Rejected Story

[Djmac1031]

Oh and I also had to cut out any references to the male character noticing her body in a sexual way until she was 18, despite them being childhood friends.

Nature of the beast if you wanna publish here I guess.

 

[MotherloverSon]

I’m happy to go by the rules. I’m just new here.

I’m leaning towards making Brian a college freshman who comes home at the end of the year still a virgin. (It happens!).

He tells Mom how college isn’t any better than high school in terms of his ability to navigate the social scene. His mother reassures him that he’s handsome, that any woman would be lucky to have him….and then she realizes she’s right.

 

[Djmac1031]

I’m happy to go by the rules. I’m just new here.

I’m leaning towards making Brian a college freshman who comes home at the end of the year still a virgin. (It happens!).

He tells Mom how college isn’t any better than high school in terms of his ability to navigate the social scene. His mother reassures him that he’s handsome, that any woman would be lucky to have him….and then she realizes she’s right.

That sounds like your best bet. Most readers here, especially those of us who also write our own stories, understand LEs restrictions when it comes to the age thing, and hence are more forgiving over characters who somehow have never lost their virginity or even masturbated until they turned 18.

 

[gordo12]

OK, I get the point. I’ll either eliminate these scenes or edit them in a way that hopefully makes them less objectionable. I’ll also change the 18th birthday party scene into something else like a Christmas party.

If anyone wants to read the story and give me advice, just contact me.

Aside from being under 18 even ACTING like the character is under 18 will get it tossed.

I think Laurel and Manu need to set up a pre-publish page with all these rules. New authors need to answer a multiple-answer quiz before getting access to the publishing area. It would save them work in the long run.

It sure gets tiresome seeing threads like this week after week after week!
Not knocking the O/P. This is a constant problem here!

 

[TadOverdon]

It's not so odd if you think about it. Part of learning writing is finding out, by feedback, the distance between what we intend and what the words on the page actually communicate to a reader.

A number of the "why was I rejected" threads follow the theme "this part wasn't meant to be sexual, it's just Human Normal." But you're being read by an audience predisposed to frame everything as sexual, so any ambiguity or license is a problem.

 

[Agiel]

I’ve had five stories rejected for different reasons. In one case the reason for rejection was, in my opinion, stupid but I amended the story anyway and in the other four instances I contacted Laurel, argued my case, and they were published as submitted. For one of them I had to appeal twice before it was published as written.

If you can’t get anywhere the options are either alter the story or put it in the bin.

 

[jaF0]

^^ I just can't imagine doing that.

Arguing, fussing, trying to convince or armtwist the site .... not anything I would do. Either do it their way or move on.

 

[Agiel]

^^ I just can't imagine doing that.

Arguing, fussing, trying to convince or armtwist the site .... not anything I would do. Either do it their way or move on.

I can’t imagine you ever doing the same as everyone else.

 

[LilyWaters]

As far as I can tell, the potential problems are, in order of appearance in the story:
1. Grown women teasing a mother about how handsome her underage son is. Mother responds by telling them to go pick up boys at the high school if that's what they're after.
2. A mutual crush between teacher and student that is specifically described as non-sexual.
3. A paragraph about underage pornography consumption, ending with a brief mention of underage masturbation.
4. Discussion of an underage boy's interest in older women, but no talk of actual sexual behavior. Indeed it's not clear that his interest is sexual.

Those are followed by an 18th birthday party, and all other sexual content comes after that.

Which of those are problems?

All of them, probably.

But #1 struck me as particularly odd - I'm not sure what a "non-sexual crush" is, particularly when framed in an erotic story.

 

[Djmac1031]

The problem with aging the son up to college:

Harder to make him as super-inexperienced as I want him to be.

I have a series featuring two virgins who've never done anything before despite being lifelong friends since childhood.

He's 19. She's 18. Virgins. Zero experience.

Because those are the rules here.

