OOC: Star Wars - Episode VIII: The New Threat

[Orlanth]

makes sense to me....so, when do we start? *is anxious for RP*

I can start the new OOC thread for it, and we can finilise ideas there.

Everyone ok with it?

 

[dragonrazor]

you already know my answer

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

sounds like a plan to me

 

[dragonrazor]

at some point, i may try to sketch the Atlantis and the Athalanta, then scan them in

 

[Donsehan]

i'm up for it

 

[Orlanth]

Need PD, QC and Arc to agree now.

 

[Paendragon]

Okay, so ten years prior?

Tynan is Padawan of Skywalker . . . and would be about mid teens somewhere (I realized I never really said his age, just that he was the same age as Raine ). . .

Sounds alright.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

& if I remember I did meet Raine while she was a Padawan. Her master challenged me & I killed him, but spared her, just taking her lightsaber

Um... No. At least if it were mentioned, it was not done with my approval. Raine's master was Marlik, a twi'lek and one of the more powerful Jedi Masters on the Council while D'Rack and Co. were all still united, back before Ep. VII. Before the thread began, he was missing. In Ep. VII, toward the end, Tynan, Raine and Marius faced off with a Sith called Darth Vaine. Vaine was Marlik's new apprentice, only now he's Darth Figgas. He was pretty cnetral to a lot of things that drove Raine's character, including all of her interactions with the eet-do, on Alda, and the connection with the deceased Jedi Master Colme Harringer, whom Vaine and Figgas killed on Alda.

PD, who says we cant change it? It is our thread.

We could make episode 7 20 years after RotJ,

Um... Does that actually make sense. I mean, shouldn't we make at least some effort to preserve continuity. I'm not trying to rock the boat, but what does it matter how long past ROTJ we go? Why only 20, instead of 50? If we stay with 50, it makes sense that we have Jedi who are full grown at the mark of the thread, which only makes sense, when Skywalker hasn't trained all of the Jedi we've already created.

Timeline: If it's going to be that far ahead of our Episode 7, than there might be some problems. D'Rack was 37 in the first thread, so he would be 12. Which would make Tynan, Raine, and just about anyone else a toddler. This is all assuming you goys are right with Episode 7 being 50 years after RotJ (I had thought it was closer to 20 or 30). If we make it a bit closer in time to Episode 7, then the characters would be old enough to be central characters.

This is an excellent point. We did have stories about the two training together. Raine was, I'm almost sure, 34 in the first thread, and in her forties for the second one. Ten or fifteen years would be perfect in my opinion. That would include both Marius and Raine from my part. And that near to Ep. VII, if we chose to, we could begin to precursor whatever it is we decide Skywalker dies from. Again, if we go with 20 years, we're oversuspending disbelief, with Raine being trained by Marlik, who's already a Jedi, when at the time of Vader's death, she's already 14.

Sun Crusher was an experimental ship created by a lost laboratory of the Empire. It fired a magnetic resonance torpedo into a star, causing the star to go supernova. It had a quantum crystallized hull, which protected it both from the plasma and the radiation.

Kyp Durron stole it during the Jedi Academy Trilogy

I have two things to say here. 1) It seems like you've made a fair number of references to the books in your posts, and I just wanna make perfectly clear that we don't follow them. As far as these threads are concerned, they were never written. Only the movies have decided our SW guidelines. We've taken a few things from them, and added them in our own, often very different way, but we don't make a habit of using them for ideas, nor do we feel our plotlines should be expected to answer to anything the books have created. 2) In the first thread, the Sith Order "revealed" itself to the Jedi. That being said, who would the enemy in this one be? No Sith, no Dracuurians (save for Duuraan --sp?). Are we dealing with the leftovers of the Empire?

On top of that, I have a quick proposition to make on this Sun Crusher deal. It seems decided that we don't want them just wandering around, however, the movies did always begin with an action sequence. Perhaps it would make sense to begin the thread on the terms that the jedi have discovered this ship, functional but only half-complete, only building schematics onboard, and have gone to destroy it. We could set it into motion that the commander of the vessel, fearing its destruction, might take it upon him/herself to advance on a sun for the sake of using the weapon, thereby destroying the attacking New Republic forces, while it in and of itself, would be protected by the shield. That being said, the Republic forces could be successful, and the thing used but eliminated. It makes a good start-in, if we do it right.

I'm sure I have more questions, suggestions. Sorry for the post-length.

