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[ShelbyDawn57]

Now you are confusing two things. The 0P's voice does work, it's the antiquated cms/database and the flawed automated tools that Literotica uses. There are too many people complaining about the same thing, don't believe me use the search function.

Occam's razor - the authors are not the problem the automated tools that Literotica uses is

You're obviously conflating the issue here. Let me give you a different point of view.
I worked in radio for several years. I also did professional voice over work, and sang in a chorus at an international competition level. All three of those utilize my voice(and my soul), but require a different style; voice placement, inflection, all kinds of subtle things. Did you happen to hear Lady Gaga collaboration with Tony Bennett? Still her voice, very different style(and absolutely amazing).

The same thing holds true for writing. Style is not and should never be static or you're not growing, but that's just my opinion. From reviewing other writer's works to help them navigate this quagmire, I have seen it. Varying sentence structure doesn't change the voice of the writer, but it(in my opinion) makes the writing better, Adding personality, opting to use creative dialog tags, none of that has to change the writer's voice, but it will help get past the AI test, and will make the story more readable.

Hell, even GRRM, if you read his Hedge Knight novellas, the first two are a very different style from the third. Read The Hobbit and then The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Big difference. If two of the great heavy weights in literature can alter their style, I'd suggest we can, too.

And going back to my original post on this thread, it's pragmatic. To publish in this site, you have to be able to pass their AI scan. Worry about what you can control, and that is NOT the AI scan. It's your writing.

Unless your goal really isn't to get published but rather to collect poor me pity points because you don't want to do what's required.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Sew it seams the anser is kleer, if ewe right like aye 3rd great drop out ewe don't git flaggged as AyeEye.

My stories are - certainly over the last couple of years - grammatically correct and have very few spelling mistakes. It’s just not true that good grammar and good spelling alone lead to AI detection.

And it’s not just me. I’ve seldom seen any errors in work by @onehitwanda or @Voboy or @Actingup or @THBGato or @redgarters or [insert a very long list here].

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

FWIW: there are increasing numbers of legal filings alleging that bot-AI-detectors give upwards of 75% to 90% "false positives." And, in the academic settings that the cases come from, it is mostly "clean, grammatically correct prose," that is flagged. In one story that I read a particular piece of software claimed that 100% of spell and grammar checked original pieces were AI. Sew it seams the anser is kleer, if ewe right like aye 3rd great drop out ewe don't git flaggged as AyeEye.

Heaven forbid you do this. That would be changing your style and style is sacrosanct...

 

[Voboy]

FWIW: there are increasing numbers of legal filings alleging that bot-AI-detectors give upwards of 75% to 90% "false positives." And, in the academic settings that the cases come from, it is mostly "clean, grammatically correct prose," that is flagged. In one story that I read a particular piece of software claimed that 100% of spell and grammar checked original pieces were AI. Sew it seams the anser is kleer, if ewe right like aye 3rd great drop out ewe don't git flaggged as AyeEye.

My usual method, to avoid the perils of spelling and grammar checkers, is to write my pieces using proper spelling and grammar in the first place...

Not sure why everyone's not doing that, but maybe it's just me. Call me old-fashioned, but I think it would be hard for me to call myself a "writer" if I didn't know how to, you know, write.

 

[Actingup]

My stories are - certainly over the last couple of years - grammatically correct and have very few spelling mistakes. It’s just not true that good grammar and good spelling alone lead to AI detection.

And it’s not just me. I’ve seldom seen any errors in work by @onehitwanda or @Voboy or @Actingup or @THBGato or @redgarters or [insert a very long list here].

I usually use Australian English and I have particular elements of style and plot lines that may or may not have anything to do with not being flagged for AI, but honestly I have no idea. I read the frustrations and theories and just hope it won't happen to me.

What I do know for sure is that AI is a massive challenge for the creative arts and a whole host of other fields and a profound disrupter (not always in a bad way, of course). The little Literotica part of the conversation is a very small part of the picture. I feel for those who have lost their jobs, for those who have been targetted for killing based on AI-automated decision-making, for those who have had their work copied and regurgitated in other forms, and for those who have little fresh water to drink because somebody wanted to do deep-fake porn videos. My little worries don't rate against this.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't think this site-especially the downward spiral its been on of late-is worth anyone putting themselves through stress, aggravation, or changing their work to suit it. There shouldn't be this much hoop jumping required.

I don't like to see people get discouraged enough to leave, but if they're feeling that way then maybe that's what's best from them and I would try to change their mind.

