Question for lesbians

gloriann: what do you call a man or a woman who only loves his or hers own sex, as in gender ? well you call them a homosexual/gay/lesbian depending on sex as in gender. So why do you need to judge a person because the person has a kink which involves the opposite sex ? I mean for fucks sake, how stupid is that ? And the same goes out to ResAris.
 
Some bisexuals are monogamous, some aren't. I can certainly see why a lesbian wouldn't want to be with someone who isn't.
 
Etoile: yeah, and I am those who are monogamous. Basically it is not what sexuality they have , that makes them cheat or not. It is their own personality . And I am tired of myths when it comes bisexuals, since there are probably loads of lesbians, and gays who are cheating on their partner and well the heterosexuals are a fine example of cheating on both genders.
 
This has become an issue of semantics.

The definition of "lesbian" is: a woman whose sexual orientation is towards women. So a woman who sleeps with women AND gives blow jobs to men is not a lesbian, she is bi. A man who sleeps with men AND eats pussy is bi.

Frankly, I don't give a shit what people call themselves, but if my next door neighbor calls himself the President of the United States, personally I wouldn't address him as Barack Obama.
 
ResAris: what you have just said is what makes it FUCKING hard to the lesbians who has a kink into the mix. That so-called true lesbians are hammering down on those who stray of the normal border of the fold.
And your bias about bi´s are even worse, since there are both men and women who are bi and monogamous. And the point of view you have given through your writing makes it so damn annoying to those rare people.
Well, I did preface my statement by pointing out it was my bias. Call it my preference, based on my own experience. You're saying that I'm poo pooing lesbians who have kink for sucking off cocks, and I'm simply saying the lesbians I've known have no interest in doing so. The ones who have identify themselves as being bi. Nothing wrong with that, and they're certainly entitled to their 'kink's whatever they might be. The fact that I wouldn't bother getting involved with someone who has that 'kink' is no different from my preference not to get involved with someone who's into 'scat'. Just not my thing.
 
Well spoken, ResAris.

The women that I've met in the last few years that claim to be lesbian, or even bi, yet have been with nothing but men since I've known them... they seem to have picked a label that appeases them, however, they aren't aware of the definition of the words.

That seems to be running rampant these days...
I agree, there seems to be a trend among the younger crowd to assume these labels because it's fashionable to be "gay", or "lesbian" in our current culture. Some might even dip their toes into the lifestyle, but few will jump in with both feet and live the life.
 
For the record, some lesbians enjoy cocksucking just fine, but don't like using a real penis. I believe Nina Hartley wrote an article about "the ultimate guide to lesbian cocksucking" or something like that.
 
Some interesting posts about the demarcations, for want of a better word, between lesbian and bisexual women.

It's a delicate issue, and one which really strikes a chord with me.

I've been in a serious monogamous relationship with my female partner for around three years now. I live as a lesbian, romantically and sexually. My girlfriend is herself unambiguously gay. But my life was different in the past. Before this present relationship, I lived bisexually; and until I was 24 or so I had a heterosexual lifestyle. For some reason, it wasn't until I properly "grew up", and various events took place, that I discovered the full spectrum of my sexuality.

So you can see how I struggle with labels. In my heart, I'm a lesbian. It just kind of *feels* right - I feel very happy and stable with where I am in life now. But I'm coy about using the term publicly. Am I a bit of a fraud? Will "pure" lesbian women see me a something of a carpetbagger? After all, and crucially, perhaps, I used to sleep with men - and at the time, I enjoyed it very much. I look back on that period of my life with fondness, not disgust, although I have no wish to return to it.

The answer is probably that labels don't matter - but in practice, to some people, they really do.
 
So you can see how I struggle with labels. In my heart, I'm a lesbian. It just kind of *feels* right - I feel very happy and stable with where I am in life now. But I'm coy about using the term publicly. Am I a bit of a fraud? Will "pure" lesbian women see me a something of a carpetbagger? After all, and crucially, perhaps, I used to sleep with men - and at the time, I enjoyed it very much. I look back on that period of my life with fondness, not disgust, although I have no wish to return to it.

