allowed free access to the children (the law describes them as underage) in their rest rooms, locker rooms and showers. He joins the two Clinton's as a sex freak and pervert. History will long remember all three.

He promised to punish our children by holding back all Federal Aide to education if we do not follow his imperial orders. What a man. But this is a gift to the country if the rest of the states like Texas tell him and his perverts to take their Federal Aide and shove it. Free themselves from the corrupt and criminal acts of Washington and give the education system back to the states where it belongs. Rid of the rules and failures that are a byword of the Washington "core" of education failures.

Actually Obama has never been in charge of anything. He has never been a leader, but controlled by the same bunch of back room corrupt pot heads that picked him as their puppet head. His Department Heads, etc. run him, he does not run them. Of course he thinks he is in charge and opens his big mouth at times when there isn't a speech in front of him to read. Like when he admitted he was a Muslim. The fact is he is neither a Muslim or a Christian or a Black leader. He is a corrupt cultist whose only god is to the Dollar Bill and Fascist Terrorist.

He lied about Obama Care, he lied about Iran and North Korea, he sold out to the Czar of Russia and the Emperors of Imperialist China. He is responsible for the thousands of people (mostly Arabs and Africans and Muslim's, including children who have been executed, in the Middle East), the homeless who have been driven out of their countries, and the selling of slaves (mostly women).

Like Clinton, Kerry, and Soros he wants open borders so floods of people who do not desire to become citizens of the country they pour into, but to be used as slave labor to ruin the economy of countries and to cause unrest and unlawful behavior. The reason is simple. With a one world leadership of the ultra rich class and all others being slaves and serfs and they control the money, etc. Remember the Masters of the slave plantations promised the same "free" things to their slaves. They just had to give up their freedom and souls. They weren't allowed an education (see our system and the communists and Nazi education system) and only the elite families of the party are allowed such "free" things while everyone else is kept from education and religion. Those are the two most dangerous things that all Kings fear.

The world needs more men like Churchill and no more Hitlers, Stalins, Obamas, Clintons, Trumps, etc.

In fact Churchill encouraged Hitler to make problems for the French and Churchill's political opponents in Britain.

 

[Gwanji16]

Churchill saved England and the world from Hitler and the county voted him out of the office at the end. VOTED. Try that with Stalin. And it doesn't matter if he was holding office or not when he gave the speech. The words were true and history has shown it. That fact that some brain dead English or Americans who only think Reality shows are real and believe the Nazi or Communists lies that still ring out from people who have no respect for human rights can hide their heads in the sand like our President does, but it doesn't change facts. He gave the speech. It was truthful. Russia was and still is an Imperialist country and kept Eastern Europe, parts of Africa, etc. as their colonies, run by people who owed their loyalty not to their people but to the leaders of Russia and China. They were held behind an iron curtain.

But to get back to what history will say about H. Obama. He is going out with a bang as the most low life of any man who has ever held office in this country. His war on children has no parallel. He is the worst school yard bully, threatening the education and safety of our children. Saying that any pervert may say "I am woman" and then be allowed free access to the females rest room, locker rooms and public showers. You can bet he will never allow a naked stranger to shower with his girls. There has never really been any problem with gays or even Drag Queens in the past. But he has caused, due to some perverted sexual desires of his own, to open these places to any one who wishes to go into them. There is no way you can have security nor are there any licenses that a person can carry that says "I believe I am a female and have been all my life." No. He has opened up the dangers of sexual perverts upon the women and children of our country. That is one of the great legacy that Obama and his leftist administration and followers will have.

Another example, among many, is his hate of human rights, his being a racists, selling out the world to terrorist and communists, his sees nothing wrong with women and girls being sold into slavery, and his lost of the war on terrorist has caused tens of thousands to be killed, most of them murdered in cold blood including children, and the tens of thousands who have been forced to leave their homes and countries because of his failures.

He has lied not only to the people, but to his own followers, about Obama care, about Iran and North Korea and North Africa and given aide to Russia and China Imperialists in their conquest. As a follower of Soros and the One World, no borders policy of destroying the economy of the world so that only the extreme elite rich can rule (as they do in the communists countries) he has destroyed our economy and our border security.

