Positive Campaigning ? Fixing the Demon-rats!

[sr71plt]

So Pilot you got any suggestions?

Yes, get your head out of the clouds and accept that progress on progressive issues will require pulling for people who know how to get stuff done, if only incrementally, and stop buying into both pie-in-the-sky promises and Swiftboating of people who can actually keep moving the envelope in the direction you want. You would have to vote for LBJ types, not Bernie types and be able to sort out Swiftboating of not ideal, but best available candidates like Hillary Clinton from flaws that truly make a difference in whether the envelope keeps getting moved in your desired direction or not.

You keep asking now, in 2017, for identification of a Democratic Party flag bearer in 2020 and I say it's time to watch to see who can break through who is more than just talk--and not to isolate on anyone while the Swiftboaters have three years to bamboozle American voters who are ba ba sheep to begin with.

I'm looking for the Democrats who step forward on something like health care, say they're willing to work on a bipartisan basis and float actual ideas that, at least incrementally, make sense. I don't think Mark Warner, one of my senators, is presidential material, but I think he has the right approaches to getting work moved forward. Who else is doing that in the party--look for them and encourage them. Stop following pied pipers.

 

[JackLuis]

Yes, get your head out of the clouds and accept that progress on progressive issues will require pulling for people who know how to get stuff done, if only incrementally, and stop buying into both pie-in-the-sky promises and Swiftboating of people who can actually keep moving the envelope in the direction you want. You would have to vote for LBJ types, not Bernie types and be able to sort out Swiftboating of not ideal, but best available candidates like Hillary Clinton from flaws that truly make a difference in whether the envelope keeps getting moved in your desired direction or not.

You keep asking now, in 2017, for identification of a Democratic Party flag bearer in 2020 and I say it's time to watch to see who can break through who is more than just talk--and not to isolate on anyone while the Swiftboaters have three years to bamboozle American voters who are ba ba sheep to begin with.

I'm looking for the Democrats who step forward on something like health care, say they're willing to work on a bipartisan basis and float actual ideas that, at least incrementally, make sense. I don't think Mark Warner, one of my senators, is presidential material, but I think he has the right approaches to getting work moved forward. Who else is doing that in the party--look for them and encourage them. Stop following pied pipers.

Shit, Pilot I voted for Hillary,... as least evil true, but still.

Warner is a reasonable Democrat, establishment but not evil. I have a certificate of appreciation from him with his actual signature!

Al Gore just came out for single payer health care, now we just need the DNC to endorse it rather than sniveling about supporting the insurance industry and Romney/ObamaCare.

I'm of the opinion that compromising with Rethuglicans is the way to end up, rather than start out. We should push for radical changes and then when the Rethuglicans are all scared, get them to compromise and allow some progressive moves.

A whole host of Democrats just voted for a massive increase of Defense spending, even more than Trump asked for, I don't consider that to be much help.

Now the Rethuglican are talking about massive tax cuts for the rich and slashing 'entitlements' to avoid more debt. I suppose the Democrats will bend over for that too.

 

[JackLuis]

Bernie Sanders says liberals shouldn’t trust Democrats

That really should say "Progressives" rather than "Liberals."

Even though the Democratic Party apparently has moved toward the left following the election of President Donald Trump, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has a warning for progressives.

“Do not underestimate the resistance of the Democratic establishment,” Sanders told The New Yorker.

Sanders has returned to classifying as an Independent following his second-place finish in the 2016 Democratic primaries. While he came up short against Hillary Clinton and his ally, Keith Ellison, lost the race to lead the Democratic National Committee, many credit Sanders for the Democratic Party’s leftward policy shift.

Ideas Sanders has long promoted, such as a $15 minimum wage, a trillion-dollar investment in infrastructure and a nationwide single-payer health care system, are gaining popularity in the party.

One reason Trump was elected was because he saw that the Democratic Party had ignored millions of voters, Sanders told The New Yorker.

“He said, ‘Hey, I hear you. I’m going to do something for you.’ And he lied,” Sanders said.

Former DNC Chairwoman Donna Brazile told Politico that the party shouldn’t lean on Sanders unless he is more willing to work with the Democrats.

“He’s not someone who we should go to, to build or rebuild or expand our party unless he’s willing,” she said.