Q_C

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

Um... No. At least if it were mentioned, it was not done with my approval. Raine's master was Marlik, a twi'lek and one of the more powerful Jedi Masters on the Council while D'Rack and Co. were all still united, back before Ep. VII. Before the thread began, he was missing. In Ep. VII, toward the end, Tynan, Raine and Marius faced off with a Sith called Darth Vaine. Vaine was Marlik's new apprentice, only now he's Darth Figgas. He was pretty cnetral to a lot of things that drove Raine's character, including all of her interactions with the eet-do, on Alda, and the connection with the deceased Jedi Master Colme Harringer, whom Vaine and Figgas killed on Alda.

guess I was thinkin of something/somebody else.

can't think of it now tho
(i'm gettin old dangit!)

 

[dragonrazor]

well, what i remember of the story behind the sun crusher is that it ended up being sent into a black hole, to keep it from being used as a weapon

 

[Quiet_Cool]

well, what i remember of the story behind the sun crusher is that it ended up being sent into a black hole, to keep it from being used as a weapon

On the offchance this statement is related from information in he books:

I have two things to say here. 1) It seems like you've made a fair number of references to the books in your posts, and I just wanna make perfectly clear that we don't follow them. As far as these threads are concerned, they were never written. Only the movies have decided our SW guidelines. We've taken a few things from them, and added them in our own, often very different way, but we don't make a habit of using them for ideas, nor do we feel our plotlines should be expected to answer to anything the books have created.

If we choose to use the Sun Crusher, then basically, unless it is mentioned in the movies and I don't remember it, we use it, however we want. My suggestion was to introduce it as though it never existed, then destroy it.

Q_C

 

[Donsehan]

I don't think using the Sun Crusher is a good idea. It actually is mentioned in the Jedi Academy book series. I just asked out of curiousity, because the Katana Fleet was brought up.

 

[Orlanth]

Ok, we keep the time of 50 years between ROTJ and Ep7, the new thread will like be 15 years befor Ep7

That way, at least some of charchters from Ep7 will be in it.

For the action scene at the start, why not have an Imperial Super Star Destroyer get beaten?

 

[Paendragon]

Well, at least we know Luke isn't going to die in this thread.

Alright . . . so everything remains the same from the previous threads, and this is, let's say, 15 years earlier than Episode VII (which is nice, because Luke is an older, Ben Kenobi-type character in this thread, well he's 59 years old anyway, which means he's not going to go running around the galaxy slaying Sith left handed and blind-folded).

There is one way we could still allow some new 'Sith' characters in this thread. It would be plausible that the Emperor and Vader would have other Force users running around who weren't fully Sith (Abraxas' character already essentially ends the idea of there being only 2 of them). It would be like The Emperor and Vader to have these assasin type Force-users (like Mara Jade for any who've read the books), that they taught just enough to be deadly, but not enough to be a threat. We could even use them to show how some of the Sith we had known from the later series came into being. For example, who trained Darth Moridin, and who turned Marlik (I don't remember what you had put out there about that QC). The only difference is, the Sith we create would basicaly have to be killed by the end of the thread so the Jedi would believe them extinct (I agree with QC on this, BTW . . . I'm a pain in the ass for the sake of continuity).

And if we all stick with this, we can revisit the later series again (I still hate leaving it unfinished).

Re: Sun Crusher. If you want to do an opening sequence, go for it. But otherwise I'd vote to leave it out. But, again, majority rules.



Thoughts?

 

[Orlanth]

I vote no for Sun Crusher. Instead why not have the end of a small battle between Rebels and a renegaade Imperial fleet?

The new republic wasnt founded untill our Ep8 rmember.

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

Well, at least we know Luke isn't going to die in this thread.

Alright . . . so everything remains the same from the previous threads, and this is, let's say, 15 years earlier than Episode VII (which is nice, because Luke is an older, Ben Kenobi-type character in this thread, well he's 59 years old anyway, which means he's not going to go running around the galaxy slaying Sith left handed and blind-folded).

There is one way we could still allow some new 'Sith' characters in this thread. It would be plausible that the Emperor and Vader would have other Force users running around who weren't fully Sith (Abraxas' character already essentially ends the idea of there being only 2 of them). It would be like The Emperor and Vader to have these assasin type Force-users (like Mara Jade for any who've read the books), that they taught just enough to be deadly, but not enough to be a threat. We could even use them to show how some of the Sith we had known from the later series came into being. For example, who trained Darth Moridin, and who turned Marlik (I don't remember what you had put out there about that QC). The only difference is, the Sith we create would basicaly have to be killed by the end of the thread so the Jedi would believe them extinct (I agree with QC on this, BTW . . . I'm a pain in the ass for the sake of continuity).

And if we all stick with this, we can revisit the later series again (I still hate leaving it unfinished).

