So it was the Russians that allowed Trump to win??

[JackLuis]

Lindsey Graham says Russian hackers compromised his campaign

In an interview Wednesday with CNN, Graham said: “I do believe the Russians hacked into the DNC. I do believe they hacked into Podesta’s email account. They hacked into my campaign account. I do believe that all the information released publicly hurt Clinton and didn’t hurt Trump. I don't think the outcome of the election is in doubt. What we should do is not turn on each other but work as one people to push back on Russia.”

Speaking of the hacking of his own campaign, Graham said FBI officials informed him about the hack in August.

“Well our campaign vendor that we used was hacked. We were told by the FBI in August that we were hacked in June,” he said. “[Russia is] trying to destabilize democracy all over the world, not just here.”

Ms Lindsey was not a Trump supporter at any time and was a threat to the Orange Shit Gibbon, the Russians had to act!

Also, as I reported elsewhere, the link to the "Russians" was actually tenuous, the links traced back to a site in the Ukraine. The Ukraine is not the most liberal area having their own bouts with Neo-Nazies and Russian meddling.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Botany boy has effectively become one of our hapless resident KGB agents,

1st off....LMFAO!!! Your tears are delicious.

2nd...wren't you and yours the one claiming there was no funny buisness with our elections ever clearly making voter ID laws racist, sexist and xenophobic??

Better get some voter ID laws going...LOL

It was relatively easy for Putin to influence our election. He simply...

Did the US news medias job and exposed Clinton and the democrats for the shit bags they have become.

So now, Botany Boy and others want us to believe that the Russian variable in this situation was incidental and not one of the causative factors.

No, we just don't think exposing the truth = election manipulation.

So, we should just ignore what Putin did

What did he do that was so bad?

Did he send a few hundred thousand Russians to vote in key areas? No.

Did he hack the voting machines? No.

If ANYTHING the (D)'s have been caught by their own outrage with more votes for Clinton in Detroit than there are voters.

Good job (D)'s.

 

[JackLuis]

I don't think the Russians had that much influence on the election. Despite the fact that a lot of Demo's are running around with their hair on fire, Hillary's reputation and actions sank her chances in the heartland.

Add Trump's anti-establishment bombast and the Republicans ineptness in opposing him and we got the Orange Cheeto with his finger on the red button of Armageddon!

Putin will stroke Trump's ego and lead him around like a puppy. Vlad is KGB trained to do this and Trump is a chump. Vlad was just fucking with us and "SUPRISE!" America cut it's own throat.

Republican voter suppression accomplished it's task by slimming down the opposing votes and Voila! Instant disaster!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't think the Russians had that much influence on the election. Despite the fact that a lot of Demo's are running around with their hair on fire, Hillary's reputation and actions sank her chances in the heartland.

SO CLOSE!!! YOU had it in your hand.....hit the fucking nail on the head.

And then you go make it about something other than the fact that Clinton was a terrible candidate.

Republican voter suppression accomplished it's task by slimming down the opposing votes and Voila! Instant disaster!

It wasn't Republican voter suppression, which is little more than libby BULLSHIT anyhow. Nobody can show (R) forces preventing (D)'s from voting.

Clinton was just a horrible candidate running on a horrible platform.

(D)'s need to run someone more exciting with less baggage and not running on a "Fuck white people" platform.

 

[coati]

1st off....LMFAO!!! Your tears are delicious.

2nd...wren't you and yours the one claiming there was no funny buisness with our elections ever clearly making voter ID laws racist, sexist and xenophobic??

Better get some voter ID laws going...LOL



Did the US news medias job and exposed Clinton and the democrats for the shit bags they have become.



No, we just don't think exposing the truth = election manipulation.



What did he do that was so bad?

Did he send a few hundred thousand Russians to vote in key areas? No.

Did he hack the voting machines? No.

If ANYTHING the (D)'s have been caught by their own outrage with more votes for Clinton in Detroit than there are voters.

Good job (D)'s.

Botany Boy, you are so predictable. I suppose that is what makes you such a good soldier for anyone who knows which axes you like to grind.