There is not one thing about his administration, the people who have or are in it (including Clinton) who anyone can say wasn't corrupt or incompetent or outright criminal. He doesn't believe in the ecology of the world. His so called "Greenness" is like everything else about him, a lie.

His family, like the Clinton's, have grown rich off their stealing while the people have grown poorer.

His legacy will be one word. Liar.

You get almost nothing right in this post, Mr. Scott, so I won't even waste the time demolishing it line by line. Your bigotry (H. Obama? Really?) speaks volumes and informs your world view.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

obama taught America that welfare is good

obama showed America he has big pussy lips and a small clit

 

[The_Trouvere]

I think that many people who voted for Obama felt strongly that there would be an important symbolism in having, for the first time, elected an African-American to the presidency. I think they were wrong. I think that the end result is much more along the lines of what Wanda Sykes said, that if he screws up, he will be remembered as America's first half-white president.

Obama has done nothing for people of color. The two Wall Street stooges whom he nominated for the post of Attorney General were nominally black, but then, so were Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice.

For humanity at large and for future historians, Obama will be remembered as the president who finished the job of destroying the Middle East, which has been a long-term project. It picked up steam under George W. Bush, with the senseless invasion of Iraq.

In 2010 we saw the misnamed "Arab Spring," which policy dunderheads in Washington hoped would be an opportunity to re-shape the political landscape of the region, much as the British and French did with the Sykes-Picot Agreement 100 years ago. Obama hungered for a chance to prove his mettle as a British-style imperial overlord, and so he massively escalated the drone terror and the covert ops, spending money like a drunken sailor on quasi-Islamic mercenaries for "regime change" purposes and unleashing chaos in nation after nation. This is Obama's legacy:

AlwaysHungry,

My guess is that you're white, that you never voted for Obama, and that you don't really care whether he helped blacks or not. Am I close?

I am white. I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. I would vote for him again against any Republican primary candidate.

I am disappointed in Obama. The reason I am disappointed is because he has not been able to out think and out maneuver Congressional Republicans. From the day he was inaugurated they have done everything to stand in his way.

When Rush Limbaugh said, "I hope he fails," he meant that he hoped that more Americans would lose their jobs, savings, and homes, and that Obama would be blamed.

 

[RUlookingup]

I disagree, I think. Although the Republicans claim to oppose Obama, he has stolen their policies. They ought to adore him. He has brought the two parties together around wars of aggression and blowjobs for Wall Street.

Okay then....the affirmative action President. That will be his legacy. The one who dismisses Trump as a reality TV star, yet never misses a chance to join Jimmy Kimmel or Bear Grylls. The President who makes the Clintons seem honest.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

There are two principal groups of fools in American politics:

1. Liberal Democrats who think that Obama is a fellow liberal, or even a "progressive", so that they must support him despite the illegal wars, drone killings, and the adoration of Wall Street.

2. Conservative Republicans who think that Obama is a liberal, or even a "progressive" (or a socialist, or a Muslim, or any of the other nonsense), so they must oppose him even though he is implementing all their favorite policies including RomneyCare.

urguyscott doesn't fit into either of those groups. He's in a class by himself.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

This will certainly be part of Obama's legacy. Obama plans to veto a bill which just passed the senate, which will permit the families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks to sue Saudi Arabia for its role in sponsoring the attacks. Bush and Obama have both fought passionately to protect Saudi Arabia from scrutiny, while meanwhile they have systematically attacked every Arab or Muslim nation that didn't sponsor 9/11. Obama is claiming that his veto is based on a defense of the principle of sovereign immunity; however, he enthusiastically supported a virtually identical bill in 2012 that was directed against Iran.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bush-obama_zpse18f0c671.jpg

 

[Boxlicker101]

AlwaysHungry,

My guess is that you're white, that you never voted for Obama, and that you don't really care whether he helped blacks or not. Am I close?

I am white. I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. I would vote for him again against any Republican primary candidate.

I am disappointed in Obama. The reason I am disappointed is because he has not been able to out think and out maneuver Congressional Republicans. From the day he was inaugurated they have done everything to stand in his way.