Re: Sun Crusher. If you want to do an opening sequence, go for it. But otherwise I'd vote to leave it out. But, again, majority rules.



Thoughts?

I'm gonna explain that one in my background story. Vader & The Emperor didn't train Tholin as a Sith, he was trained while in cryo-stasis

 

[Orlanth]

Their is more to it, the dark jeedi, they use the dark side, their just not Sith yet

Jedi that have fallen, but not all the way into the dark side..

 

[Paendragon]

Their is more to it, the dark jeedi, they use the dark side, their just not Sith yet

Jedi that have fallen, but not all the way into the dark side..

That's exactly what I meant. You can be evil, and use the Darkness, without being a Sith.

 

[Arc da Rat]

*Smacks head against the table several times*

Make up yer minds guys on how many years are between RotJ & our Ep 7 ...

Either my character is gonna be Kerra's grandmother ... or some other character that Tholin meets after he is out of the cryo-stasis ...

AUGH!!!

(sorry its been that kind of a week at work)

 

[Arc da Rat]

& if I remember I did meet Raine while she was a Padawan. Her master challenged me & I killed him, but spared her, just taking her lightsaber

I'd like to point out ... That I remember AB mentioning this ...

(Killing a Jedi Master & sparing the Padawan)

But I don't think the person was actually named ... Tholin had mentioned this to Kerra ... (or something like that) ... He gave the Padawan's lightsaber to Kerra ... Or was it the Jedi Master's? ...

guess I was thinkin of something/somebody else.

can't think of it now tho
(i'm gettin old dangit!)

Excuse me ... Old Man ...

 

[Donsehan]

Their is more to it, the dark jeedi, they use the dark side, their just not Sith yet

Jedi that have fallen, but not all the way into the dark side..

please explain this some more. The story that is prevalent with the Star Wars universe is that the Sith were a species of people that used the dark side and took over much of the galaxy. I'd like to know what you mean by "not sith" because what i just mentioned is mostly in the books, but at the moment, I am unsure whether or not this is true for this roleplay.

 

[Orlanth]

please explain this some more. The story that is prevalent with the Star Wars universe is that the Sith were a species of people that used the dark side and took over much of the galaxy. I'd like to know what you mean by "not sith" because what i just mentioned is mostly in the books, but at the moment, I am unsure whether or not this is true for this roleplay.

True Sith were a race, yes and used the dark side. But the Sth in the movies is like a title to describe, like Jedi is. The term "Sith" developed into a title to describe those who imbraced the fall power of the Dark Side. Sith is a race of people, but is also given to the opposite to Jedi.

Jedi = good guys
Sith = bad guys

Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda, Luke, Anakin, Qui-uda Mondia (spelling) were all Jedi, but not one rrace.

Darth Sideous, Darth Vader, Darth Tranoys (Count Dooku) and Darth Maul were Sith, butnot the same race.

"Dark Jedi" is a title given to those Jedi who have fallen to the Dark Side, but who have not fully imbraced the Dark Side.

 

[dragonrazor]

I vote no for Sun Crusher. Instead why not have the end of a small battle between Rebels and a renegaade Imperial fleet?

The new republic wasnt founded untill our Ep8 rmember.

i agree....the Sun Crusher wasn't a good plot device even in the books

 

[Quiet_Cool]

So what we're looking at is basically, 35 or 40 years after ROTJ and 15 or 10 years before ROTS, with some Dark Jedi style characters, weak in terms of their Jedi/Sith powers, but still a notable enemy, the remains of the Empire, and younger versions of our other characters plus whatever new ones come into play to face the enemy?

If that's it, I think we've got a nice base plan.

Note: In Ep. 8, when we tried the action sequence at the beginning, it seemed to affect how much interest we pulled in terms of new blood once the thread began. Perhaps the idea of starting with action could be divided, in order to give other players a place to stick their heads in without having blaster bolts rolling past them.

Q_C

 

[Donsehan]

So what we're looking at is basically, 35 or 40 years after ROTJ and 15 or 10 years before ROTS, with some Dark Jedi style characters, weak in terms of their Jedi/Sith powers, but still a notable enemy, the remains of the Empire, and younger versions of our other characters plus whatever new ones come into play to face the enemy?

If that's it, I think we've got a nice base plan.

Note: In Ep. 8, when we tried the action sequence at the beginning, it seemed to affect how much interest we pulled in terms of new blood once the thread began. Perhaps the idea of starting with action could be divided, in order to give other players a place to stick their heads in without having blaster bolts rolling past them.

Q_C

wait . .. when you say ROTS you don't mean Episode III: Revenge of the Sith right?