I knew you would go into the classic BB point-by-point dissection mode, while supporting Putin's service to the U.S. for "exposing the truth". And like I said before, Hillary will no doubt be locked up for all her terrible transgressions. Thanks so much to those who exposed these terrible truths, over and over again for the last several years. Special thanks to Putin for doing it in such a dramatic way during the election. We sure did dodge a corruption bullet by electing Donald Trump.

By the way, this has nothing to do with voter fraud. I have no idea where you are going with that. This has to do with Putin influencing media stories and influencing patsies like you in a close election by selectively releasing stolen emails from one political party during a Presidential election. This was so easy to do, given the high population of useful idiots over here.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I knew you would go into the classic BB point-by-point dissection mode,

I like to be precise with my responses.

We sure did dodge a corruption bullet by electing Donald Trump.

Nah, but we did dodge another 4 years of NeoLib failure.....total mediocrity if you want to really church it up.

By the way, this has nothing to do with voter fraud.

So then the election was intact and totally valid!! Great glad we agree

I have no idea where you are going with that.

If nobody was committing voter fraud, voter intimidation or hacking the voting machines then the election was valid, and the loosers are just being crybabies.

This has to do with Putin influencing media stories and influencing patsies like you in a close election by selectively releasing stolen emails from one political party during a Presidential election.

Oh noes god forbid the public see anything except DNC approved media stories!!!!

That would be fucking criminal!!

Maybe if you and the (D)'s weren't so full of bull shit and corruption he wouldn't have to and it wouldn't matter if he did

Or better yet if Clinton had secured her shit properly it wouldn't be a fucking problem for her now would it??

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZCNGaafnAGk/hqdefault.jpg

Lesson learned (D)'s....nobody likes an unsecured foot locker.

This was so easy to do, given the high population of useful idiots over here.

So anyone who didn't buy into the DNC propaganda machine and didn't ignore everything except pro-Hillary media is a useful idiot???

LOL another hysterically sore losers total lack of self awareness put on grand display.

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I really have to thank people like you....you've by far been the best thing about Trump winning, it's going to be a glorious 4 years if for no other reason than watching you and yours freak out and fill your britches every time he does some shit EXACTLY like Clinton or Obama.

 

[JackLuis]

SO CLOSE!!! YOU had it in your hand.....hit the fucking nail on the head.
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It wasn't Republican voter suppression, which is little more than libby BULLSHIT anyhow. Nobody can show (R) forces preventing (D)'s from voting.
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No? Look at North Carolina, Alabama or ... Rethugs suppressed the vote in most of the south.

Or limiting the voting places to one per county which advantaged the rural counties at the expense of the Urban centers in Indiana. The Rethugs are sly and slimy.

North Carolina shaped the Election Boards so that the Governor could control them, but after the slimeball lost and a D took his place, the Rethugs are trying changing the rules so the D Gov will not have that power the R Gov had.

You spout a lot of shit but I seldom see you back anything up with citations, you never had debate training did you?

Even your boy Trump admits it.
Trump tells Pennsylvania fans they can thank African-Americans for not voting in November election

It would seem Donald Trump attributes his November win in part to the decrease in black voters at the polls.

The Associated Press reports that Trump’s Hershey, Pennsylvania victory tour speech featured a largely white crowd cheering on Trump’s declaration that African-Americans were “smart” to listen to his message and therefore “didn’t come out to vote” for Secretary Hillary Clinton.

 

[coati]

I really have to thank people like you....you've by far been the best thing about Trump winning, it's going to be a glorious 4 years if for no other reason than watching you and yours freak out and fill your britches every time he does some shit EXACTLY like Clinton or Obama.

BB, you really are smoking or vaping or ingesting way too much reefer. Don't count on 4 years. Trump will be very different from Clinton or Obama, enough so that he will probably be impeached with the assistance of his own party, and for more than just lying about a blow job. There has never been a candidate during my lifetime so unsuitable for the job or so ripe for conflict of interest as Donald Trump.

Trump will continue to be an embarrassment to our country, while you sit smugly on the sidelines thinking about how clever you were for not supporting either of the two main candidates. You continue to float outside the realm of reality while feeding your anger and resentment toward your scapegoat, those evil Ds. Your anger controls you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No?

No

The Rethugs are sly and slimy.

