Surviving fascism

[Yarglenurp]

Remember Spring 2020. This was our chance to restart everything. Every country was in the same situation.. borders closed, lockdowns. And we worked together.i was hoping they do a world summit and after they announce All central banks, national banks, stock exchange, will be closed. Same WCOand WTO no national debts or trade treaties. All resources go on the table an will be t equally equally shared
Would that been nice. But no, they leaders all talked to their own country people, And after I heard 2or3 of them I knew there be no change. " .... Difficult times for all, bu the government working hard to make sure things are getting better back to norma again..

Well, if the last election had taught you anything, it’s that people are greedy and short-sighted.

One thing I keep in mind is that a lot of people voting for trump aren’t stupid. They see the chaos an incompetent leader would cause, and they like it. Hell, he’s 78. This means they think that, at the end of the day, they think they will somehow profit from the chaos he will cause.

The country as a whole is on the decline not because of trump, but because the majority of the country no longer believes in strengthening it, but weakening it for their own gain.

A strong country can survive a bad leader for a short period of time. No country can survive its own people believing that their personal gain relies on the nation’s weakness.

 

[SimonDoom]

The country as a whole is on the decline not because of trump, but because the majority of the country no longer believes in strengthening it, but weakening it for their own gain.

I don't see a country in decline. I see a country that, for all its challenges and problems, is better than it was in the past. Try to pick a point in the past when the country was "better" than it is now. I don't see it.

The country is in transition. That's always been true, and people have always lamented the things left behind when change happens. But it keeps happening, and the sky doesn't fall. It won't fall this time.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Reagan was going to get us into WW3 and bring back lynchings.


Somehow, neither materialized.


But Chicken Little is alive and well . . . .

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Real fascism was just defeated by Donald Trump. The American people just issued the Biden Administration a stunning rejection.

You may be surprised to learn that Biden wasn’t on a ticket in 2024.

 

[SimonDoom]

Reagan was going to get us into WW3 and bring back lynchings.


Somehow, neither materialized.


But Chicken Little is alive and well . . . .

Every election, we're told, "This is the most important election of our lifetime." I've been hearing that since the first election I paid attention to, which was the Reagan-Carter election in 1980.

It helps to study history. You realize that things are much less new and surprising and scary than many people think they are. Sure, we're fucked up now. We were even more fucked up in the past. Somehow, we get through the fuckery. We're still fucked up, but maybe just a little less fucked up than before.

This is the SimonDoom quasi-optimistic theory of history.

 

[Politruk]

Fascism is based on Palingenetic ultranationalistic populism.

Palingenetic means rebirth or regeneration, more specifically a cleansing such. Once the unwanted elements are washed away, eliminated, or destroyed the remaining old core will bring about a new dawn and reach their proper place.

Ultranationalistic means that the nation, its traditions, and the corresponding sense of unity is paramount. This means that it isn't really possible to import fascism to one country from another—each nation must have its own, and it will express itself in different ways.

Populism means appeal to the masses, usually by appeals to feelings, "common sense", revanchism, or disenfranchisement, and the assertion that the speaker is the true representative of the masses. Often the established elites are the target for this. However, populism in this regard carries a highly elitist core, since the masses are not expected to themselves influence the (self-appointed) leader; they are to follow.

That shoe fits the Trump movement.

It also fits the Reagan Revolution, if anyone can remember back that far.

 

[Politruk]

Every election, we're told, "This is the most important election of our lifetime." I've been hearing that since the first election I paid attention to, which was the Reagan-Carter election in 1980.

Well, that was the most important election since 1932.

 

[Lazaran]

Reagan was going to get us into WW3 and bring back lynchings.


Somehow, neither materialized.


But Chicken Little is alive and well . . . .

Wat is an idjit:

Reagan’s “Iran Contra”, “Star Wars” and “Trickle Down Economics” fiascos (among other things) were pretty much the end of the world for maaaaaany people.

The Reagan Courts sure fucked over average Americans and the world as well.

Wat probably shouldn’t cite one of the worst (most regressive) Presidents in American history when trying to make a point about people overreacting to DonOld (who has already fucked over maaaaany Americans and people around the world.)



Wat

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Every election, we're told, "This is the most important election of our lifetime." I've been hearing that since the first election I paid attention to, which was the Reagan-Carter election in 1980.

It helps to study history. You realize that things are much less new and surprising and scary than many people think they are. Sure, we're fucked up now. We were even more fucked up in the past. Somehow, we get through the fuckery. We're still fucked up, but maybe just a little less fucked up than before.

This is the SimonDoom quasi-optimistic theory of history.

I can agree, and do.


BTW, what a real landslide looks like:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbygnpTXMAMuqhN?format=jpg&name=small

 

[SimonDoom]

I can agree, and do.


