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Hi Toni 
Hi Spencer and all
Just reading the last few post and if I may I'd just like to add a few words, mostly because The Passion is about to come out on tape and dvd and my son is very much wanting me to get it for him.
At 13 now and pretty sharp for his age with an understanding that thankfully not to many kids in America have about death and suffering, I still don't think I'd be doing him right to allow him to see it, but on the other hand it's almost like the old arguement with beer and booze. I'm thinking that what I'll do is watching it myself w/o him present and decide then if he can in my view deal with what is presented. If I think he can I'll sit with him and watch him as he watches it. If I don't allow him to see it with me, I have no doubt that he'll end up at a friends home watching it since to many of the parents around here take a very lazy way with their kids. Just like beer, while I'd rather he wait till he's 18 or older to drink if he's like I was he'll end up drinking just to see within the next few years, and I'd rather have him here to make sure he's safe and taken care of than parked somewhere sneaking it with someone that won't care for safety or whatever should he have a bad experience, but that's just my thinking and might not be anyone elses.
A good friends husband went against her wishes and took their 12 year old to see the passion and she was messed up badly. First evening and the following day she spent in her room with a blank look and didn't talk at all. The next 2 weeks were filled with suddend and uncontrolled crying. She (the daughter) didn't know how to stop it and the father thought and even told her she was a "wuss" which just caused more issues in my thinking.
I don't know of anyone that has forced their kids to see this movie, but I do know a lot of parents that either forgot or never learned to say no.
Hi Spencer and all
Just reading the last few post and if I may I'd just like to add a few words, mostly because The Passion is about to come out on tape and dvd and my son is very much wanting me to get it for him.
At 13 now and pretty sharp for his age with an understanding that thankfully not to many kids in America have about death and suffering, I still don't think I'd be doing him right to allow him to see it, but on the other hand it's almost like the old arguement with beer and booze. I'm thinking that what I'll do is watching it myself w/o him present and decide then if he can in my view deal with what is presented. If I think he can I'll sit with him and watch him as he watches it. If I don't allow him to see it with me, I have no doubt that he'll end up at a friends home watching it since to many of the parents around here take a very lazy way with their kids. Just like beer, while I'd rather he wait till he's 18 or older to drink if he's like I was he'll end up drinking just to see within the next few years, and I'd rather have him here to make sure he's safe and taken care of than parked somewhere sneaking it with someone that won't care for safety or whatever should he have a bad experience, but that's just my thinking and might not be anyone elses.
A good friends husband went against her wishes and took their 12 year old to see the passion and she was messed up badly. First evening and the following day she spent in her room with a blank look and didn't talk at all. The next 2 weeks were filled with suddend and uncontrolled crying. She (the daughter) didn't know how to stop it and the father thought and even told her she was a "wuss" which just caused more issues in my thinking.
I don't know of anyone that has forced their kids to see this movie, but I do know a lot of parents that either forgot or never learned to say no.
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Woodmiester said:Hi Toni
Hi Spencer and all
Just reading the last few post and if I may I'd just like to add a few words, mostly because The Passion is about to come out on tape and dvd and my son is very much wanting me to get it for him.
At 13 now and pretty sharp for his age with an understanding that thankfully not to many kids in America have about death and suffering, I still don't think I'd be doing him right to allow him to see it, but on the other hand it's almost like the old arguement with beer and booze. I'm thinking that what I'll do is watching it myself w/o him present and decide then if he can in my view deal with what is presented. If I think he can I'll sit with him and watch him as he watches it. If I don't allow him to see it with me, I have no doubt that he'll end up at a friends home watching it since to many of the parents around here take a very lazy way with their kids. Just like beer, while I'd rather he wait till he's 18 or older to drink if he's like I was he'll end up drinking just to see within the next few years, and I'd rather have him here to make sure he's safe and taken care of than parked somewhere sneaking it with someone that won't care for safety or whatever should he have a bad experience, but that's just my thinking and might not be anyone elses.