Yes they are but they didn't stop any D's from voting or voting D.

You spout a lot of shit but I seldom see you back anything up with citations, you never had debate training did you?

Actually I did, and I was really good at it but I don't find lit worth the time especially when most of it can be verified with a reference to public domain info such as DOJ/FBI unified crime reports etc.

I'm more than happy to call the regressive left propaganda rags wrong as fuck and just laugh at the idiots chugging their kool-aid.

Even your boy Trump admits it.

No he doesn't, that's RAW's interpretation of what he said.

And what he said was 100% true....he won because black folks didn't get out and vote.

Not because Republicans made sure they were prohibited from voting.

Not because Putin sent the spetsnaz to force people to vote for Trump.

It was because Clinton and her racist/sexist campaign were THAT bad.

She was the (D)'s Romney....so fucking disliked not even her own party would go vote for her to keep Cheeto Bineto out of office.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump will be very different from Clinton or Obama, enough so that he will probably be impeached with the assistance of his own party

He likely will be impeached for spitting on a sidewalk as fast as they can get rid of him.

But he wouldn't be any different from Clinton and Obama...an asshole with an executive order doing shit he shouldn't just because he can. I really hope we get to that point and you're served a SEVERE lesson in why limited government is a good thing.

There has never been a candidate during my lifetime so unsuitable for the job or so ripe for conflict of interest as Donald Trump.

Ok.

I disagree, I think he's exactly what we needed and I hope he fucks the all sorts of shit up and over. I'd have rather had a libertarian than a lefty Republican...but I'll take it over a racist neoLiberal globalist like Clinton.

Trump will continue to be an embarrassment to our country, while you sit smugly on the sidelines thinking about how clever you were for not supporting either of the two main candidates.

He was one of the two main candidates you moron.

It was him or Clinton.

And I'm not a big Trump supporter, because he's a lefty.

But I am a glad Clinton and her clan of bigotry and anti-American shit stain supporters got fuckin' stuffed, it's been fucking delicious watching you all spazz out...I just wish he had it in him to actually make what you fear most happen.

Freedom of speech...association.....commerce....private property....INDIVIDUAL rights and justice as opposed to social ones.

You know, the things that give people like you nightmares.

You continue to float outside the realm of reality while feeding your anger and resentment toward your scapegoat, those evil Ds. Your anger controls you.

How am I outside the realm of reality?

You're the one claiming Putin interfered with our election because he exposed what a shithead your candidate was.

They aren't a scapegoat, and I'm not angry.

They are the opposition, not scapegoats and I'm gloating because I enjoyed watching the bigoted, sexist regressive left get kicked in the balls...I'm gloating, not angry like the crying loosers trying to make up fake stories about how evil Putin RIGGED the election.....because he exposed what a piece of shit Clinton was LOL

 

[Sean Renaud]

Trump will not be impeached, it's hard to get past that level of cray cray. He'll be president in 2023 in all probability.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump will not be impeached, it's hard to get past that level of cray cray. He'll be president in 2023 in all probability.

If dems get congress back in 2 years Trump will be immediately executed as a traitor and mass murderer.

 

[JackLuis]

No
Yes they are but they didn't stop any D's from voting or voting D.

Actually I did, and I was really good at it but I don't find lit worth the time especially when most of it can be verified with a reference to public domain info such as DOJ/FBI unified crime reports etc.
No he doesn't, that's RAW's interpretation of what he said.

And what he said was 100% true....he won because black folks didn't get out and vote.

Not because Republicans made sure they were prohibited from voting.

Not because Putin sent the spetsnaz to force people to vote for Trump.

It was because Clinton and her racist/sexist campaign were THAT bad.

She was the (D)'s Romney....so fucking disliked not even her own party would go vote for her to keep Cheeto Bineto out of office.

You completely ignored my comments about the NC, the south, and Indiana because you would have to admit you were wrong and that would hurt your fragile ego.

I can not recall you ever citing any backup for your opinions, yet you say you have but never reiterate it when challenged, you are as bad as RU in that reguard.

I have to admit that he was talking about Penn, but it was a AP report, RAW just is an Aggregator.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You completely ignored my comments about the NC, the south, and Indiana because you would have to admit you were wrong and that would hurt your fragile ego.