BTW, what a real landslide looks like:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbygnpTXMAMuqhN?format=jpg&name=small

Yes, and Reagan won the popular vote 58.8 percent to 40.6 percent. This election by comparison was close. I don't see us having a 1984 style landslide again unless the political landscape changes a lot.

 

[Comshaw]

Reagan was going to get us into WW3 and bring back lynchings.


Somehow, neither materialized.


But Chicken Little is alive and well . . . .

That's very true but he also started the demise of unions and in so doing the decline of the middle class. Ronnie convinced people they could do better on their own, could do it without a union. It was a divide-and-conquer tactic and it worked. If you don't believe that check the graph below. It isn't a coincidence that the decline of the middle class and the destruction of unions damn never mirror each other. I'd believe that if it went on for a few years, but over a 44 year span? Nope, not a coincidence.

Be that as it may, I think the Dems ought to step back and take a long look at why they lost. Yes, some of it was because of the buzzwords they like to use, "misogynistic" "racist" and many others. But not enough to account for the win we just saw. However, Trump won not only the Electoral College but also the popular vote. On top of that the Dems lost the Senate and may lose the House. The majority of the American people have spoken. The Dems need to quit with the finger-pointing and figure out why.

The Dems, just like the Repubs have gravitated toward the extreme. The more the parties pull at each other, the farther they go into the extreme side of their political philosophy. Perhaps it's time for the Dems to gravitate back toward the center. Time to pull some of those who voted for Trump back over the line. And they WILL NOT do that until they get back to a moderate stance.



Comshaw

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Yes, and Reagan won the popular vote 58.8 percent to 40.6 percent. This election by comparison was close. I don't see us having a 1984 style landslide again unless the political landscape changes a lot.

Actually, this election wasn't as close as I thought it could very well be.

 

[Yarglenurp]

I don't see a country in decline. I see a country that, for all its challenges and problems, is better than it was in the past. Try to pick a point in the past when the country was "better" than it is now. I don't see it.

The country is in transition. That's always been true, and people have always lamented the things left behind when change happens. But it keeps happening, and the sky doesn't fall. It won't fall this time.

I think the decline can be seen in the standard of living declining over the last ten years. A freeze in the expected lifespan, a decline in the inflation-corrected wage, soaring housing and education prices. Right now, people are being promised a future where they don’t really have one… they’re being told they’ll be replaced with AI and end up homeless while the rich have robo-butlers auto-managing stock portfolios for them.

It’s all there, and it’s why most people know trump sucks as a human being. They just don’t care, because decades of putting in qualified people hasn’t helped them get richer, which is what they really want. They don’t give a shit if Trump rapes babies to death, long as it’s someone else’s babies. They literally are happy with burning down society because they see no future for themselves in it. Crab bucket mentality.

 

[Yarglenurp]

That's very true but he also started the demise of unions and in so doing the decline of the middle class. Ronnie convinced people they could do better on their own, could do it without a union. It was a divide-and-conquer tactic and it worked. If you don't believe that check the graph below. It isn't a coincidence that the decline of the middle class and the destruction of unions damn never mirror each other. I'd believe that if it went on for a few years, but over a 44 year span? Nope, not a coincidence.

Be that as it may, I think the Dems ought to step back and take a long look at why they lost. Yes, some of it was because of the buzzwords they like to use, "misogynistic" "racist" and many others. But not enough to account for the win we just saw. However, Trump won not only the Electoral College but also the popular vote. On top of that the Dems lost the Senate and may lose the House. The majority of the American people have spoken. The Dems need to quit with the finger-pointing and figure out why.

The Dems, just like the Repubs have gravitated toward the extreme. The more the parties pull at each other, the farther they go into the extreme side of their political philosophy. Perhaps it's time for the Dems to gravitate back toward the center. Time to pull some of those who voted for Trump back over the line. And they WILL NOT do that until they get back to a moderate stance.

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Comshaw

I disagree. Dems are extremely centrist, there is no real left at all. Most of the arguments about the dems being too left is coming from repubs, who make free school lunches sound like evil incarnate.

More importantly, it’s being defined by your enemies. The repubs totally ignore what the dems say about them, and even embrace it when it suits their purposes. As the last election shows, embracing evil is a perfectly fine way of winning.

I think the core issue is that dems aren’t seen as genuine on anything. They are the guys who keep the lights on but do the bare minimum. Whenever someone on their side starts rising high, they pull them down and replace them with someone more moderate and measured.

If the dems survive, they’ll do it by embracing the “leftist” label and actually put forward economic leftist policies. UBI, actual universal healthcare, etc. everything the dems come up with now are just half-measures… death by a thousand cuts is still death. Obamacare is a perfectly example of that. A compromise that no one likes.

Assuming they don’t get purged, Russia-style, of course.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Well, if the last election had taught you anything, it’s that people are greedy and short-sighted.