A good friends husband went against her wishes and took their 12 year old to see the passion and she was messed up badly. First evening and the following day she spent in her room with a blank look and didn't talk at all. The next 2 weeks were filled with suddend and uncontrolled crying. She (the daughter) didn't know how to stop it and the father thought and even told her she was a "wuss" which just caused more issues in my thinking.
I don't know of anyone that has forced their kids to see this movie, but I do know a lot of parents that either forgot or never learned to say no.
Let me post something that makes a lot of sense...
(Should your children see this film?
As many church congregations make plans to see “The Passion of the Christ,” some ministers and counselors are urging parents to use discretion before allowing their children to view the R-rated movie.
The film, which depicts the suffering and death of Jesus on the cross, includes scenes of torture and other violence.
The movie’s R rating normally would restrict viewing to those 17 and older, unless accompanied by a parent or adult guardian.
Family therapists with the Family and Children’s Counseling Centers in Louisville suggest that parents screen the movie and then talk with their children. Both say children younger than 13 or 14 probably shouldn’t see the movie.
“Know where your kid is emotionally and developmentally,” therapist Diana Delp says.)
That being said....there are parents that allow kids see R rated movies in there homes. With movie rentals, kids have seen things like horror movies where people are chopped up, stabbed, heads cuts off, dead bodies, and all kinds of other gore. And I know parents that let their 7,8 and 9 year olds watch this stuff.
I would say that if you allow your kids to see a lot of voilence in other types of movies, they maybe able to handle this. If you are a parent that has not allowed them to see this, then DO NOT show it to them. I would wait until they are older. I can not tell you an age, just as the therapist could not. It depends on where you kids is emotionally. Boys I would say would be more able to handle it then girls. I have grown women as daughters in their 20s and they have no desire to see it at all. Even tho we all know as adults the violence is fake... fake blood and all, there was a lot of real suffering that went on.
Jim Chevezel who played Jesus said the following happened to him...
When they were whipping him, there is one point where he is whipped and it took his breath away and his eyes almost popped open... that is when he really was hit with the whip.
When he is carrying the cross (which was a real cross and real timber weighing 150 pds - according to Jim) there is a place where he loses it and falls and Mary rushes up to him. He said what happen was from an old injury in football, his shoulder dislocated and he really was hurt and fell.
When he is hanging on the cross and he is nude for the most part, everyone below him, in between the shots, are wearing winter coats. He is having to be up there in winter temps and if you look closely, on his shoulders, one is higher then the other, and he said that was because his shoulder went out on him again while he was up there and had to push up on his legs to keep from being in horrible pain.
Jim who is also a Christian said, yea he went through his share of pain but nothing like what Jesus went through. When asked in an interview if Kids should see this. He said I would not let little kids see it, but teens should if they are old enough to handle it emotionally, but that would depend on the parent.
So again it goes back to... do you know your child and do you think they should see it?
If my kids were younger, I would let my son see it at the age of 15 or older, but I know my girls and even back then they would not want to see it would I would never make them see it. It should be their choice.
Only you know Woody what you should do but yes... see it yourself first... and then think about it.
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Good post/article spencer.
We all know if we have kids that the fine line between trying to be their friend and also a parent can come close or ever crossed to much. My thinking at this moment is not to let him see it. He just lost his last grandparent and 30 days later his mother who he knew was dying for the last 8 years and I think has handled things pretty well all in all, and a large part of that dealing with it I must be honest and admit was because of his faith and trust his teachers have instilled in him. But as his father I think I'd just as soon he not see the movie just in case that final "image" meaning the movie in whole might be the straw that causes his emotional dam to break. It's just not worth the chance the way I see it.
Anywho ..... Another summer flick, has hellboy been discussed? If so I missed it.
We all know if we have kids that the fine line between trying to be their friend and also a parent can come close or ever crossed to much. My thinking at this moment is not to let him see it. He just lost his last grandparent and 30 days later his mother who he knew was dying for the last 8 years and I think has handled things pretty well all in all, and a large part of that dealing with it I must be honest and admit was because of his faith and trust his teachers have instilled in him. But as his father I think I'd just as soon he not see the movie just in case that final "image" meaning the movie in whole might be the straw that causes his emotional dam to break. It's just not worth the chance the way I see it.