The answer is probably that labels don't matter - but in practice, to some people, they really do.
I think a little context for my bias might help explain why I do make a distinction between lesbians and bisexuals. When it first became evident to me that I was "different", it was during an era when being different could cost you a job, lead to family and friends shunning you, etc. You were obliged to hide what you were, and lived in constant fear of being discovered and having to deal with the repercussions. I knew a number of women who escaped the backlash associated with their homosexuality by claiming they weren't really lesbians; these were the so-called bisexuals. The friend I referred to earlier was one who saw nothing wrong with being married and having flings on the side because in her mind, her bisexual urges didn't make her a lesbian.

The line between lesbians and bisexuals is one bisexuals themselves drew many years ago. Whether their motivation for doing so was fueled by their fear or ostracism or backlash is irrelevant. They were adamantly opposed to being labeled lesbians because our society at the time was more tolerant of women who weren't physically and emotionally vested in other women. Lesbians who grew up during that period, like myself, will find it very difficult to ignore that past.
 
Julie and ResAris, well spoken, both.

As I've said before, whatever gets you through the night, whatever you want to call yourself is your business.

I think my issue is this: when I'm told someone is a lesbian, my automatic response is "this woman is sexually and emotionally attached to women." This is regardless of her past. When I'm told a woman is bisexual, my automatic response is "this woman could be emotionally and sexually attached to either gender." Again, regardless of her past. But if I'm told a woman is a lesbian, but she has a tendency to give blowjobs to men, I'd say, "there's a semantical issue here."

I'd say the majority of my partners have had relationships with men, and that's (obviously) been fine with me. At the point that I was involved with them, whatever it was that happened in their lives that allowed them to own their sexuality had happened, their personal acceptance had happened. But even if one of them told me, "I'm a lesbian, I love women, but once in awhile I need to go give oral to a man, no emotional attachments, just a kink," I would have walked away. This is because I would have always been looking over her shoulder, trying to see who she was looking for to give her something that I could never give her.

I remember once, years ago, my best friend (lesbian) out of the blue, started dating a guy. I was furious with her, and she couldn't understand why. I told her it was because "you're not straight!" It wasn't because she was dating a man, it was because I knew her well enough to know that HE didn't have something she needed, and he cared for her, but she'd always be looking over HIS shoulder, looking for a woman. It wasn't fair to him.

Labels may not be fair, and may ultimately not matter, but don't use them improperly when people's emotions are on the line.
 
good word again gloriann. But because of circumstances I will not mention names of the lesbians I know whom has relationships with men even though they are god honest lesbians whether you like it or not. Because if I explain further in any case, both of them will not be happy. And then again those women whom I know, knows about the other person through me. So as I have said, circumstances are there and the anomaly is there too. And basically I can´t say anything else .
 
Gloriann, I'm sorry your thread has been so hijacked. I am bi, and perfectly content to define myself that way. Out of the long bellcurve of sexuality, I've known plenty of lesbians who have never been interested in cock for one or the other reason. I've known lesbians who have made an exception once or twice. I've known bigirls who end up in permanent relationships with a women, and I've known two seperatist lesbians who have partners that made the FTM gender switch and stayed with them. (One of whom's family said; "We knew this lesbian thing was just a phase!" as if the male she was now with wasn't the very same person that was female before the surgery!)

And your comment about wanting to know if your partner is bisexual, or if she has a kink that way? Completely fair. I'm really butch, and women figure I can only be a dyke, and I can't be that dishonest. Yes, it makes women walk away, but the women who do go with me don't do so because I've fooled them.

To add to your roster though, Safe_Bet is 100% lesbian :)
 
Gloriann, I'm sorry your thread has been so hijacked. I am bi, and perfectly content to define myself that way. Out of the long bellcurve of sexuality, I've known plenty of lesbians who have never been interested in cock for one or the other reason. I've known lesbians who have made an exception once or twice. I've known bigirls who end up in permanent relationships with a women, and I've known two seperatist lesbians who have partners that made the FTM gender switch and stayed with them. (One of whom's family said; "We knew this lesbian thing was just a phase!" as if the male she was now with wasn't the very same person that was female before the surgery!)

And your comment about wanting to know if your partner is bisexual, or if she has a kink that way? Completely fair. I'm really butch, and women figure I can only be a dyke, and I can't be that dishonest. Yes, it makes women walk away, but the women who do go with me don't do so because I've fooled them.