No I just didn't think they were relevant, the GOP didn't prevent (D)'s from voting.

(D)'s just didn't go vote for Hillary, there wasn't ANYTHING stopping them from doing so.

If they don't like how their local operation is doing things then they should get the fuck off their ass, spend a little bit of time on your political well being and vote to change it.

Most people don't like to exercise, that doesn't mean you get to blame others for being a fat fuck when you won't put the fork down and move your ass.

I can not recall you ever citing any backup for your opinions,

That's a JackLouis problem, not a BotanyBoy problem.

yet you say you have but never reiterate it when challenged, you are as bad as RU in that reguard.

That's because I don't care.

I've linked citation repeatedly and it's 100% been ignored in favor of the (D) narrative and then called a racist, sexist white male oppressing everyone with my evil witness even though I'm not white.

So fuck it why should I try?

 

[coati]

How am I outside the realm of reality?

You're the one claiming Putin interfered with our election because he exposed what a shithead your candidate was.

They aren't a scapegoat, and I'm not angry.

They are the opposition, not scapegoats and I'm gloating because I enjoyed watching the bigoted, sexist regressive left get kicked in the balls...I'm gloating, not angry like the crying loosers trying to make up fake stories about how evil Putin RIGGED the election.....because he exposed what a piece of shit Clinton was LOL

Yes, in some ways you are behaving outside the realm of reality, running rant after rant based on your libertarian theories and resentments toward scapegoats. On top of all this, you think your bigoted views are somehow immune from criticism because you are asexual and have slanted eyes. You see yourself as a victim of your scapegoats who are the real bigots and sexists.

You definitely come off as a resentful man, probably somewhat meek in real life, but with guns and weapons to hold the world at bay and let "them" know you're mad as hell and not going to take it any more. Sometimes people talk big on the internet because the anonymity unleashes the suppressed aspects of their ego, and because they have the arms to "back it up". Your anger is medicated regularly with cannabis, which provides you with a rush of endorphins that mainly serves to reinforce a sense of intellectual superiority.

I know you boast about what a sweet life you live in California and you use the LOL acronym all the time, but I suspect you are not a happy camper in many ways. Since I was part of the Rory wager, I will be leaving Lit on January 1. Before I leave, I want to express my view that you can get more balance and happiness in your life.

There is a side of you we are not seeing as much on Lit. I remember you mentioned in another thread that you have a BFF, which shows you have the ability to form friendships that are based on compassion. If you don't try to relax in other ways besides mainly pot and reach out for help when you need it, you will probably continue to boil in an unhappy stew.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

At least he can come here and get it out rather than go shoot up a school, which is what he really wants to do.

Trump is a bone tossed to all the angry sexually frustrated men.


QUOTE=coati;82512156]Yes, in some ways you are behaving outside the realm of reality, running rant after rant based on your libertarian theories and resentments toward scapegoats. On top of all this, you think your bigoted views are somehow immune from criticism because you are asexual and have slanted eyes. You see yourself as a victim of your scapegoats who are the real bigots and sexists.

You definitely come off as a resentful man, probably somewhat meek in real life, but with guns and weapons to hold the world at bay and let "them" know you're mad as hell and not going to take it any more. Sometimes people talk big on the internet because the anonymity unleashes the suppressed aspects of their ego, and because they have the arms to "back it up". Your anger is medicated regularly with cannabis, which provides you with a rush of endorphins that mainly serves to reinforce a sense of intellectual superiority.

I know you boast about what a sweet life you live in California and you use the LOL acronym all the time, but I suspect you are not a happy camper in many ways. Since I was part of the Rory wager, I will be leaving Lit on January 1. Before I leave, I want to express my view that you can get more balance and happiness in your life.

There is a side of you we are not seeing as much on Lit. I remember you mentioned in another thread that you have a BFF, which shows you have the ability to form friendships that are based on compassion. If you don't try to relax in other ways besides mainly pot and reach out for help when you need it, you will probably continue to boil in an unhappy stew.[/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, in some ways you are behaving outside the realm of reality, running rant after rant based on your libertarian theories and resentments toward scapegoats.