Anywho ..... Another summer flick, has hellboy been discussed? If so I missed it.
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Smart move
I think you are right Woody... he does not need to see it.
Again I would not let mine see if unless they were 16 or older.
As far as Hellboy... I had no idea what Hellboy was. I later found out it was another comic gone movie but I never saw it. I will see it on DVD but with the cost of movies nowadays, I wait for the DVD unless I know it is one I really want to see.
I think you are right Woody... he does not need to see it.
Again I would not let mine see if unless they were 16 or older.
As far as Hellboy... I had no idea what Hellboy was. I later found out it was another comic gone movie but I never saw it. I will see it on DVD but with the cost of movies nowadays, I wait for the DVD unless I know it is one I really want to see.
Ooooh -movie talk!
I've found that the films I enjoy the most are the ones you don't hear much about - the small productions that don't usually get much of an advertising budget. When you find one of those that you really like, it's like discovering a hidden treasure.
I only saw the last film of the LOTR trilogy. I wasn't really excited about seeing it because I usually don't care for that genre, but I have to say that I found myself 'getting into' it. I just saw this last week and need to see the first two parts.
It's gotten to the point where I will often go see a movie based on who's in it because I've found that some actors seem to make consistently good script choices. Usually, these actors don't appeal to me in a 'hunka hunka burning love' sort of way. I almost always like Jeff Bridges, Billy Bob Thornton, Sissy Spacek and William Macy films.
I don't go the movies as much as I used to because I live 45 miles from the closest theater but if I think it's something special, I'll make the trip.
I've found that the films I enjoy the most are the ones you don't hear much about - the small productions that don't usually get much of an advertising budget. When you find one of those that you really like, it's like discovering a hidden treasure.
I only saw the last film of the LOTR trilogy. I wasn't really excited about seeing it because I usually don't care for that genre, but I have to say that I found myself 'getting into' it. I just saw this last week and need to see the first two parts.
It's gotten to the point where I will often go see a movie based on who's in it because I've found that some actors seem to make consistently good script choices. Usually, these actors don't appeal to me in a 'hunka hunka burning love' sort of way. I almost always like Jeff Bridges, Billy Bob Thornton, Sissy Spacek and William Macy films.
I don't go the movies as much as I used to because I live 45 miles from the closest theater but if I think it's something special, I'll make the trip.
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Anyone else think that James Cann hasn't done a worth-seeing show, TV or movies since Brians Song?
Which by the way should be a classic imho
Which by the way should be a classic imho
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OK
I saw two movies this weekend.
The Manchurian Candidate - Was slow in the beginning and got better in the middle and end. Kind of figured out before the movie began from the promos that a certain character was the one behind all of the brain washing. I did not see the orginal so I can not compare the two, but I would say on a list of 1- 10 ... I would give it a 7.
The Villiage - Like all of his movies, the ending is surprising and for some you do not see it coming. However, I saw it coming. I figured out about mid-way what was going on. (sometimes I spoil for me.) It was ok and not his best. I would rate it a 5.
Sixth Sense is still his best.
I saw two movies this weekend.
The Manchurian Candidate - Was slow in the beginning and got better in the middle and end. Kind of figured out before the movie began from the promos that a certain character was the one behind all of the brain washing. I did not see the orginal so I can not compare the two, but I would say on a list of 1- 10 ... I would give it a 7.
The Villiage - Like all of his movies, the ending is surprising and for some you do not see it coming. However, I saw it coming. I figured out about mid-way what was going on. (sometimes I spoil for me.) It was ok and not his best. I would rate it a 5.
Sixth Sense is still his best.
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Haven't seen any movies. I usually don't until they are out on dvd and can rent them.
However, I wanted to share this with you and your friends here.
http://www.angel9oh7.com/todayisimportant.html
However, I wanted to share this with you and your friends here.
http://www.angel9oh7.com/todayisimportant.html
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hope Uins have agood day
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Just wanted to drop by briefly and say "Hello" to everyone. I'm still awaiting surgery, seeing doctors and dealing with the ever increasing pain and misery and combating feelings of frustration with life and my medical condition.