 

[NotWise]

I have a series featuring two virgins who've never done anything before despite being lifelong friends since childhood.

He's 19. She's 18. Virgins. Zero experience.

Because those are the rules here.

Those aren't the rules. It sounds like you really want to write about kids having sex, so you're complaining to us.

Your over-eighteen characters can walk onto your page with any amount of experience you want to give them. They could both be tired prostitutes. They could have been playing with each other since they were three. You can't describe it. That's the rule. You can't describe underage sex, with the broadest possible definition for "sex."

 

[Djmac1031]

Those aren't the rules. It sounds like you really want to write about kids having sex, so you're complaining to us.

Your over-eighteen characters can walk onto your page with any amount of experience you want to give them. They could both be tired prostitutes. They could have been playing with each other since they were three. You can't describe it. That's the rule. You can't describe underage sex, with the broadest possible definition for "sex."

Specifically what I meant was if I wanted to write about virgins and first time experiences, my characters HAD to be at least 18. Despite how unrealistic that is.

It wasn't a complaint. Just a statement of fact.

 

[NotWise]

Specifically what I meant was if I wanted to write about virgins and first time experiences, my characters HAD to be at least 18. Despite how unrealistic that is.

It wasn't a complaint. Just a statement of fact.

And my point was that you apparently do want to write about virgins and first time experiences when they were under eighteen. You can't, and you're telling us all about it -- and for no reason I can discern other than to complain. No-one here needs your "statement of fact."

 

[Djmac1031]

And my point was that you apparently do want to write about virgins and first time experiences when they were under eighteen. You can't, and you're telling us all about it -- and for no reason I can discern other than to complain. No-one here needs your statement of fact.

My comment was in response to the OP comment that he didn't want to "age up" his character because he wanted the character to be "inexperienced " and I was pointing out that "inexperienced " characters still have to be at least 18 here.

But I'm not here to argue with you. Just clarifying my comments.

 

[NotWise]

My comment was in response to the OP comment that he didn't want to "age up" his character because he wanted the character to be "inexperienced " and I was pointing out that "inexperienced " characters still have to be at least 18 here.

But I'm not here to argue with you. Just clarifying my comments.

You're comment is incorrect, and the clarification doesn't help. Your characters can have any level of experience you want to give them. You have to be careful if you want to describe how they got the experience.

Maybe I'm pushing this too hard, but I've done it before.

There's a lot of misinformation on this forum about the under-eighteen rule, and I can think of three reasons why: the subject comes up too often and a lot of people are sick of it, so they give short, incorrect answers; some people have a personal issue with underage sex, and they intentionally give misleading answers; and some people don't actually know the rule, and answer anyway.

And that sticky thread that's supposed to give the answer? It's uninformative and mostly an insult to any author who comes here with an honest question.

The site does not deny that sexual experience often starts before the age of eighteen. The rule is -- from what the site has written, and from my experience in application -- that your story cannot describe sexual experiences (defined as broadly as you can imagine) involving a character under the age of eighteen.

So for Djmac1031, there's no reason for your characters to be 19 and 18 with no experience. You can say/infer/imply that they had sex, but you can't describe any sexual experience they had before they were 18.

Is that too subtle?

 

[Djmac1031]

You're comment is incorrect, and the clarification doesn't help. Your characters can have any level of experience you want to give them. You have to be careful if you want to describe how they got the experience.

Maybe I'm pushing this too hard, but I've done it before.

There's a lot of misinformation on this forum about the under-eighteen rule, and I can think of three reasons why: the subject comes up too often and a lot of people are sick of it, so they give short, incorrect answers; some people have a personal issue with underage sex, and they intentionally give misleading answers; and some people don't actually know the rule, and answer anyway.

And that sticky thread that's supposed to give the answer? It's uninformative and mostly an insult to any author who comes here with an honest question.

