Scream it out! Roe v. Wade edition

[cascadiabound]

The circumstances behind the above case as well as the reporting methods are a mess beyond measurement on all sides of the reporting sectors and the girl's home environment. This shouldn't have happened to the child but as terrible as it continues to be the incident brings a spotlight onto the importance of abortion as a life and health choice.

I don't know what you mean about the reporting methods. As far as I can tell, all administrative reporting was done correctly. The State Atty general was interviewed saying he hadn't heard anything about this case (prior to the arrest of the rapist), but frankly, his office would not typically be involved in such things.
Obviously it is beyond tragic that anyone is raped, especially a child who should be able to rely upon adults to protect her. Nonetheless it happens. I know of more than one case where young girls became pregnant prior to their first menstruation because of the frequency/timing of the rape/abuse they endured.
We do know that children under the age of 15 are 5x more likely to die during pregnancy than women over 20. Also, infants of adolescent mothers are twice as likely to die prior to 1st bday.
In these cases where a child becomes pregnant, the only humane thing to do is to assist with termination of pregnancy imo

 

[tnman03]

I don't know what you mean about the reporting methods. As far as I can tell, all administrative reporting was done correctly. The State Atty general was interviewed saying he hadn't heard anything about this case (prior to the arrest of the rapist), but frankly, his office would not typically be involved in such things.
Obviously it is beyond tragic that anyone is raped, especially a child who should be able to rely upon adults to protect her. Nonetheless it happens. I know of more than one case where young girls became pregnant prior to their first menstruation because of the frequency/timing of the rape/abuse they endured.
We do know that children under the age of 15 are 5x more likely to die during pregnancy than women over 20. Also, infants of adolescent mothers are twice as likely to die prior to 1st bday.
In these cases where a child becomes pregnant, the only humane thing to do is to assist with termination of pregnancy imo

I totally agree that when a child becomes pregnant it is detrimental to her health to expect her to carry that child to term. That's a terrible precedent akin to the historical child brides long ago here in the US and European countries. I won't even speak further of child brides elsewhere. The historical death toll on pregnant women is sobering.

 

[tnman03]

You would hope that common sense would prevail and the "pro-life" brigade would actually understand and value life here. But no, fuck science and logic and stick to our guns (another fucking nonsensical issue) and put the LIFE of a 10 yr old at risk to "protect" the life of the unborn. And once that "life" comes into existence, let's just fuck off and let both the children figure out how to fend for themselves. And while we are at it, let's also complain about government welfare schemes.

/end of rant

Well, the governor of the state the child resided in later said that her status fell into the exceptional means guidelines and the procedure could have been done in their state rather than another state.
As with other stories which become significantly newsworthy the storylines and statements either changed or evolved. It was a stinking mess that only compounded the trauma.

 

[cascadiabound]

Well, the governor of the state the child resided in later said that her status fell into the exceptional means guidelines and the procedure could have been done in their state rather than another state.
As with other stories which become significantly newsworthy the storylines and statements either changed or evolved. It was a stinking mess that only compounded the trauma.

That may be true, however the chill on providers is quite serious and the delay obtaining an "exception" would likely have meant the child would have had to undergo an abortion procedure rather than a medication induced abortion.
I agree, the trauma on this child has been compounded by the cruel legal quagmire we now find ourselves in.

 

[Dribble]

Roe was on the ballot in 2016 and all those who voted for trump are responsible

Exactly right. And those that didn't but still remain friends with those that did are no better than those that did. There is no gray here. Shit....is shit no matter how you coat it.

 

[Diosax]

Exactly right. And those that didn't but still remain friends with those that did are no better than those that did. There is no gray here. Shit....is shit no matter how you coat it.

This!!

 

[jaF0]

Harry chimes in



U.S. News // 59 minutes ago
Prince Harry cites 'global assault on democracy,' Roe vs. Wade in U.N. speech

 

[tnman03]

Sobering isn't it? Whatever anyone totally against abortion thinks, this is not where we need to be now...again. Is it any wonder why this is a major disaster in progress?

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Exactly right. And those that didn't but still remain friends with those that did are no better than those that did. There is no gray here. Shit....is shit no matter how you coat it.

