RIP Lindsey Graham

[Lazaran]

She didn't bring it out into the open. Her diary was stolen.

Unless you are also a child psychologist, they probably know this topic quite a bit better than you do.

And she wrote in that "diary" about some hazy / vague memories and feelings from her youth while IN A MENTAL HEALTH & DRUG REHAB PROGRAM.



Only a moron would give serious weight to the scribblings she made while dealing with mental health and drug addiction issues (which explains ineedhelp1 citing that "diary" as "proof" of… something…).



And as you mentioned: Once she got herself straight she never revisited those hazy / vague memories in any public forum: She certainly never publicly accused her father of doing anything wrong, and she seemed / was fully supportive of him in all public appearances, so…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Rightguide]

Your manufacturing gains are entirely in that industry.

This should satisfy your curiosity:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases...s-investment-in-president-trumps-second-term/

Add this to the list as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota...antonio-tacoma-pickup-production-from-mexico/

 

[DeluxAuto]

This should satisfy your curiosity:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases...s-investment-in-president-trumps-second-term/

Add this to the list as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota...antonio-tacoma-pickup-production-from-mexico/

There's a bigly difference between announcements and investments.

 

[ll74]

This should satisfy your curiosity:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases...s-investment-in-president-trumps-second-term/

Add this to the list as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota...antonio-tacoma-pickup-production-from-mexico/

Yes, lots of future promises.

 

[eric_erosfan]

Tell me the truth: is the real reason you skipped that 36-yard zero just fear of proving me right?

Lol. I don't even remember what you were asking. I told you all US Army soldiers zero on a shorter distance range where your battle buddy walks down range after 3 shots to fetch your paper target and you make the appropriate site adjustments. In this range I kept making one hole with 3 rounds. Eventually getting it lined up with the center bullseye.

My personal AR15 is not zeroed as I would have to go to a public range and I know too many people around town so I have avoided having people know I own an AR.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There's a bigly difference between announcements and investments.

Remember when Trump breathlessly announced the Foxconn "investment announcement" way back in July 2017?
Foxconn announced it would invest 10 billion dollars and create 13,000 new high paying tech jobs in Wisconsin.

After the smoke had cleared, Foxconn took all the tax credits and ended up investing 672 million dollars, creating 1,400 jobs. *Yawn*

The Chinese were aghast when this deal was announced, saying that this plant in this location was nowhere near the existing supply chair providers. The deal was dead on arrival.

 

[Lazaran]

Remember when Trump breathlessly announced the Foxconn "investment announcement" way back in July 2017?
Foxconn announced it would invest 10 billion dollars and create 13,000 new high paying tech jobs in Wisconsin.

After the smoke had cleared, Foxconn took all the tax credits and ended up investing 672 million dollars, creating 1,400 jobs. *Yawn*

The Chinese were aghast when this deal was announced, saying that this plant in this location was nowhere near the existing supply chair providers. The deal was dead on arrival.

"THE EIGHT WONDER OF THE WORLD!!!"…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Remember when Trump breathlessly announced the Foxconn "investment announcement" way back in July 2017?
Foxconn announced it would invest 10 billion dollars and create 13,000 new high paying tech jobs in Wisconsin.

After the smoke had cleared, Foxconn took all the tax credits and ended up investing 672 million dollars, creating 1,400 jobs. *Yawn*

The Chinese were aghast when this deal was announced, saying that this plant in this location was nowhere near the existing supply chair providers. The deal was dead on arrival.

It's easy to fool idiots like Reichguide and icantdoshit over and over again.

 

[YDB95]

And she may well have been old enough to know better, why else would she feel compelled to mention it in her diary.

There's no evidence at all of that, and it's no one else's business why she wrote that or anything else in her diary.

 

[Beachguy23]

No loss just one less ass kisser that Fuckface Trump used

 

[icanhelp1]

There's no evidence at all of that, and it's no one else's business why she wrote that or anything else in her diary.

