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Rightguide said:
He is a unitary Executive as Article II demands.
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Article 2 does not mean what Trump thinks it does, and we have a unitary executive only in the sense that we do not have a plural one -- like the ancient Roman Republic, with its two consuls.
 
coati said:
Actually, the whole reason why we developed an apolitical civil service system was to reduce patronage and corruption and provide societal stability. With Trump's political loyalty test approach, the civil service sector will change hands every time power shifts from one political party to another.

Under the Constitution, the U.S. Presdent is a temporary chief executive officer, not a fucking king who "rules the world."
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Quick "History repeats itself" lesson
  • Political patronage was the norm between 1828 and 1881 in the United States.
  • It was increasingly disliked over time, as politicians placed rabid devoted followers into key political positions (ones that did NOT require Senate confirmation)
  • It was called the "Spoils System" after some Senator quoted the old adage "to the victor belongs the spoils".
  • President James A. Garfield was sworn in as 20th President of the United States in 1881.
  • Charles Guitreau, who today would be called "ultra MAGA", petitioned Garfield for a federal job since Guitreau delivered speeches and passed out pamplets for Garfield during the campaign.
  • Garfield turned Guitreau down.
  • Guitreau then assassinated Garfield by shooting him twice in the back, six months after Garfield was inaugurated.
  • Americans were still shocked by political assassinations back them, and immediately supported the non-partisan General Services Administratrion, which withstood the test of time for 140+ years, until Orange Julius Caesar™ declared himself "King" in 2025 and reinstituted political patronage, with the partisan Supreme Court's blessing.
 
Politruk said:
Article 2 does not mean what Trump thinks it does, and we have a unitary executive only in the sense that we do not have a plural one -- like the ancient Roman Republic, with its two consuls.
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The very first sentence: "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." That single line establishes a foundational truth: all executive power originates with the President. He alone embodies the authority of the entire Executive Branch. As the only official elected by the nation as a whole, he carries the full weight of the people’s mandate to govern, and through him, their sovereign will is executed.
 
Rightguide said:
The very first sentence: "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." That single line establishes a foundational truth: all executive power originates with the President. He alone embodies the authority of the entire Executive Branch. As the only official elected by the nation as a whole, he carries the full weight of the people’s mandate to govern, and through him, their sovereign will is executed.
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None of which contradicts or invalidates this:
Politruk said:
OTOH, they are not always bound to do what the president wants. Every agency has its own mission statement, usually found in the legislation creating it, and its own recognized zone of independence from the White House. The DOJ and FBI, for instance, have a mission to police the White House -- because nobody else can. Nixon found that out when he tried to warn them off.
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Rightguide said:
The very first sentence: "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." That single line establishes a foundational truth: all executive power originates with the President. He alone embodies the authority of the entire Executive Branch. As the only official elected by the nation as a whole, he carries the full weight of the people’s mandate to govern, and through him, their sovereign will is executed.
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Your last sentence is a steaming pile of fresh bull shit that has no recognition of the separation of powers prescribed in the Constitution.

But, Lit's resident ambulance chaser is willing to defend your bullshit. Just dial 1-800-HISARPY.
 
Politruk said:
Or just read this or this, and you'll know all you need to know.
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Reading just "this" or this and relying on digests instead of reading complete articles is the intellectual equivalent of skimming a headline and declaring yourself informed. It's a shortcut to certainty without the burden of nuance. It doesn't educate, it anesthetizes, offering only a veneer of comprehension while quietly amputating context, depth, and counterpoint. The result is what we see here, a poster fluent in outrage but illiterate in substance.
 
Rightguide said:
Reading just "this" or this and relying on digests instead of reading complete articles is the intellectual equivalent of skimming a headline and declaring yourself informed. It's a shortcut to certainty without the burden of nuance. It doesn't educate, it anesthetizes, offering only a veneer of comprehension while quietly amputating context, depth, and counterpoint. The result is what we see here, a poster fluent in outrage but illiterate in substance.
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The guy who says the polling from the article doesn't include Trump voters, when it does has an opinion on reading comprehension
 
Rightguide said:
Reading just "this" or this and relying on digests instead of reading complete articles is the intellectual equivalent of skimming a headline and declaring yourself informed. It's a shortcut to certainty without the burden of nuance. It doesn't educate, it anesthetizes, offering only a veneer of comprehension while quietly amputating context, depth, and counterpoint. The result is what we see here, a poster fluent in outrage but illiterate in substance.
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Nobody is missing out on anything by reading a Wikipedia or RationalWiki summary of P2025 instead of the whole 900-page text.
 
Rightguide said:
Yes it does. Absent a violation of law, no agency head is granted the authority to ignore the lawful orders of the President.
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The president does not have the authority to order the DOJ or the FBI not to investigate him.