 

[Voboy]

What I do know for sure is that AI is a massive challenge for the creative arts and a whole host of other fields and a profound disrupter (not always in a bad way, of course). The little Literotica part of the conversation is a very small part of the picture. I feel for those who have lost their jobs, for those who have been targetted for killing based on AI-automated decision-making, for those who have had their work copied and regurgitated in other forms, and for those who have little fresh water to drink because somebody wanted to do deep-fake porn videos. My little worries don't rate against this.

This is well worth pointing out.

I just saw on the news that the tragic school shooting in Canada last month has now yielded a lawsuit against ChatGPT. I believe the killer is alleged to have sought advice from the AI, and the contention is that the programmers therefore must have known about the emerging plot.

Measured against such impacts, it's not hard for me to keep a sense of perspective about the "problems" here at Lit.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I unusually use Australian English

Fixed it

 

[SmilingLez]

You're obviously conflating the issue here. Let me give you a different point of view.
I worked in radio for several years. I also did professional voice over work, and sang in a chorus at an international competition level. All three of those utilize my voice(and my soul), but require a different style; voice placement, inflection, all kinds of subtle things. Did you happen to hear Lady Gaga collaboration with Tony Bennett? Still her voice, very different style(and absolutely amazing).

The same thing holds true for writing. Style is not and should never be static or you're not growing, but that's just my opinion. From reviewing other writer's works to help them navigate this quagmire, I have seen it. Varying sentence structure doesn't change the voice of the writer, but it(in my opinion) makes the writing better, Adding personality, opting to use creative dialog tags, none of that has to change the writer's voice, but it will help get past the AI test, and will make the story more readable.

Hell, even GRRM, if you read his Hedge Knight novellas, the first two are a very different style from the third. Read The Hobbit and then The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Big difference. If two of the great heavy weights in literature can alter their style, I'd suggest we can, too.

And going back to my original post on this thread, it's pragmatic. To publish in this site, you have to be able to pass their AI scan. Worry about what you can control, and that is NOT the AI scan. It's your writing.

Unless your goal really isn't to get published but rather to collect poor me pity points because you don't want to do what's required.

Sounds like you are putting defensive emotions into a discussion about how the op feels about being rejected. I am pointing out an antiquated 27 plus year old cms/database and more than likely flawed automated tools. Nothing more nothing less.


I am not asking for poor me pity points. Nothing I've written has been rejected. Before you jump to a conclusion, THINK

 

[CalBishForNow]

FWIW: there are increasing numbers of legal filings alleging that bot-AI-detectors give upwards of 75% to 90% "false positives." And, in the academic settings that the cases come from, it is mostly "clean, grammatically correct prose," that is flagged. In one story that I read a particular piece of software claimed that 100% of spell and grammar checked original pieces were AI. Sew it seams the anser is kleer, if ewe right like aye 3rd great drop out ewe don't git flaggged as AyeEye.

Got a link handy? I'm sure something like that has happened at some point and it could even be interesting, but "increasing numbers of legal filings" doesn't mean much if it's just going from zero to one. Bot-AI-detectors are only like 10 years old or so.

I don't think this site-especially the downward spiral its been on of late-is worth anyone putting themselves through stress, aggravation, or changing their work to suit it.

Has it been on a downward spiral? Genuine question. I've been reading here for decades, but publishing for less than 2 years and on the AH thinking Deep Thoughts about it for less than one. I know people complain about rejections and delays, but have no reason to think they're new problems. Or rather, not much reason to think they're significantly worse than whatever came before.

 

[Voboy]

Has it been on a downward spiral? Genuine question. I've been reading here for decades, but publishing for less than 2 years and on the AH thinking Deep Thoughts about it for less than one. I know people complain about rejections and delays, but have no reason to think they're new problems. Or rather, not much reason to think they're significantly worse than whatever came before.

I think many of us think the confusing AI response over the past few years is just one symptom of a general decline in the site's overall quality. Further evidence includes a response to one-bombing that some writers feel is too tepid, some mysterious tech glitches here and there, more slapdash application of contest and challenge listings, and the apparent (but unannounced) elimination of the monthly contests.

Many more of us have yet to be deterred by any of this decline, but the fact of the decline is difficult to deny.

 

[OddLove]

What we might have to look at in the future is the writing process. This would mean to submit not only the final version, but raw and intermediate versions as well. Most writing tools can provide this nowadays.

I love this idea.

Even if it weren't a requirement, it could be a nice option for those who did get hit with a false positive. I know I could make a quick backup file for my rough drafts before I get into all the editing and grammar correcting. It would take two seconds.

In fact, I'm going to start doing that. A document takes up almost no space on my hard drives, and even though I haven't got hit with an AI rejection and I dont think I ever will, it's a convient and simple 'insurance' in case it ever happens. A solution that I can do myself with no extra effort.