And there’s no evidence that she was a toddler. Toddlers don’t have acute sexual self awareness, enough to feel compelled to include it in a diary. “Taking showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)” her words. You leftists have consistently given Biden the benefit of the doubt but Trump is guilty of all your accusations. Whether it’s our business or not is immaterial, the facts are out there. You were quick to crucify Trump for the access Hollywood tape which was a private conversation that was also nobody’s business. You’re a hypocrite.

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2077041299501232448

 

[YDB95]

And there’s no evidence that she was a toddler.

Unless you count the fact that she clearly does not consider her father a pervert. If she'd been older at the time, I sincerely doubt she would want anything to do with him now.

Toddlers don’t have acute sexual self awareness, enough to feel compelled to include it in a diary. “Taking showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)” her words.

She wasn't a toddler when she wrote that. Most likely she was referring to her memories from her very early childhood. I can certainly see why it would give her the creeps in retrospect; that's my best guess as to what she meant. In any event, you have no more way of knowing exactly what she meant than I do, and neither of us should have ever even heard about it in the first place.

And if you think toddlers have no awareness of their bodies - including and even especially the naughty bits - you haven't spent much time around them!

You leftists have consistently given Biden the benefit of the doubt but Trump is guilty of all your accusations.

Believe you me, if Biden had ever said, "If Ashley weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her," or bragged about barging into a locker room where he knew teenage girls were changing their clothes, I would not give him the benefit of the doubt. In Trump's case, those are not "our accusations", they're his own fucking words!

Whether it’s our business or not is immaterial, the facts are out there. You were quick to crucify Trump for the access Hollywood tape which was a private conversation that was also nobody’s business. You’re a hypocrite

Either it's immaterial or it isn't, and if it is, then I'm no hypocrite. Besides, we're talking about one line that gives no indication that she was inappropriately old at the time, versus a soliloquy about how he can get away with what could only be called sexual abuse. It's apples to watermelons.

 

[icanhelp1]

Unless you count the fact that she clearly does not consider her father a pervert. If she'd been older at the time, I sincerely doubt she would want anything to do with him now.

Isn’t saying (inappropriate behavior) calling someone a pervert without calling someone a pervert.

Ty She wasn't a toddler when she wrote that. Most likely she was referring to her memories from her very early childhood.

Not being a toddler when she wrote it is immaterial. Having raised 2 girls myself toddlers are very clingy and too young to associate parental behavior as good or bad unless they’re mistreated, exposed to traumatic experiences usually associated with violence, abuse and pain (mental or physical). I can’t imagine taking a shower with my daughters. I’ve given them baths but never showered with them. My wife would have handled those issues such as how to take a shower. I would guess being sexualized as a young person is when she started to differentiate between acceptable behavior, sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior.

I can certainly see why it would give her the creeps in retrospect; that's my best guess as to what she meant. In any event, you have no more way of knowing exactly what she meant than I do, and neither of us should have ever even heard about it in the first place.

If it gave her the creeps then perhaps she was old enough at the time (not a toddler) and put 2+2 together to formulate an opinion based on accumulated social experiences. You know… In her mind’I didn’t understand then what I understand today and today it gives me the creep because today I understand it’s not accepted behavior’.

And if you think toddlers have no awareness of their bodies - including and even especially the naughty bits - you haven't spent much time around them!

I raised 2 daughters. Never! ever! did I contemplate being totally naked with my toddler daughters taking showers with them. That really creeps me out. Young girls do start to become aware of their bodies and they learn at a young age *modesty* and most dads are very in tuned with it and are very aware of that change in their girls and respect it.

Believe you me, if Biden had ever said, "If Ashley weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her," or bragged about barging into a locker room where he knew teenage girls were changing their clothes, I would not give him the benefit of the doubt. In Trump's case, those are not "our accusations", they're his own fucking words!

Believing your daughter is attractive is not wrongheaded. What is wrongheaded is inappropriate sexual behavior that leads to incest which in this country is criminal.