Glad to hear you got a job Spencer
; I knew you could do it!!!
I've read through most of the posts and must admit I haven't seen a movie in a threatre in over a year. Doesn't that suck! Anyway from what folks tell me, Catwoman isn't what they expected it to be but the guys all said they went, of course, to check out Halle Berry. Unfortunately it doesn't stack up to the nude scene of her in the last James Bond movie; that had most guys drooling, hehehe.
Well I'm not suppose to be upright too long so I'd best sign off and say "aloha" to all. Glad Gil was able to pass the message along about my surgery being postponed. Take care everyone and congrats again Spencer!!!
Lots of love,
shadow
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Glad to hear you got a job Spencer
; I knew you could do it!!! I've read through most of the posts and must admit I haven't seen a movie in a threatre in over a year. Doesn't that suck! Anyway from what folks tell me, Catwoman isn't what they expected it to be but the guys all said they went, of course, to check out Halle Berry. Unfortunately it doesn't stack up to the nude scene of her in the last James Bond movie; that had most guys drooling, hehehe.
Well I'm not suppose to be upright too long so I'd best sign off and say "aloha" to all. Glad Gil was able to pass the message along about my surgery being postponed. Take care everyone and congrats again Spencer!!!
Lots of love,
shadow
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Hi Spenser just giving you a friendly bump cause I miss you hon...
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Good morning Spenser and friends. Hope you are all having a wonderful day!
Shadow good to see you. Hang in there, sweetie! In no time at all you will be better and up and running, well maybe not running, but up and around. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
((((((((((((Spenser)))))))))))))))))
Shadow good to see you. Hang in there, sweetie! In no time at all you will be better and up and running, well maybe not running, but up and around. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
((((((((((((Spenser)))))))))))))))))
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I am so sorry.
Shadow I hope the surgery is soon and that your pain will be over soon. There are two pains that are unbearable... back and teeth. Those are just the most unreal pains and you wonder if you will ever be free of it and some never are. I have a friend who the only way to be free of his was to have a pump put into this body that shot morphene into his spine all the time. You may look into that.
Loving thoughts and prayers your way hon.
shadow_dreamer said:Just wanted to drop by briefly and say "Hello" to everyone. I'm still awaiting surgery, seeing doctors and dealing with the ever increasing pain and misery and combating feelings of frustration with life and my medical condition.
Glad to hear you got a job Spencer
I've read through most of the posts and must admit I haven't seen a movie in a threatre in over a year. Doesn't that suck! Anyway from what folks tell me, Catwoman isn't what they expected it to be but the guys all said they went, of course, to check out Halle Berry. Unfortunately it doesn't stack up to the nude scene of her in the last James Bond movie; that had most guys drooling, hehehe.
Well I'm not suppose to be upright too long so I'd best sign off and say "aloha" to all. Glad Gil was able to pass the message along about my surgery being postponed. Take care everyone and congrats again Spencer!!!
Lots of love,
shadow
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Shadow I hope the surgery is soon and that your pain will be over soon. There are two pains that are unbearable... back and teeth. Those are just the most unreal pains and you wonder if you will ever be free of it and some never are. I have a friend who the only way to be free of his was to have a pump put into this body that shot morphene into his spine all the time. You may look into that.
Loving thoughts and prayers your way hon.
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afternoon folks
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Re: I am so sorry.
Thank you Spenser for your thoughts and prayers. I recall hearing from other friends about knowing someone in the similar situation and having a pump with morphine that is dispensed as needed/prescribed. I have a high tolerance, or as my SO says who has a low threshold for pain, I'm ridiculously unreal when comes to pain and not taking pain meds until it's too excruciating. My scale of 1 to 10 is others 20 to 50 as he puts it eloquently to my doctor, lol. Therefore I try not to take too many pain pills since I don't want to take the chance of getting addicted to them (I had a problem in my younger years with this).
I am notorious when it comes to putting up a facade when others are around so they don't see my pain until I can no longer hide it and excuse myself and head to bed. Yes I know that is wrong but that's me.