You keep trying to make me resentful but laughing at the chickens coming home to roost isn't resentment, no matter how badly you wish it was.

On top of all this, you think your bigoted views

What bigotry?

RACIST!!! RACIST!!! That bullshit, the bullshit that cost (D) their ass this year....is bullshit.

You got nothing.

You definitely come off as a resentful man, probably somewhat meek in real life, but with guns and weapons to hold the world at bay and let "them" know you're mad as hell and not going to take it any more. Sometimes people talk big on the internet because the anonymity unleashes the suppressed aspects of their ego, and because they have the arms to "back it up". Your anger is medicated regularly with cannabis, which provides you with a rush of endorphins that mainly serves to reinforce a sense of intellectual superiority.

Wow that's quite the fantasy LOL

I know you boast about what a sweet life you live in California and you use the LOL acronym all the time, but I suspect you are not a happy camper in many ways. Since I was part of the Rory wager, I will be leaving Lit on January 1.

Of course not, (D)'s in California are doing all they can to keep me from making more money.

Shit is fucking irritating.

Before I leave, I want to express my view that you can get more balance and happiness in your life.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luvhoyK0qy1qhf777o1_500.gif

Yea and how do you suppose I do that oh wise holder of intellectual superiority??

There is a side of you we are not seeing as much on Lit. I remember you mentioned in another thread that you have a BFF, which shows you have the ability to form friendships that are based on compassion. If you don't try to relax in other ways besides mainly pot and reach out for help when you need it, you will probably continue to boil in an unhappy stew.

I have a few really great friendships and they aren't based on compassion but mutual respect, you should try it sometime you'll see what a fucking piece of shit most people are. Especially if you live in a dark blue city like LA, NYC, SF or Chicago.

I'm not all that unhappy despite your wishes for me to be.

 

[BotanyBoy]

At least he can come here and get it out rather than go shoot up a school, which is what he really wants to do.

And then there was the mind reader!! LOL

Talking out her ass because she can't make an argument for shit.

Trump is a bone tossed to all the angry sexually frustrated men.

Waaaaaaaaaa Hillary lost!! WAAAAAAAA!!!

 

[coati]

I have a few really great friendships and they aren't based on compassion but mutual respect, you should try it sometime you'll see what a fucking piece of shit most people are. Especially if you live in a dark blue city like LA, NYC, SF or Chicago.

I've said all I need to say to you. Time to expand the ignore list...

 

[JackLuis]

No I just didn't think they were relevant, the GOP didn't prevent (D)'s from voting.

(D)'s just didn't go vote for Hillary, there wasn't ANYTHING stopping them from doing so.

If they don't like how their local operation is doing things then they should get the fuck off their ass, spend a little bit of time on your political well being and vote to change it.

Most people don't like to exercise, that doesn't mean you get to blame others for being a fat fuck when you won't put the fork down and move your ass.

That's a JackLouis problem, not a BotanyBoy problem.

That's because I don't care.

I've linked citation repeatedly and it's 100% been ignored in favor of the (D) narrative and then called a racist, sexist white male oppressing everyone with my evil witness even though I'm not white.

So fuck it why should I try?

Oh BB
I don't even know why you come to the Politics board? You don't discuss politics you just argue a contrarian line with anyone who engages with you, or doesn't, for that matter. Don't you think that the GB is more your stye?

You say that you don't care? Well I can believe that, you don't care what people think or care to offer any respect for anyone who won't agree with you 100% and sling shit at any opinion, differing or not.

When confronted with facts, you just ignore them, say they don't matter, and sling more of your angry shit. The reason you get no respect is that you offer no respect to others. It's funny how that works, if you don't respect others they will not respect you!

You never cite anything supporting your positions. Yes, you SAY that you have, but show me any citations you have made and I might believe you.

The only reason I even put up with you is I understand the frustration and anger that comes from being exploited by the LBJ/GWB's of the world in order to advance the interests of the KBR/Halliburtion's. As a fellow paratrooper I felt it necessary to offer you some respect, but it is clear that you don't want that, you only want to be feared, but you aren't because you are in a situation where your vitriol can be ignored automatically with a simple press of a Iggy button.