The other stuff I’m not aware of. If he said it he owns it. I wouldn’t go down that road if I were you. Wiener, Graham, Swalwell did much worst. Sexting young girls, rape a

Either it's immaterial or it isn't, and if it is, then I'm no hypocrite. Besides, we're talking about one line that gives no indication that she was inappropriately old at the time, versus a soliloquy about how he can get away with what could only be called sexual abuse. It's apples to watermelons.

And my guess is she wasn’t a toddler when it happened.

 

[YDB95]

Isn’t saying (inappropriate behavior) calling someone a pervert without calling someone a pervert.

Not necessarily. But I'm not aware of anything she's ever said or done to indicate that she believes he is one.

Not being a toddler when she wrote it is immaterial. Having raised 2 girls myself toddlers are very clingy and too young to associate parental behavior as good or bad unless they’re mistreated, exposed to traumatic experiences usually associated with violence, abuse and pain (mental or physical).

None of which means she mightn't have reconsidered something when she was older that didn't feel inappropriate at the time. I imagine we all hit an age where the thought of our parents in any sexual context whatsoever squicks us out. That's my guess as to what she was referring to, and it doesn't make Biden a child molester.

I can’t imagine taking a shower with my daughters. I’ve given them baths but never showered with them. My wife would have handled those issues such as how to take a shower.

Whatever works for your family is great. But that other families handled it differently does not make them monsters.

I would guess being sexualized as a young person is when she started to differentiate between acceptable behavior, sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior.

Survivors of child molesting know a good touch from a bad touch.

If it gave her the creeps then perhaps she was old enough at the time (not a toddler) and put 2+2 together to formulate an opinion based on accumulated social experiences. You know… In her mind’I didn’t understand then what I understand today and today it gives me the creep because today I understand it’s not accepted behavior’.

Can't prove a negative, but it could just as easily be that it gave her the creeps because now that she was older, she did not want to think about having ever seen her father naked. I wouldn't either if I were in her shoes, but that still doesn't mean what happened was abusive or inappropriate.

I raised 2 daughters. Never! ever! did I contemplate being totally naked with my toddler daughters taking showers with them. That really creeps me out. Young girls do start to become aware of their bodies and they learn at a young age *modesty* and most dads are very in tuned with it and are very aware of that change in their girls and respect it.

You already said that. Now, I don't know about you, but I would never in a million years ask my friends just how they teach their kids about the facts of life. So I have no way of knowing how many handle it like Biden did and how many handle it like you did. But showering with your kids when they're very young is recognized as acceptable and maybe even beneficial:

Dr. Wendy Lane, who works at the University of Maryland Children’s Hospital, said it can actually be beneficial for children to rinse off with their parents during their early years —but the practice should stop around the age of 5.

“It can be a way to learn accurate names for body parts, explain the physical difference between genders, explain that bodies change while growing up, and teach children about personal boundaries,” Lane told Today.

“Letting children know that their bodies are their own is important,” she added.

However, she made sure to note that “no one should be touching their private parts, unless providing assistance with toileting or bathing, if needed.”

Lane further stated that showering with a child should “always stop” when the child no longer wants to do it, which usually happens between the ages of 3 and 5.

Believing your daughter is attractive is not wrongheaded.

It's also not what Trump said.

What is wrongheaded is inappropriate sexual behavior that leads to incest which in this country is criminal.

Then you agree Trump shouldn't have said that about dating Ivanka? Great.

The other stuff I’m not aware of. If he said it he owns it. I wouldn’t go down that road if I were you. Wiener, Graham, Swalwell did much worst. Sexting young girls, rape a

Let's see, on our side, there were guys whose careers were quite rightly destroyed by their behavior. On your side, you nominated him for president three times. I'm more than happy to go down that road, thank you very much!

And my guess is she wasn’t a toddler when it happened.

Probably because you already hated Biden. I mean, there's nothing else to base that guess on, and plenty of reasons not to.

 

[LeahWill]

I raised 2 daughters.

As you are someone who has done this I am genuinely interested to hear how you can support and defend a guy who boasted that he has sexually abused multiple young women.

They were someone's daughters... You have daughters. If someone did that to one of them, because they considered their bank balance 'allowed them to' how would you feel about him...?