To add to your roster though, Safe_Bet is 100% lesbian :)

Ayuh, I am still queer as can be and YOU are still damn cute... just saying... ;)
 
I figure I might as well chirp in a bit more than just telling Stella she has a cute ass...

The term I saw and REALLY like is "old school" lesbian. LOL, yeah baby, that's sweet! I guess I'm "old school". The closest I've ever gotten to a live penis is when they pumped the sperm into me during my IUI procedures (and Amy pushed the plunger last time = she was SO proud).

Hell, I've only been on a couple of dates with guys while back in high school (actually none after I punched the last one for trying to feel up my boobs) and before I realized that there were people known as lesbians. I just got the "ickies" if a guy looked at me like that and thought I was a sicko for getting interested in the other chicks during gym class.

So, bottom line for me, is never have, never will...

As far as an lesbian that suck cock??? MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Pu-lease! Break out your Funk and Wagnells and look up Bi FFS! The only cock I've sucked on was hooked to Amy's strapon and I don't really like doing that. The thought of a real one in my mouth, much less anyplace else is MEGA EWWWW-ish.

P.S. Shywong: Get a grip, dude. If you were the only other person on earth and IF I was amazingly horny and IF all the vibrators in the world were destroyed, you STILL would be jerking off cuz I'd use my fingers while thinking about being with a chick. The thought of you or any other dude between my legs is just WAY gross.
 
P.S. Shywong: Get a grip, dude. If you were the only other person on earth and IF I was amazingly horny and IF all the vibrators in the world were destroyed, you STILL would be jerking off cuz I'd use my fingers while thinking about being with a chick. The thought of you or any other dude between my legs is just WAY gross.

How inspiring.
 
How inspiring.
Dude, she isn't really about what you want, yanno-- it's about what she wants.

Let's try defining "Lesbian" like this; a woman who is not sexually or emotionally interested in men.

There are plenty queer women out there who are not 100% gay. And plenty straight women who are totally freaky.
 
As far as an lesbian that suck cock??? MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Pu-lease! Break out your Funk and Wagnells and look up Bi FFS! The only cock I've sucked on was hooked to Amy's strapon and I don't really like doing that. The thought of a real one in my mouth, much less anyplace else is MEGA EWWWW-ish.
The "lesbian cocksucking" I was referring to involves dildos. Plenty of lesbians engage in that. That's what the Nina Hartley article was about, too. I'm sure it's on the net somewhere, I originally saw it in On Our Backs MANY years ago.
 
The "lesbian cocksucking" I was referring to involves dildos. Plenty of lesbians engage in that. That's what the Nina Hartley article was about, too. I'm sure it's on the net somewhere, I originally saw it in On Our Backs MANY years ago.

Oh, I dug what you were saying. :cool: Like I said, been there, done that. :D

It's when a chick self describes herself as a lesbian AND likes to suck a man's cock that I take issue. You can't have it both ways... UNLESS you are Bi.

les·bi·an (lzb--n) n.: A woman whose sexual orientation is to other women.

bi·sex·u·al (b-sksh-l) n.: A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of either sex.


Seems pretty clear to me.
 
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Oh, I dug what you were saying. :cool: Like I said, been there, done that.

It's when a chick self describes herself as a lesbian AND likes to suck a man's cock that I take issue. You can't have it both ways... UNLESS you are Bi.

les·bi·an (lzb--n) n.: A woman whose sexual orientation is to other women.

bi·sex·u·al (b-sksh-l) n.: A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of either sex.


Seems pretty clear to me.

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Thanks for speaking up, ladies, and echoing my sentiments. It still amazes me that, in the 21st century, things often still must be explained...
 
Please go easy on me, my dear ladies (and participating men)...
I identify as being a lesbian. I am emotionally, physically, mentally and romantically attracted to women.
Despite that, I like cock.
I know...cries of not a lesbian etc.
There is nothing I like about men, on men.
All I have is a curiosity and envy towards them; I'd love to have a fully functioning and feeling, detatchable penis.
I would like to explore a penis intimately but I believe that is just a consequence of wanting to feel it myself.
 
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