I think she meant to be "Willing to drink the Establishment's Kool-Aid."

 

[JackLuis]

CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: Trump won because of ‘class rebellion’

“Why or how did Donald Trump win?” Ask this question and you’re likely to get myriad answers, because everyone has a theory—however hair-brained or cogently logical it may seem. The theories range from Hillary Clinton being a flawed candidate to Democrats having lost touch with the electorate, from a racist backlash against Barack Obama to the Trump campaign’s having touched voters who felt displaced or unheard. Others would point to “Pizzagate” and “fake news.”

CNN’s Fareed Zakaria delved a little deeper Monday when he stated on New Day that the Republican Trump’s stunning election victory came down to one thing: open “class rebellion” against educated elitists.

“The election of Donald Trump is really a kind of a class rebellion against people like us, educated professionals who live in cities who have cosmopolitan views about a lot of things,” Zakaria said, according to The Hill.

He added: “I think there’s a whole part of America that’s sick and tired of being told what to do by this overeducated professional elite that Hillary Clinton in many ways perfectly represented, and that’s why they’re sticking with him.”

The Spin is great with this one! It was a rejection of the Democrats for sucking Wall Street/Corporate Cocks, not "Over educated" sheeple who believe the spin that Zakaria to shilling.

 

[sr71plt]

CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: Trump won because of ‘class rebellion’



The Spin is great with this one! It was a rejection of the Democrats for sucking Wall Street/Corporate Cocks, not "Over educated" sheeple who believe the spin that Zakaria to shilling.

Sorry, I don't believe the Trumpettes have the capacity to think what you ascribed to them. It was just an ignorant (as in having no idea what their own self-interest was--but many of the Bernie supporters were the same) latching on to his "fuck them all" message.

 

[JackLuis]

Sorry, I don't believe the Trumpettes have the capacity to think what you ascribed to them. It was just an ignorant (as in having no idea what their own self-interest was--but many of the Bernie supporters were the same) latching on to his "fuck them all" message.

I believe that you believe that Pilot. However, the Demon-Rats still haven't fessed up to the fact that Hillary lost because she wasn't trusted, or liked, by many people. Nor, have they admitted that they lost the SC due to pouring money into Hillary's campaign instead of the Senate races.

 

[sr71plt]

I believe that you believe that Pilot. However, the Demon-Rats still haven't fessed up to the fact that Hillary lost because she wasn't trusted, or liked, by many people. Nor, have they admitted that they lost the SC due to pouring money into Hillary's campaign instead of the Senate races.

What people thought about Hillary isn't totally congruent with why Trumpettes voted for Trump. I don't disagree with the perceived notion of Hillary by many--I just say that much of that (and all of that; Hillary has herself to blame for some of it) is because of the Swiftboating of her by the long-practiced Republican smear techniques and by the Russian manipulation. Essential, the electronic world has developed voters into dumb sheep.

 

[JackLuis]

What people thought about Hillary isn't totally congruent with why Trumpettes voted for Trump. I don't disagree with the perceived notion of Hillary by many--I just say that much of that (and all of that; Hillary has herself to blame for some of it) is because of the Swiftboating of her by the long-practiced Republican smear techniques and by the Russian manipulation. Essential, the electronic world has developed voters into dumb sheep.

Well that and the trivialization of the political discourse by the MSM has some effect too.

 

[JackLuis]

Clinton Cult Lines Up Behind Kamala Harris

Lavish, closed-door parties in the Hamptons with wealthy donors should set off red flags for any voter, but they certainly don’t for Hillary Clinton’s surrogates who rally behind Sen. Kamala Harris while progressives raise concerns over the way in which Harris is being anointed as the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee. On July 31, Mic published an article in which several prominent Bernie Sanders supporters expressed their concerns with Harris. Clinton surrogates Peter Daou, Tom Watson, and Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden complained on Twitter about Sanders’ supporters not supporting Harris.