I honestly just do not get it.

 

[icanhelp1]

As you are someone who has done this I am genuinely interested to hear how you can support and defend a guy who boasted that he has sexually abused multiple young women.

They were someone's daughters... You have daughters. If someone did that to one of them, because they considered their bank balance 'allowed them to' how would you feel about him...?

I honestly just do not get it.

I don't support that behavior. Did you support the Kennedys'? Did you support Clinton? Is this whataboutism? NO! It's pointing out that people do bad things. What I can say about Trump is he never behaved that way while in office.

 

[DeluxAuto]

And there’s no evidence that she was a toddler. Toddlers don’t have acute sexual self awareness, enough to feel compelled to include it in a diary. “Taking showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)” her words. You leftists have consistently given Biden the benefit of the doubt but Trump is guilty of all your accusations. Whether it’s our business or not is immaterial, the facts are out there. You were quick to crucify Trump for the access Hollywood tape which was a private conversation that was also nobody’s business. You’re a hypocrite.

Trump is a sexual assaulter and convicted felon.

You're a traitor.

Hope that helps

 

[LeahWill]

I don't support that behavior. Did you support the Kennedys'? Did you support Clinton? Is this whataboutism? NO! It's pointing out that people do bad things. What I can say about Trump is he never behaved that way while in office.

I was not born when the Kennedys were to the fore nor when Clinton was President (well I was at the end but quite young).
From what I / we know of them (very little to be honest) then I doubt either should be elected.
But I am not American. And I am not measuring anyone against anyone else.

All I wanted to know was, as a father of young women how do you support the guy who behaves like that?
How do you manage to divorce 'the behaviour' from the man responsible for it?
In a different thread you are quite clear about people being held to account for their actions.

People also have a responsibility to act resposibly

This doesn't seem to apply to Trump. You do support him. The abuser...

I genuinely am not trying to start an argument, I just cannot get my head around someone bragging about what he did and fathers, in particular, going 'Yeah, great guy'.

My question actually was 'How would you feel about (any other) guy who did that to your daughter?'

 

[SkyBubble]

Don’t know about her. But my opinion is based on his political life and what I know of it. He served. He was a captive who refused to be broken and insisted others got released before him. A man of valor, and that counts in my book.

If you have something to share about her, go for it. Don’t smirk and sit back touting some dark secret. Bring it to the light, Smily.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-first-marriage/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17843958

https://www.quora.com/What-did-John-McCain-do-when-his-first-wife-got-sick

 

[SkyBubble]

You're happy he pushed through an unqualified alcoholic?

I'm happy he stood up to your party's smears and got a pretty good justice through. It was a rare occasion when he showed some backbone.

 

[SkyBubble]

Joe Biden has always been a gracious gentleman.

That is simply an insane claim.

Even though Hunter had problems with drug abuse, he was never a creepy snake like the Trump kids.

That is also not true. Are you that blindly cultish in your partisan hatred?

 

[SkyBubble]

He can't fill it. Kentucky law stipulates that he has to call a special election if the vacancy occurs more than three months out from the next election.

Be that as it may, he's already scheming to steal the seat for the Democrats by appointment.

It's statistically safer than childbirth, if you want to play that game.

This is simply false. AND it completely ignores the other human being involved.

Watching Graham come fiercely to the defense of an accused rapist and destroying his accuser's character is his finest hour?

Falsely accused by your cult. No evidence. But your cult doesn't need any.

 

[LeahWill]

Taht

Darn it. You were so close to a full post without error that time...
Did the thought of using the word "cultish" get you so excited you lost concentration?

 

[HisArpy]

There's no evidence at all of that, and it's no one else's business why she wrote that or anything else in her diary.

Except the diary is evidence.

And, in most court cases involving that kind of thing, an entry in a diary IS within the ambit of "the court's business." And, since the court belongs to the people (which is why it's in a public courthouse and open to the random public) that makes it the people's business.

So you're wrong on both counts. Not that you'll admit it; because TDS and stupidity on your part.