When Rush Limbaugh said, "I hope he fails," he meant that he hoped that more Americans would lose their jobs, savings, and homes, and that Obama would be blamed.

I hope you're aware Obama had a majority in both houses of Congress for his first two years. Since he lost those majorities, he has been the obstructionist.

Do you have any support for your statement about Limbaugh? I detest the man, but I like the truth. You are quoting him out of context. What he said was something like "If he tries to turn the US into a Socialist nation, I hope he fails.

 

[JackLuis]

This will certainly be part of Obama's legacy. Obama plans to veto a bill which just passed the senate, which will permit the families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks to sue Saudi Arabia for its role in sponsoring the attacks. Bush and Obama have both fought passionately to protect Saudi Arabia from scrutiny, while meanwhile they have systematically attacked every Arab or Muslim nation that didn't sponsor 9/11. Obama is claiming that his veto is based on a defense of the principle of sovereign immunity; however, he enthusiastically supported a virtually identical bill in 2012 that was directed against Iran.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bush-obama_zpse18f0c671.jpg

He know which side the Tubmans are on.

 

[DeYaKen]

Churchill saved England and the world from Hitler and the county voted him out of the office at the end. VOTED. Try that with Stalin. And it doesn't matter if he was holding office or not when he gave the speech. The words were true and history has shown it. That fact that some brain dead English or Americans who only think Reality shows are real and believe the Nazi or Communists lies that still ring out from people who have no respect for human rights can hide their heads in the sand like our President does, but it doesn't change facts. He gave the speech. It was truthful. Russia was and still is an Imperialist country and kept Eastern Europe, parts of Africa, etc. as their colonies, run by people who owed their loyalty not to their people but to the leaders of Russia and China. They were held behind an iron curtain.

The Churchill bit only came about because of Always Hungry's assertion that all Americas problems were brought about by British Manipulation of the US government. In desperation, he claimed that the British dragged the US into the cold war, citing the Iron curtain speech as evidence. I simply pointed out that Churchill did not represent the British Government at that time, so the speech couldn't be interpreted as the UK trying to manipulate the US.

Churchill was right about somethings and totally wrong on others. Had Eisenhower listened to him in 1944 the Iron Curtain may never have existed.

 

[DeYaKen]

It looks like one of the things Obama wanted to leave as a legacy will not come about during his presidency. The French, God bless them, have closed the door on the TTIP trade deal which would, not only have eroded European workers rights but also taken more power away from governments to place it in the hands of large companies.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Churchill bit only came about because of Always Hungry's assertion that all Americas problems were brought about by British Manipulation of the US government. In desperation, he claimed that the British dragged the US into the cold war, citing the Iron curtain speech as evidence. I simply pointed out that Churchill did not represent the British Government at that time, so the speech couldn't be interpreted as the UK trying to manipulate the US.

Churchill was right about somethings and totally wrong on others. Had Eisenhower listened to him in 1944 the Iron Curtain may never have existed.

Basically, I agree with what you are saying, but Ike was just a high ranking soldier. It was FDR who conceded Soviet dominance of eastern Europe.

 

[JackLuis]

Basically, I agree with what you are saying, but Ike was just a high ranking soldier. It was FDR who conceded Soviet dominance of eastern Europe.

Considering the number of Soviet Divisions in Eastern Europe FDR was just being realistic.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Speaking of Eastern Europe, Obama will also be remembered as the president who brought back the Cold War. Despite being a savage doofus, George W. Bush was able to get along reasonably well with Putin. Obama spent $6 Billion to overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine and install a bunch of unrepentant Nazis, in a unsuccessful attempt to dominate Russia.

That brings to mind another aspect of Obama's legacy. In a funny way, his administration is a huge setback for women in politics, because Obama surrounded himself with a coterie of the most vicious, bloodthirsty women ever to serve in a US administration. You have Susan Rice, the Anglophile harpy who destroyed Sudan. Hillary played a similar role in Libya. Samantha Power has revived the concept of the Ugly American as ambassador to the UN. Then you have the curious image of Victoria Nuland, a Jewish woman serving cookies to Nazis as she mid-wifed the coup in Ukraine and installed her personal familiar, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who believes WWII was started when the Russians invaded Germany.