“Chasing so-called ‘Bernie wing’ will never, ever help a Democrat,” tweeted Watson. Daou, a Shareblue writer and unhinged former Clinton staffer added, “Democrats have an exciting field developing, a new generation of leaders coming forward in the Trump era. Bernie is NOT one of them.” Tanden interjected, “So odd, no, that these folks have if in for Kamala Harris and Cory Booker…. hhhhmmm.” Tanden bringing up Cory Booker is a common identity politics tactic used by the Clinton wing to propagate the Bernie Bros narrative to try to whitewash progressives and reduce their policy related criticisms. However, the Bernie Bros narrative fails to acknowledge that progressives support people of color and progressives such as Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard and former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner. Clinton’s Press Secretary Brian Fallon claimed, “If you are attacking Harris right now, the problem is you, not her.”

Harris’ vetting for a potential presidential run has consisted of meeting wealthy Clinton donors in elite vacation spots, instead of engaging or meeting with voters in their communities. If Harris is going to be taken seriously as a candidate, she needs to prioritize voters. She also needs to address the valid concerns people have with her history, such as her ties to Trump’s Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. As California attorney general, Harris failed to prosecute Mnuchin’s bank despite over 1,000 foreclosure violations found by her office. His bank, OneWest, and his wife donated a combined $15,000 to her 2011 campaign for attorney general. In 2016, Mnuchin’s only donation to a Democrat was to Harris.

It seems the DNC is picking Winners again, Pilot. You better get in line with the Part line.

 

[JackLuis]

Democratic rising star Kamala Harris has a “Bernieland” problem

But not everyone on the progressive left is feeling Harris-fever, and if the senator wants to win the Democratic presidential primary in three years, she’ll have to start making inroads with a growing grassroots movement that remains highly skeptical of Harris’s progressive bona fides.

Nomiki Konst, a Bernie Sanders supporter who serves on the Democratic National Committee’s Unity Commission had three words for Democrats interested in Harris as a candidate: “Follow the money.”

“The Democrats will not win until they address income inequality, no matter how they dress up their next candidate,” Konst said. “If that candidate is in bed with Wall Street, you may as well lay a tombstone out for the Democratic Party now. Voters are smart; they can follow the money.”

Konst’s skepticism about Harris’s alleged ties to Wall Street and insufficient commitment to populist economic issues reflect a broader trend among the residents of Bernieland. In a recent New York Times profile of Harris, another high profile Sanders supporter, executive director of National Nurses United RoseAnn DeMoro dismissed Harris’s prospects as a progressive 2020 contender, saying, “She’s not on our radar.”

And she hasn't be Swift boated yet, Pilot!

 

[sr71plt]

Clinton Cult Lines Up Behind Kamala Harris



It seems the DNC is picking Winners again, Pilot. You better get in line with the Part line.

Naw, I'll stick with not entertaining the question until after the 2018 elections. Keep 'em all guessing, and do an inventory on who is still standing after that.

 

[sr71plt]

And she hasn't be Swift boated yet, Pilot!

As I just posted . . .

 

[JackLuis]

As I just posted . . .

Well your probably right, lets see if the Demo's can reorganize the House and Senate in '18. The Midterms are generally when the country revolts on the White House. After the loser party has a little time to "Swift Boat" the Prez and the MSM pumps the opposition for click bait.

Although it appears the the Trumpanzy may not last until the midterms!

 

[Hypoxia]

Although it appears the the Trumpanzy may not last until the midterms!

I think it safe to say that nobody has the slightest flying fuck of an idea of what will happen next in USA. TeamTromp management style seems based on chaos-catastrophe theory: reach a tipping point and see what happens. If any strategic thinking occurred, some sort of predictability would ensue. But nope, not here.

We can expect more chaos, more catastrophe, more tweetstorms, more ad-hoc world-changing. Where/when will it end? Is Tromp waiting to see who (if anyone) will stop him, how close he can graze disaster before he's removed?

Will TeamTromp survive till 2020, or the midterms, or this Xmas, or Labor Day? How will it end -- bang, or whimper?

 

[sr71plt]

Yep. The speculation is more wheels spinning at this point than in any other point of my historical experience.

 

[JackLuis]

Barack Obama is reportedly urging this Massachusetts politician to run for president in 2020

Former President Barack Obama and his advisers are reportedly encouraging former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick (D) to consider a 2020 run for president, according to POLITICO.

Patrick and Obama are close personal friends, and he is one of the few people that the former president considers to have “political talent” and has privately encouraged him to run.

Obama’s former adviser Valeria Jarrett also said that it would be her “heart’s desire” to see Patrick make a run for the United State’s highest political office.