Someone has to be the voice of reason in those circles. And cutting people out of your lives is a massive privilege that doesn't always exist for others. Shit can be shit and doesn't need to be tolerated, but alienating those we disagree with perpetuates this nonsense. This is how echo chambers intensify.

If you need/want to cut people out of your life for your own peace, by all means, do it. I would encourage you to soften to the idea that many others are doing the very hard work of slowly turning people's heads away from Fox News. Those people are needed. Please don't condemn them.

 

[stxjimmy]

Someone has to be the voice of reason in those circles. And cutting people out of your lives is a massive privilege that doesn't always exist for others. Shit can be shit and doesn't need to be tolerated, but alienating those we disagree with perpetuates this nonsense. This is how echo chambers intensify.

If you need/want to cut people out of your life for your own peace, by all means, do it. I would encourage you to soften to the idea that many others are doing the very hard work of slowly turning people's heads away from Fox News. Those people are needed. Please don't condemn them.

Apologies for going off the immediate topic but do you have an Australian perspective on Murdoch's world tour of toxicity? He's done a lot of harm in Australia, the UK and now America.

 

[Dribble]

Someone has to be the voice of reason in those circles. And cutting people out of your lives is a massive privilege that doesn't always exist for others. Shit can be shit and doesn't need to be tolerated, but alienating those we disagree with perpetuates this nonsense. This is how echo chambers intensify.

If you need/want to cut people out of your life for your own peace, by all means, do it. I would encourage you to soften to the idea that many others are doing the very hard work of slowly turning people's heads away from Fox News. Those people are needed. Please don't condemn them.

I disagree. This view of yours requires intelligence...and one half of the equation does not have it. See...these same people voted to overthrow the Govt. How can you reason with this? These same people refused to wear masks...or get vaccinated...how can you reason with this? There has be repercussions for their actions...their choices. The Govt will not solve this issue. If Republicans refuse to control their Right Wing....how will it be stopped? Money. Relationships. Otherwise....they are coming for contraception...they are coming for your voting rights...they are coming for gay marriage...change is not going to happen until American's decide losing friends...losing family...losing business...is more important that the ideology of their party.

 

[Diosax]

Someone has to be the voice of reason in those circles. And cutting people out of your lives is a massive privilege that doesn't always exist for others. Shit can be shit and doesn't need to be tolerated, but alienating those we disagree with perpetuates this nonsense. This is how echo chambers intensify.

If you need/want to cut people out of your life for your own peace, by all means, do it. I would encourage you to soften to the idea that many others are doing the very hard work of slowly turning people's heads away from Fox News. Those people are needed. Please don't condemn them.

This is technically true but the issue is that a lot of people don't call out people in those circles. They excuse them. "Oh uncle billie is just being uncle billi" "she means well she's just a little ignorant "


And that doesn't solve anything either

 

[cascadiabound]

"A world without the right to abortion is a world filled with suffering. Abortion opponents are uniquely unprepared for the reality they created."

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...hows-anti-abortion-movements-false-piety.html

 

[tnman03]

Someone has to be the voice of reason in those circles. And cutting people out of your lives is a massive privilege that doesn't always exist for others. Shit can be shit and doesn't need to be tolerated, but alienating those we disagree with perpetuates this nonsense. This is how echo chambers intensify.

If you need/want to cut people out of your life for your own peace, by all means, do it. I would encourage you to soften to the idea that many others are doing the very hard work of slowly turning people's heads away from Fox News. Those people are needed. Please don't condemn them.

I agree, don't close doors on the people you disagree with or whose conservatism, liberalism, religion, or otherwise offends you. Continue engaging with them and be the positive example that they observe and respect, disagree civilly, and provide a rational explanation with recommendations on how they can learn more. Of course, my opinion only.

This is technically true but the issue is that a lot of people don't call out people in those circles. They excuse them. "Oh uncle billie is just being uncle billi" "she means well she's just a little ignorant "


And that doesn't solve anything either

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it crumbled through inner rot and worse in short order resulting in its fall and the onset of the dark ages. Sometimes just because we don't see a breakthrough in the actions or words of someone we disagree with it doesn't mean we've failed. What we may not see is the seeds of doubt have been planted and that person may end up changing their viewpoint to something closer to yours. And that's just a thought. I also agree with you that sometimes we need to voice our disagreements, either in a civil manner or as loudly as we can.