The site does not deny that sexual experience often starts before the age of eighteen. The rule is -- from what the site has written, and from my experience in application -- that your story cannot describe sexual experiences (defined as broadly as you can imagine) involving a character under the age of eighteen.

So for Djmac1031, there's no reason for your characters to be 19 and 18 with no experience. You can say/infer/imply that they had sex, but you can't describe any sexual experience they had before they were 18.

Is that too subtle?

I think we're actually in agreement and just misunderstanding each other lol.

It's all good, and I understand your point.

 

[Djmac1031]

Why is an 18-year-old virgin such an unrealistic idea? I've personally known lots of them, some who have been virgins by choice well into their 30s and 40s.

If we're talking realism, a large portion of people who lost their virginity by 18 were either forced or coerced into it. I can only go by personal experience, but I only know a handful of people who lost their virginity because they wanted to and not because of expectations or pressure from someone else.

Realism has a nasty side to it sometimes and, personally, I've experienced it enough to prefer the limitations imposed on backstory here even if it limits the psychological development of characters or reduces the realism of experiences a certain degree.

I didn't say being a virgin at 18 was unrealistic, what I meant (maybe I'm not saying it right lol) is that most people have at least masturbated and possibly explored sex in other ways...playing doctor, watching porn, something...before 18, but we as writers can't specifically write about those things HERE.

So if we're writing about a young character masturbating for the first time, or feeling a girl's boob for the first time etc. Then our characters need to be at least 18.

 

[NotWise]

I didn't say being a virgin at 18 was unrealistic, what I meant (maybe I'm not saying it right lol) is that most people have at least masturbated and possibly explored sex in other ways...playing doctor, watching porn, something...before 18, but we as writers can't specifically write about those things HERE.

Maybe it is too subtle. You can write about those things to the extent that you say they happened. You can write about them in very personal, emotional, and meaningful ways. They can be important to your characters. They can be important parts of your story, but you can't describe the act(s).

 

[NotWise]

Or you just don't describe their body or mention their age. You can get into the thought process of someone discovering their sexuality without writing it in a way that appeals to people *looking* for underage sexuality and physical descriptions.

This.

 

[Djmac1031]

Or you just don't describe their body or mention their age. You can get into the thought process of someone discovering their sexuality without writing it in a way that appeals to people *looking* for underage sexuality and physical descriptions.

Agreed. I've recently had a character talk about her past sexual experiences but only in vague terms and never mentioned her age at the time. And I got no complaints.

But when I wanted to write a story specifically about two young people experimenting together sexually for their first times, I specifically had to make sure both of them were over 18 because of the rules here, that's all.

And I'm not complaining about that, as someone else inferred.

Anyway. I hope no one takes any of this as being argumentative. Just trying to clear up my point because I think I've been misunderstood.

 

[Djmac1031]

Maybe it is too subtle. You can write about those things to the extent that you say they happened. You can write about them in very personal, emotional, and meaningful ways. They can be important to your characters. They can be important parts of your story, but you can't describe the act(s).

I'm in full agreement with you as well.

I guess my writing skills still need work lol. I don't think I did a very good job explaining my points.

But anyway. I totally get yours.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

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[Bramblethorn]

Or you just don't describe their body or mention their age. You can get into the thought process of someone discovering their sexuality without writing it in a way that appeals to people *looking* for underage sexuality and physical descriptions.

Bingo. From what I can tell, the de facto position is "we don't publish anything that a pedophile could plausibly get off to or that a hostile party could use to accuse Literotica of hosting child porn". A dry mention that "Grandma was an adventurous lass and got pregnant at 15" is accepted, a close-up description of that is not.

Yes, this does mean that very few of us will be able to write the RL story of the first time they masturbated or had sexual thoughts, and most won't be able to write about the first time we had sex. But lots of interesting stuff happens after 18.

 

[MotherloverSon]

Story got published! Thank you for your help. https://literotica.com/s/a-loving-mom-should-seduce-her-son