“If you were to poll 100 notable Obama alumni, the only two people who would win that 2020 straw poll right now are [Joe] Biden and Patrick,” one former senior White House aide said.

The Clintonistias are pushing Harris and Obama is pushing Patrick, which way will the DNC turn? Stay tuned this is a long fight for the future of the Demon-Rats!

 

[JackLuis]

Democrats begin to see Pelosi as a 2018 problem

Nancy Pelosi might actually be in trouble.

In a survey of 20 Democratic House candidates, only one – a former Senate staffer from Orange County, California – would state support for the congresswoman staying on as leader of the House Democratic Caucus. Of the rest, 18 declined to say if Pelosi should keep her job, while one, a political newcomer from a culturally conservative Ohio district, said he would vote for someone other than Pelosi.

Their refusal is a remarkable development for an already embattled minority leader, even if other congressional leaders, like Republicans House Speaker Paul Ryan or Senate Leader Mitch McConnell, are similarly unpopular in polls. More significant, however, are the implications that the candidates’ refusal carries for next year’s midterm elections.

While very 'experienced' Pelosi has to accept that she hasn't made Congress highly valued by the country. With Congressional approval in the teens it's time for new blood. IMHO

 

[JackLuis]

Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick

The contest for control of the Democratic Party between left and center is continuing apace. The latest battleground is over a handful of minority Democrats being groomed by the centrist establishment to run for office: Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), and former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

If the center wants to win over a suspicious left, they can start by clearly explaining their policy orientation, particularly in areas where they might have fallen short by the supposed standards of the modern Democratic Party — which all three of the above candidates have done in various ways. If they want to deepen divisions, they can use cynical accusations of bigotry to try to beat back any leftist challenger.

Well there are three in the running now Pilot, too soon?

 

[sr71plt]

Well there are three in the running now Pilot, too soon?

Yep, too soon.

 

[JackLuis]

In the face of endless propaganda from Democratic establishment leaders, a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men.

The survey, conducted by Harvard University and The Harris Poll, disproves the “Bernie Bro” trope with hard numbers. According to the survey results, which were conducted among 2,027 registered voters between April 14 and April 17, 2017, Sanders is actually more popular among women, African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian Americans than white people and men.

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[sr71plt]

How about among people who have bothered to check on his prior job performance?

 

[JackLuis]

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

Good article on how we ended up here.

sr71plt: How about among people who have bothered to check on his prior job performance?

One socialist and 99 Neo-Liberals how can he perform with those odds? It takes a group of leaders to make a difference Pilot. How much support did he get from the Democrats who say they liked FDR?

How did Regan not get indited for ignoring the Boland Amendment? How did Chaney not get indited for war crimes? It takes a village of idiots!

 

[sr71plt]

One socialist and 99 Neo-Liberals how can he perform with those odds?

He can't. It was his decision not to--and then to claim the mantle of leadership and the ability to get support, something he'd never tried to get before--and hadn't gotten. So the question was--and is--is he just grandstanding? It's good to have that opinions/ideas thrown in themix. Not so great if he tries to seize the mantle that he hasn't invested anything into or shown that he actually can wear to any effect beyond talk.

Talk is cheap.

 

[JackLuis]

With New D.C. Policy Group, Dems Continue to Rehabilitate and Unify With Bush-Era Neocons

But Democrats and neocons share far more than revulsion toward Trump; particularly once Hillary Clinton became the party’s standard-bearer, they share the same fundamental beliefs about the U.S. role in the world and how to assert U.S. power. In other words, this alliance is explained by far more than antipathy to Trump.

Indeed, the likelihood of a neocon/Democrat reunion long predates Trump. Back in the summer of 2014 — almost a year before Trump announced his intent to run for president — longtime neocon-watcher Jacob Heilbrunn, writing in the New York Times, predicted that “the neocons may be preparing a more brazen feat: aligning themselves with Hillary Rodham Clinton and her nascent presidential campaign, in a bid to return to the driver’s seat of American foreign policy.”

 

[JackLuis]

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Talk is cheap.

Not if you get it from Hillary! She sucked the Demo's $$ dry and lost the best chance for a Senate of Democrats and a Supreme Court that wasn't a RWNJ!

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