 

[JackLuis]

It took Fox News three months to acknowledge the Russians hacked the election — but they finally did

After months of denying that the Russians had any involvement in the election, Fox News has finally revealed that the Russians hacked the election.

According to MediaMatters, Fox News’ chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge explained that the conservative network independently verified that the hack was real. Herridge reported that Russian cyber militias went after US systems as part of “an effort to interfere in the US election.”

“These operations were sanctioned by the highest levels of the Russian government,” Herridge continued. “After the FBI director’s July statement about the Clinton email investigation, a government source says there was a reluctance to further insert government institutions and their assessments into an already deeply politicized election cycle. A leading cybersecurity expert says the intelligence community reviewed the techniques, tactics, and procedures leveraged in the attacks and made the link to Russia. In October, the agencies and Homeland Security, or DHS, went on the record, though Putin was not mentioned by name.”

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've said all I need to say to you. Time to expand the ignore list...

Yea crawl under your rock.

The only reason I even put up with you

Then don't....just iggy me you condescending piece of shit.

 

[JackLuis]

Yea crawl under your rock.



Then don't....just iggy me you condescending piece of shit.

As you wish asshole!

 

[THECPKID]

I believe it was Hillary who ignored the heartland's concerns about the economy that lost it for her. She was associated with NAFTA, rightly so, and NAFTA drove millions of jobs out of the heartland. If Bernie hadn't drove her left, she would have lost even bigger.

I agree 10,000%

 

[urguyscott]

This was a close election in which Trump lost the popular vote by 2%, and won a few swing states by narrow margins. The story about Clinton being the more corrupt of the two main candidates was helped along by the Russians, but it was a story that the Republicans had been working on for a long time, even before they even knew who would get their nomination.

The thing is, they cultured so much hate for the Clintons, that they were willing to sell their souls to the devil himself. Trump will likely let everyone know exactly how corrupt, greedy, and unstable he really is in the months to come.

First it was not the Russians. Obama and Clinton have shown no proof. The only one to really listen to is the man who released the emails, etc.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange spoke Thursday, revealing that the Russian government was not his source for the hacked emails they released from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

“Our source is not the Russian government,” Assange said

Second if they hadn't written those emails there would not have been a problem. They showed what she thought of Sanders, the Democratic Party, the people, and the Constitution. And Hillary, when it comes to computer knowledge and security is the most uneducated person in the country. The emails were not government emails, but emails of her's and her people and she and they were one; responsible for what was in them; two their security; and three she was the boss and responsible for their content as it was carried out.

Third, why would the Russians want Clinton to lose? She is a political whore who sells her influence for money. Obama sold his country and the world out because of his upbringing as an anti American and his dealing with the corrupt gangster politics of Chicago and Ill. Both the Obama's and Clinton's have become millionaires out of bribes, kick backs and out right stealing from the people. At least Trump made his money through business. Clinton's only love for this country is the dollar bill. That is why she is trying every dirty move she can to overthrow the Constitution. And those counts that have been redone have been in Trumps favor. I would like to see the big cities that the corrupt democrat machines have ruled like slave masters for so long and Nev, Ill. Ca. a few others recounted and the illegal votes tossed out. Again it will be in Trumps favor.

You talk about "fake news". MSNBC and NBC and CNN are the worst followed by ABC, CBS and yes FOXX. Not one station has a real reporter. They are all talking heads with paid political agenda's. Even Yahool censors their news.

I know a lot of people on here are not that well educated and are easy to brain wash and would rather be slaves then free. That is their choice, but they can go to other countries to be that way. Leave us alone. We want honest politicians, not corrupt and incompetent fools like Clinton and Obama. Oh, I have yet to see any of the leftist communists that said they would move to Canada (yea not Russia or China or Cuba, or Iran or North Korea) leave this country and you won't. They just lied like they always do. They know that they too need an honest administration every few elections to undo the mess their people have got us into so they can keep on making money. (I enjoy seeing the rich bigots and fools giving away their money to Clinton and Obama. I wonder if they ever tried to find out where it really went to?)

And Hillary Clinton is responsible for people hating her, not trusting her, and knowing how corrupt and stupid she is. Without Hillary being Hillary she might have won the election.