I have to admit It's very frustrating and I feel really bad for my SO who has been so worried, caring and having to deal with my frustration and up and down bouts of tears/depression for the past year and 8 months (since my car accident). I guess I can't wait to regain some normalcy in my life and at least have the ability to enjoy life upright for more than 30 minutes.
Okay time to get off of my soap box; I've ranted, raved and vented and whined enough. Sorry about that folks!
Take care everyone and I'll let you know by the 10th if surgery is on or off again. Until then I will try to check in when I can.
Aloha,
shadow
Hope everyone on the East coast is safe. The news speaks of the hurricane heading inland. Stay safe everyone!
Thank you Spenser for your thoughts and prayers. I recall hearing from other friends about knowing someone in the similar situation and having a pump with morphine that is dispensed as needed/prescribed. I have a high tolerance, or as my SO says who has a low threshold for pain, I'm ridiculously unreal when comes to pain and not taking pain meds until it's too excruciating. My scale of 1 to 10 is others 20 to 50 as he puts it eloquently to my doctor, lol. Therefore I try not to take too many pain pills since I don't want to take the chance of getting addicted to them (I had a problem in my younger years with this).
I am notorious when it comes to putting up a facade when others are around so they don't see my pain until I can no longer hide it and excuse myself and head to bed. Yes I know that is wrong but that's me.
I have to admit It's very frustrating
and I feel really bad for my SO who has been so worried, caring and having to deal with my frustration and up and down bouts of tears/depression for the past year and 8 months (since my car accident). I guess I can't wait to regain some normalcy in my life and at least have the ability to enjoy life upright for more than 30 minutes. Okay time to get off of my soap box; I've ranted, raved and vented and whined enough. Sorry about that folks!
Take care everyone and I'll let you know by the 10th if surgery is on or off again. Until then I will try to check in when I can.
Aloha,
shadow
Hope everyone on the East coast is safe. The news speaks of the hurricane heading inland. Stay safe everyone!
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Wow... I really don't know what to say.
You know... it is times like this that I wish I had the gift of healing.
I see the suffering of so many. My ex's mom is dying of cancer, and looks like she will be gone soon. My mom has emphozema (sorry about the spelling) I have a friend who has gone blind, and I have a friend who has a brain tumor. I hate to see you going thru this but know that I thinking and praying for you.
You know... it is times like this that I wish I had the gift of healing.
I see the suffering of so many. My ex's mom is dying of cancer, and looks like she will be gone soon. My mom has emphozema (sorry about the spelling) I have a friend who has gone blind, and I have a friend who has a brain tumor. I hate to see you going thru this but know that I thinking and praying for you.
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Seems many folks just think those having back pain and headaches are bullshitting and I hope they never have to find out just how bad either can be , or have to bad luck to suffer both.
I'm long overdue for the series but have you ever heard of or considered a series of 3 to 5 injections into the spinal column (sp) instead if the morphine pump?
They use a combo of 3 drugs, one is a steroid, one is morphine and the other I can't remember its name but joins the others in a somewhat jelled mix that lets it all slwoly release so it last anyehre from 10 to 18 months on average. It works great and only 1 nights stay in the hospital is required each injection which are spaced out 10 days apart.
I'm long overdue for the series but have you ever heard of or considered a series of 3 to 5 injections into the spinal column (sp) instead if the morphine pump?
They use a combo of 3 drugs, one is a steroid, one is morphine and the other I can't remember its name but joins the others in a somewhat jelled mix that lets it all slwoly release so it last anyehre from 10 to 18 months on average. It works great and only 1 nights stay in the hospital is required each injection which are spaced out 10 days apart.
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will be praying for you shadow as it sounds like you have alot to deal with
I know what Spenser means also as my Mom has breast cancer,and i have another friend who is dying of leukemia, my dad has emphysema ...my daughter's friend does also and STILL SMOKES ( makes me sooo mad)
My gram just died a year ago in October and I thought she'd ALWAYS be here for me .***** really is short and we need to take care of ourselves the best we can ,hell I am 47 years old and they just got around to getting me corrective shoes recently,I have very high-arched feet and toes that curl due to Charcot-marie-tooth disease ..its also called Spinal Musular atrophy( a genetic disease) or a wasting away of the muscles..I was told I will be in a wheelchair by age 60 but I am fighting that ..