 

[forgotmyantidepressants]

I am finally ready to share this:

I've had my fair share of troubles with the AI filter. I submitted a story to Lit in late 2023, early 2024. It was rejected. This was before I uninstalled Grammarly. After several months, I re-typed the story into a new Google doc (No Grammarly. If Google corrected my grammar, I manually changed it instead of letting the doc do it automatically) and exchanged my flowery sentences for shorter and simpler. Re-submitted the story in June of '24 with a note and it was approved.

If you're interested, you can read said story here: The Widow

I had no issues until September 2025. I tried to submit a story to the Crime and Punishment event and it was rejected. It was a real bummer to say the least. I waited a month to re-submit. I didn't make any changes. Just put a little note in the notes box when I re-submit. Lo and behold, it was approved.

If you're interested, you can read said story here: Good Girls Say Please

I realize this doesn't tell us much, but I hope it helps someone. And in my humble opinion, when real people have to change their writing style to prove they're not a machine, we've all lost. Only change your writing style if YOU want to.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I am finally ready to share this:

I've had my fair share of troubles with the AI filter. I submitted a story to Lit in late 2023, early 2024. It was rejected. This was before I uninstalled Grammarly. After several months, I re-typed the story into a new Google doc (No Grammarly. If Google corrected my grammar, I manually changed it instead of letting the doc do it automatically) and exchanged my flowery sentences for shorter and simpler. Re-submitted the story in June of '24 with a note and it was approved.

If you're interested, you can read said story here: The Widow

I had no issues until September 2025. I tried to submit a story to the Crime and Punishment event and it was rejected. It was a real bummer to say the least. I waited a month to re-submit. I didn't make any changes. Just put a little note in the notes box when I re-submit. Lo and behold, it was approved.

If you're interested, you can read said story here: Good Girls Say Please

I realize this doesn't tell us much, but I hope it helps someone. And in my humble opinion, when real people have to change their writing style to prove they're not a machine, we've all lost. Only change your writing style if YOU want to.

Resubmitting with a note should always be the first step. I'm sorry that people gave you other advice.

 

[Voboy]

What we might have to look at in the future is the writing process. This would mean to submit not only the final version, but raw and intermediate versions as well. Most writing tools can provide this nowadays.

For some of us, this isn't possible.

I don't draft. I edit as I go. I understand that the doc should log each of those edits, but they probably wouldn't give too much insight into my "process" as the edits are generally very, very minimal.

It's an interesting notion, though.

 

[lovecraft68]

Got a link handy? I'm sure something like that has happened at some point and it could even be interesting, but "increasing numbers of legal filings" doesn't mean much if it's just going from zero to one. Bot-AI-detectors are only like 10 years old or so.

Has it been on a downward spiral? Genuine question. I've been reading here for decades, but publishing for less than 2 years and on the AH thinking Deep Thoughts about it for less than one. I know people complain about rejections and delays, but have no reason to think they're new problems. Or rather, not much reason to think they're significantly worse than whatever came before.

The AI issues are mounting and causing some authors to give up and try somewhere else
The 'story stuck in pending" issue continues and like the AI problem are pushing people to the point of walking away
Communication has never been a thing here from 'above' but considering how serious the two above issues are, its reached slap in the face status that nothing is ever addressed her and the vast majority of messages go ignored.
The troll bombing has always been a thing here but the last few months seems out of control.

The glitches have glitches at this point...

Granted we pay nothing to be here, however, authors are the sole reason this site makes money so the endless and increasing kicks in the teeth are piling up. For those who have been here a long time there's more of a chance of us riding it out or being less concerned because no one should be shocked by the less than desirable responses and correction of issues, but for new people with no history or loyalty why the hell should they put up with any of this? That and the younger folks see this site as the dinosaur it is, and back to they have no skin in the game to deal with it.

I would say that in the time I've been here this is the most frustrated I've seen people and with the most reason to be.

 

[Duleigh]

I have been writing since childhood and I have written pre-AI erotic stories; I had a few hits and misses. Now with AI, I ran the risk of having my works rejected even though they were my original plot arcs, and beats.

I don't understand - are you saying that you have had stories rejected because of AI (which you clearly did not say) or that you are afraid that you will have stories rejected (which is what you said).

Let me quote the renown philosopher and noted animated movie star, and I believe he played baseball and basket ball - Michael Jordan. He once famously said

"You miss 100% of the shots that you don't take."