"A world without the right to abortion is a world filled with suffering. Abortion opponents are uniquely unprepared for the reality they created."

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...hows-anti-abortion-movements-false-piety.html

Personally, I think that the brutal reality of what's been done is going to bring a lot more people around to the fact that the right to legal abortion is beyond the state's rights level. I recall reading an earlier post here pertaining to anti-abortion women having histories of abortions and realizing the need but hiding these beliefs. Now, this is out of the question in some states or a trigger law issue in others. How are they going to react when their daughters, mothers, or siblings find themselves in need of an abortion? I'm very certain this ugly mess is going to become even more of a political hot potato.

 

[cascadiabound]

 

[stxjimmy]

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/23/body-politics

The Wrath to Come: Gone With the Wind and the Lies America Tells by Sarah Churchwell will be published by Head of Zeus on 4 August.

An interesting read.

 

[Dribble]

Kumbiya my Lord...Kumbiya

Expecting to solve the issues caused by a dysfunctional political system through that same dysfunctional political system is ...dysfunctional.

Kumbiya my Lord...Kumbiya

 

[cascadiabound]

Thanks for sharing this link. The Guardian has done an excellent job summarizing the trajectory of reproductive care in the US and how arguments about abortion have been inextricably interwtined with white power/white supremacy/patriarchy and long standing nativist tendencies. "Race suicide" "Jews (or in prior decades Catholics) will not replace us" "A victory for white life" and henious barely cloaked racist comments from the likes of Pres Roosevelt: “I believe in children. I want to see enough of them and of the right kind.”

The clear eyed writing from our British friends is instructive. A worthy read.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/23/body-politics

The Wrath to Come: Gone With the Wind and the Lies America Tells by Sarah Churchwell will be published by Head of Zeus on 4 August.

An interesting read.

"Anyone who was startled by this reaction to the injection of race into a decision supposedly about women’s rights does not know the history of abortion law in America. It has always been a contest not only over women’s reproduction, but also over the reproduction of political power – because in a (putatively) representative democracy, power is a function of population. The assault on women’s rights is part of the wider move to reclaim the “commanding place” in society for a small minority of patriarchal white men. And, as Alito’s decision shows, where legal precedent and other justifications cannot be found, myth will fill the vacuum."

 

[cascadiabound]

Kumbiya my Lord...Kumbiya

Expecting to solve the issues caused by a dysfunctional political system through that same dysfunctional political system is ...dysfunctional.

Kumbiya my Lord...Kumbiya

And what other option have we?
It's vote and use political power to change the system and change legislation, organizing, work stoppages, pressure campaigns on businesses...
Or it's civil upheaval and violence.
I'm going to keep hoping that we can return previously guaranteed rights without needing to resort to insurrection.

If that's singing kumbiya... then I'm guilty

 

[cascadiabound]

The cruelties of the legal morass we are now living in. This is WRONG. It is UNNECESSARY. It is resulting in INCOMPETENT medical care and utterly avoidable endangering of maternal life and health.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...r-wanted-pregnancy-became-a-medical-nightmare

 

[jaF0]

But what will happen in November?

Will it begin to get better, or lead to much worse?

 

[cascadiabound]

I'm hoping some of these stories will break through people's apathy and they will vote like their lives and their rights depend on it.
'Cause it does.

 

[jaF0]

A Texas teen raises over $700k for abortions after Rep. Matt Gaetz mocked her​

Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz told a crowd in Tampa that "nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb," launching him into an online battle with a teenage activist.

 

[Dribble]

Remember the Equal Rights Amendment that was on its way to passing 40 years ago....then at the last minute was derailed by a certain group. That same group is who responsible for putting the Justices we have in now. THAT'S how long this has been planned. And maybe now you understand why we cannot pretend to fix this through the existing system. They have a 40 year head start. What businesses need is an emblem...something to put on their door...I support women's rights. So people can quickly identify where they should spend their money. Make those people...those businesses owned by those people...those States that support those people hurt economically

 

[jaF0]

Kansas? Huh.