One thing I keep in mind is that a lot of people voting for trump aren’t stupid. They see the chaos an incompetent leader would cause, and they like it. Hell, he’s 78. This means they think that, at the end of the day, they think they will somehow profit from the chaos he will cause.

The country as a whole is on the decline not because of trump, but because the majority of the country no longer believes in strengthening it, but weakening it for their own gain.

A strong country can survive a bad leader for a short period of time. No country can survive its own people believing that their personal gain relies on the nation’s weakness.

Gaslight much?

 

[Yarglenurp]

Gaslight much?

I don’t need to do jack shit. Trump will do it for me. Go trump!

 

[Lazaran]

That's very true but he also started the demise of unions and in so doing the decline of the middle class. Ronnie convinced people they could do better on their own, could do it without a union. It was a divide-and-conquer tactic and it worked. If you don't believe that check the graph below. It isn't a coincidence that the decline of the middle class and the destruction of unions damn never mirror each other. I'd believe that if it went on for a few years, but over a 44 year span? Nope, not a coincidence.

Be that as it may, I think the Dems ought to step back and take a long look at why they lost. Yes, some of it was because of the buzzwords they like to use, "misogynistic" "racist" and many others. But not enough to account for the win we just saw. However, Trump won not only the Electoral College but also the popular vote. On top of that the Dems lost the Senate and may lose the House. The majority of the American people have spoken. The Dems need to quit with the finger-pointing and figure out why.

The Dems, just like the Repubs have gravitated toward the extreme. The more the parties pull at each other, the farther they go into the extreme side of their political philosophy. Perhaps it's time for the Dems to gravitate back toward the center. Time to pull some of those who voted for Trump back over the line. And they WILL NOT do that until they get back to a moderate stance.

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Comshaw

Thumbs up for the graph.

Kinda hard to argue with that.

The graph on the rise in the national debt starting with Reagan is pretty convincing as well.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

That's very true but he also started the demise of unions and in so doing the decline of the middle class. Ronnie convinced people they could do better on their own, could do it without a union. It was a divide-and-conquer tactic and it worked. If you don't believe that check the graph below. It isn't a coincidence that the decline of the middle class and the destruction of unions damn never mirror each other. I'd believe that if it went on for a few years, but over a 44 year span? Nope, not a coincidence.

Be that as it may, I think the Dems ought to step back and take a long look at why they lost. Yes, some of it was because of the buzzwords they like to use, "misogynistic" "racist" and many others. But not enough to account for the win we just saw. However, Trump won not only the Electoral College but also the popular vote. On top of that the Dems lost the Senate and may lose the House. The majority of the American people have spoken. The Dems need to quit with the finger-pointing and figure out why.

The Dems, just like the Repubs have gravitated toward the extreme. The more the parties pull at each other, the farther they go into the extreme side of their political philosophy. Perhaps it's time for the Dems to gravitate back toward the center. Time to pull some of those who voted for Trump back over the line. And they WILL NOT do that until they get back to a moderate stance.

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Comshaw

Comshaw: You’ve struck on a number of things that need to be heard and amplified.

Regan’s attack on the PATCO strike [which the union refused to lead] became the pattern for strikes everywhere [Thatcher, etc.].

You are also correct that the decades long suppression of class struggle is no accident. True. But again, the same pattern of tactics are seen everywhere, in every industry and trade, and in every country.

Whenever ‘fascism’ is mentioned, answers are all over the board. Trotsky saw that, and wrote down his observations [until Stalin had him struck down]. If today’s Trotskyists have to define ‘fascism’ in one word, it would be ‘counterrevolution.’ And that is the term by which they describe working class decline and the destruction of unions.

The Democratic Party cannot “return” to pre-1980s years because they are not working class people. Randi Weingarten [National teacher’s union] makes some $500,000 / year.

Whenever the working class is defeated, there are always class issues at stake.

One last point for now. As you know, socialists get blamed for everything. Why? Socialists posit ACTUALLY revolution to counterrevolution.

More later.

 

[Politruk]

If today’s Trotskyists

Are they at all relevant any more? Even compared to Stalinists?

 

[AceDesSpades]

People who think Preppers are insane talking about survival...

4Cs

 

[Politruk]

People who think Preppers are insane talking about survival...

4Cs

They are. Even when things do fall apart, their way is not the way to survive.

 

[AceDesSpades]

That's why they hate the Boy Scouts: Be Prepared
The prepared aren't waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their emotional rescue

 

[Wat_Tyler]

They are. Even when things do fall apart, their way is not the way to survive.

Constantly Counting Cartridge Cost????

 

[AceDesSpades]

Good one! Tai has le! (So Timmah! can understand)

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Caustic Cunts Constantly Carping . . . .