And he does not have any authority over independent agencies that Congress specifically designed to be outside presidential control -- the courts have said so.

And all the other agencies directly under the president have their own zones of autonomy.

The USG is not organized like one of Trump's businesses.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Quick "History repeats itself" lesson
  • Political patronage was the norm between 1828 and 1881 in the United States.
  • It was increasingly disliked over time, as politicians placed rabid devoted followers into key political positions (ones that did NOT require Senate confirmation)
  • It was called the "Spoils System" after some Senator quoted the old adage "to the victor belongs the spoils".
  • President James A. Garfield was sworn in as 20th President of the United States in 1881.
  • Charles Guitreau, who today would be called "ultra MAGA", petitioned Garfield for a federal job since Guitreau delivered speeches and passed out pamplets for Garfield during the campaign.
  • Garfield turned Guitreau down.
  • Guitreau then assassinated Garfield by shooting him twice in the back, six months after Garfield was inaugurated.
  • Americans were still shocked by political assassinations back them, and immediately supported the non-partisan General Services Administratrion, which withstood the test of time for 140+ years, until Orange Julius Caesar™ declared himself "King" in 2025 and reinstituted political patronage, with the partisan Supreme Court's blessing.
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Maybe PM BabyBoobs that history lesson.

👍

🇺🇸

We. Told. Them. So.

🌷
 
Rightgunt said:
Reading just "this" or this and relying on digests instead of reading complete articles is the intellectual equivalent of skimming a headline and declaring yourself informed.
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The level of unintentional irony here is exquisite.
 
Politruk said:
It's the Heritage Foundation.
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Heritage Foundation:

The Heritage Foundation is a neoconservative-turned-Trumpist "think tank" founded by Joseph Coors (of Coors Brewery), Paul Weyrich,https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/20px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png Edwin Feulner,https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/20px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png and Richard Mellon Scaife. As such, it formerly advocated economic deregulation[2] and an overtly interventionist foreign policy.[3] The think tank formerly published (until 2001)[4] the quarterly Policy Review, for many years considered the preeminent conservative publication in Washington, D.C.. Like many conservative think tanks, it is full of unbelievable amounts of hot air, as evidenced in this quote, which also serves as a window into the corrupt quixotic soul of the organization:

Liberation is at hand.... A paradigm-shattering revolution has just taken place... This revolution has been so sudden and sweeping that few in Washington have yet grasped its full meaning... the entire human outlook... will change... Once this shift takes place... we will be able to advance a true Hayekian agenda, including... radical spending cuts,[5] the end of the public school monopoly, a free market health-care system, and the elimination of the family-destroying welfare dole. Unlike 1944, history is now on the side of freedom.
—former Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey, in a 1994 issue of Policy Review
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Amazing! And is Jesus rising from the dead (again), too?

Since 2021, under the leadership of Heritage president Kevin D. Roberts,https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/20px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png Heritage Foundation has completely abandoned neoconservatism in favor of a full-on embrace of Trumpism,[6] thus illegally supporting a political candidate as a tax-exempt non-profit organization. To this end, the foundation leads the Project 2025 initiative.[7] Roberts is closely associated with the far-right Catholic institution Opus Dei, an institute that had close ties to fascist Spain under Francisco Franco.[8] Project 2025 also targets public education; proposing to abolish the federal Department of Education,[9] to cut subsidized school meals for impoverished children, and to eliminate the Head Start program,https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/20px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png[10]
 
RobDownSouth said:
The level of unintentional irony here is exquisite.
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When substance runs dry, irony is the last puddle to splash in. Glad you found something exquisite; now try engaging with the point instead of just admiring your own reflection in it. The only thing unintentional here is your attempt at wit. If irony were currency, you'd still be overdrawn.
 
heathrowinneo said:
LOL depends which end of the stick you are grabbing. Your perspective is based on authoritarian government and the lack of believing in the constitution. So, your end of the stick will always be shitty.
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No, it's based on Biden's attempt to flood the country with 10 million potential Democrat voters he couldn't find here. He didn't care how many Americans he killed or cities he destroyed in the process.
 
heathrowinneo said:
LOL depends which end of the stick you are grabbing. Your perspective is based on authoritarian government and the lack of believing in the constitution. So, your end of the stick will always be shitty.
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It's not a stick, it's a turd. One which has no clean end regardless of how much disinfectant you spray on it.
 
Rightguide said:
The Democrat Party is in the business of destroying America.
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Why is it, then, that the economy and everything else always goes better when Democrats are in charge?

We haven't had a decent Pub POTUS since Eisenhower. All since then have done horrendous damage to the country. Even St. Ronald.
 
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