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Sounds like you are putting defensive emotions into a discussion about how the op feels about being rejected. I am pointing out an antiquated 27 plus year old cms/database and more than likely flawed automated tools. Nothing more nothing less.


I am not asking for poor me pity points. Nothing I've written has been rejected. Before you jump to a conclusion, THINK

And I thought you and I were discussing whether or not changing writing style was absurd as it relates to getting around the AI detection(flawed or not).
I'm pretty sure al most all of my comments are on topic as far as that is concerned, and find it interesting that you have yet to offer a counter to anything I've said.

To summarize, I don't believe writing style is sacred and immutable. It should change as a writer grows in their craft.
Additionally, as a pragmatist, I think it's generally a good idea to deal with the parts of a problem that you can control. In that case, it's the style with which you write, as only Laurel and Manu can do anything about the AI screen.

And to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that you specifically, or the OP for that matter, were looking for pity points, I'm sorry if you inferred that. I personally have fallen prey to the auditors on a few occasions, but not for AI. Actually, my first few rejections were for grammar. Go figure...
My intent was to suggest that a possible, and probable reason for a writer to come into this forum and complain about something they can't control just might be to garner sympathy for a bruised ego. We're artists, creators, we have those, you know...

 

[SmilingLez]

And I thought you and I were discussing whether or not changing writing style was absurd as it relates to getting around the AI detection(flawed or not).
I'm pretty sure al most all of my comments are on topic as far as that is concerned, and find it interesting that you have yet to offer a counter to anything I've said.

To summarize, I don't believe writing style is sacred and immutable. It should change as a writer grows in their craft.
Additionally, as a pragmatist, I think it's generally a good idea to deal with the parts of a problem that you can control. In that case, it's the style with which you write, as only Laurel and Manu can do anything about the AI screen.

And to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that you specifically, or the OP for that matter, were looking for pity points, I'm sorry if you inferred that. I personally have fallen prey to the auditors on a few occasions, but not for AI. Actually, my first few rejections were for grammar. Go figure...
My intent was to suggest that a possible, and probable reason for a writer to come into this forum and complain about something they can't control just might be to garner sympathy for a bruised ego. We're artists, creators, we have those, you know...

Yes, I took the pity party comment personally. And now that I know it wasn't directed at me, I'm sorry if my words were sharp.

My point, changing how you write which is basically your signature in order to get published on Literotica is just plain sad. AN AUTHOR SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR A WELL-WRITTEN STORY.

Literotica's cms/database is over 27 years old. I am sure there is a big mismatch with the automated tools they use.

One thing I noticed is that there aren't many posts about story staying in pending status. Perhaps what was done in order to remove that bottle neck, was to alter the code, so that if a work is pending for more than a certain amount of time, the AI message is automatically generated and the work is rejected. That keeps the story from clogging the database.

Also if you reread some of the comments - several people covertly insinuated that the OP used AI tools sort of like sneaking a sword into a plane. That was petty

 

[Britva415]

The way how I'm feeling right now, is more 'Thelma and Louise' over the cliff!

That'll show'em!

 

[Britva415]

a discussion about how the op feels about being rejected

Potentially being rejected. They were called out on that and didn't clarify whether they in fact were ever rejected.

 

[SmilingLez]

Potentially being rejected. They were called out on that and didn't clarify whether they in fact were ever rejected.

Regardless of the status of the OP's work, I stand behind what I said, because there are several people who experienced the same AI rejection and thought about deleting their Literotica account and publishing elsewhere. Don't believe me, do a search in this forum. Plenty of threads

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

I don't draft. I edit as I go. I understand that the doc should log each of those edits, but they probably wouldn't give too much insight into my "process" as the edits are generally very, very minimal.

Not a problem, or actually even better to prove that a human is writing this. The history in a document, either ms-word or google-docs can be accessed via an api. But that would require a skilled programmer and that is the key problem with literotica. The programming is amateurish and slow.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

The reference to the old database misses the point. I do not know what the site uses to detect AI, therefore I looked at the stories myself. And without tools I found the AI typical style. Because we get to read a lot of AI text these days, it repelled me. Once literary techniques associated with AI become noticeable to a reader they negatively affect my reading pleasure. So to put it bluntly. The OP has a problem, because there is a problem.

 

[StillStunned]

My point, changing how you write which is basically your signature in order to get published on Literotica is just plain sad. AN AUTHOR SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR A WELL-WRITTEN STORY.

In previous threads I've argued that writers have been rejected by publishers for hundreds of years. None of us here have a *right* to be published on Lit. If Laurel (may she live forever) feels that your story doesn't meet her standards, then you have three options: drop your story, look for somewhere else to publish it, or change it until it does meet her standards.