I have a wonderful bf who loves me and is a Godsend...he gives me the most wonderful foot massages
anyways ..I hope all goes well shadow and that your pain will be healed one way or another ..
I know what Spenser means also as my Mom has breast cancer,and i have another friend who is dying of leukemia, my dad has emphysema ...my daughter's friend does also and STILL SMOKES ( makes me sooo mad)
My gram just died a year ago in October and I thought she'd ALWAYS be here for me .***** really is short and we need to take care of ourselves the best we can ,hell I am 47 years old and they just got around to getting me corrective shoes recently,I have very high-arched feet and toes that curl due to Charcot-marie-tooth disease ..its also called Spinal Musular atrophy( a genetic disease) or a wasting away of the muscles..I was told I will be in a wheelchair by age 60 but I am fighting that ..
I have a wonderful bf who loves me and is a Godsend...he gives me the most wonderful foot massages
anyways ..I hope all goes well shadow and that your pain will be healed one way or another ..
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I've gone through the spinal injections and the last one didn't help; in fact, it didn't last for more than a month. I was put on the steroid program for a week and although it seemed to help but very little.
As for the combo of 3 drugs, here in Hawaii the doctors tend to stay away from that especially when I am allergic to certain drugs and there are some drugs I and my doctors don't know how I will react, sad to say. We're slow in the medical field here and with their hands tied by administrators and politicians it's worse. We are a screwed up, neanderthal mentality type of state that is slow to get on the band wagon with many things.
Thank you for your info. It's storming here in the state and right now my island is under a flash flood watch. Had very, very loud thunder and beautiful but dangerous lightning show in the early hours of the morning and that got me and my SO wide awake and it jolted us up in bed. That didn't help my back any and today the chill is just reeking havoc on my back. Hopefully we don't lose power like some places already have and get flooded like a lot of places are.
Take care everyone, my time for sitting up is now over and have to go back to bed.
Aloha everyone from soggy Hawaii,
shadow
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Originally posted by ~Dream~
will be praying for you shadow as it sounds like you have alot to deal with
I know what Spenser means also as my Mom has breast cancer,and i have another friend who is dying of leukemia, my dad has emphysema ...my daughter's friend does also and STILL SMOKES ( makes me sooo mad)
My gram just died a year ago in October and I thought she'd ALWAYS be here for me .***** really is short and we need to take care of ourselves the best we can ,hell I am 47 years old and they just got around to getting me corrective shoes recently,I have very high-arched feet and toes that curl due to Charcot-marie-tooth disease ..its also called Spinal Musular atrophy( a genetic disease) or a wasting away of the muscles..I was told I will be in a wheelchair by age 60 but I am fighting that ..
I have a wonderful bf who loves me and is a Godsend...he gives me the most wonderful foot massages
anyways ..I hope all goes well shadow and that your pain will be healed one way or another ..
Thank you Dream. I'm sorry to hear about the suffering you and your loved ones are going through and your loss. It's true, life is short and we have to enjoy ourselves the best we can amd within limits of course.
I just made 47 on Sunday and my bf took me out to dinner the night before to celebrate. It was a beautiful dinner and he was very caring and concerned about my being out and about and sitting throughout the dinner that I put up a good farce (?) and eased his concerns a little so he could enjoy dinner with me.
But after dinner we had to rush to the hospital because my nieces 3 year old son had a seizure (his first ever) while at the airport seeing his cousin off. His poor mom, my niece didn't know what to do. Luckily there were two nurses and an EMT in the area and they rushed to help the baby and got an ambulance for them as well as helping with the 3 other kids my niece was watching at that time. Anyway, after almost 5 hours the baby was sent home and has been doing good. But that night really took its toll on me and I'm still paying the price although here I am stubborn as a mule (or worse if there's anything worse than a mule, lol) sitting at the computer. But my limit has passed and time to say aloha.
Guess we're both lucky to have bf's who are so caring and loving. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Take care,
shadow
