Texas, Where Idiots are Bigger!

[Sean Renaud]

We could easily make life hell for Texas if they didn't leave under terms we found beneficial.

 

[Real_American17]

We could easily make life hell for Texas if they didn't leave under terms we found beneficial.

No we couldn't.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why not? Simply refusing to trade with them would make their lives miserable, telling other nations like China and the EU not to and they'd essentually be a third world nation. And that's assuming they could hold together if we did trade with them.

 

[Real_American17]

Why not? Simply refusing to trade with them would make their lives miserable, telling other nations like China and the EU not to and they'd essentually be a third world nation. And that's assuming they could hold together if we did trade with them.

Why would the American people support it? Most don't even support the embargo on Cuba.

Why would the rest of the world listen? Texas has so much stuff it export, beef, oil, steel, etc.

The world wants goods, Texas has goods to sell, America will get told to fuck off and eat shit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

First the American people =/=Congress and the President. And most of us don't support and embargo on Cuba is first only barely true and most of us don't think Cuba did anything to us. Texas would be traitors and treated as such.

Why would the rest of the world listen? As you point out quislings rule the world and they listen to us. Your exports aren't worth pissing off the whole of America. You live in a fantasy.

 

[Real_American17]

First the American people =/=Congress and the President.

Congress is elected by people. If Congress thinks it will cost them a reelection, they will not mess with Texas.

And most of us don't support and embargo on Cuba is first only barely true and most of us don't think Cuba did anything to us. Texas would be traitors and treated as such.

Leaving the union is not treason. They entered the union, they may exit the union.

Why would the rest of the world listen? As you point out quislings rule the world and they listen to us. Your exports aren't worth pissing off the whole of America. You live in a fantasy.

Because pissing on America is unimportant, what's gonna happen? Will the US invade any nation trading with Texas? Will they put sanctions on them?

There are hundreds of nations, the major world economies are not going to allow a domestic dispute between the US and one of it's former States to dictate who they trade with.

They need goods, they need money, trading with Texas is in their interest.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Congress is elected by people. If Congress thinks it will cost them a reelection, they will not mess with Texas.

Leaving the union is not treason. They entered the union, they may exit the union.

Because pissing on America is unimportant, what's gonna happen? Will the US invade any nation trading with Texas? Will they put sanctions on them?

There are hundreds of nations, the major world economies are not going to allow a domestic dispute between the US and one of it's former States to dictate who they trade with.

They need goods, they need money, trading with Texas is in their interest.

You think dealing with traitors would cost them an election? You don't know Americans at all. If nothing else we are a vindictive and petty bunch.

No, we aren't going to give them great trade deals. We might sanction them but that's unlikely but even an unfavorable trade deal with us is good reason to do what we want.

There are only a handful of nations that matter. Good luck getting those hundreds. They need goods and money and America will have far more of all of those than Texas. And don't forget Texas is effectively limited in it's trade with Asia.

 

[Real_American17]

You think dealing with traitors would cost them an election? You don't know Americans at all. If nothing else we are a vindictive and petty bunch.

No, we aren't going to give them great trade deals. We might sanction them but that's unlikely but even an unfavorable trade deal with us is good reason to do what we want.

There are only a handful of nations that matter. Good luck getting those hundreds. They need goods and money and America will have far more of all of those than Texas. And don't forget Texas is effectively limited in it's trade with Asia.

I disagree with all of your points.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's not the Fed's choice.

That doesn't mean they can't influence.

As Sean pointed out pretty much anything but total support from the US for Texas independence (which they aren't going to get) would fuck Texas.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I disagree with all of your points.

Well that's fine but you're disagreeing with facts.

How is Texas going to trade with Asia exactly?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Seems like UnRealAmerican missed the American History class where they explained what happened the last time Texas thought it could just secede (and they had quite few other moron states standing right next to them).

The lot of traitorous bastard got their collective asses handed to them and came crawling back to the Union.

They can't just announce that they are leaving the Union, they need the majority of Texan voters to support such a measure and THEN they can ask congress to pass a bill to authorize Texas' secession, pending approval of the other states.

Congress would listen to Texas' congressional members oratory extolling Texan independence and would then vote down the bill proposing Texan secession with a vengeance while barely containing their laughter.

Texas could then try to get individual Governors of each state to put a Texas secession referendum on their state ballots. 49 times he would be told "No," and he would also receive 49 separate recommendations for excellent psychiatric care.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Well that's fine but you're disagreeing with facts.

How is Texas going to trade with Asia exactly?

They'll make Mexico pay for it of course.

 

[Real_American17]

How is Texas going to trade with Asia exactly?

How does any nation smaller that the US? How does Australia? How does Switzerland?

 

[Hypoxia]

They can't just announce that they are leaving the Union, they need the majority of Texan voters to support such a measure and THEN they can ask congress to pass a bill to authorize Texas' secession, pending approval of the other states.

Not quite. There is no constitutional provision for states leaving the union. Any simple secession law passed by Congress and signed by a president would be ruled invalid. An amendment would be necessary, and those are damned tough to enact.

Easy fix: If all state govt's of the South are taken over by righteous assholes who totally piss-off the rest of USA then a secession amendment might be very popular. G'bye and don't let the door hit your arse as you leave.

Personally, I think USA is too much of a good thing. I favor devolution into regional superstates. Ecotopia; Aztlan; Deseret; Dixie; etc. But such is unlikely anytime soon. Too bad.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not quite. There is no constitutional provision for states leaving the union. Any simple secession law passed by Congress and signed by a president would be ruled invalid. An amendment would be necessary, and those are damned tough to enact.

Easy fix: If all state govt's of the South are taken over by righteous assholes who totally piss-off the rest of USA then a secession amendment might be very popular. G'bye and don't let the door hit your arse as you leave.

Personally, I think USA is too much of a good thing. I favor devolution into regional superstates. Ecotopia; Aztlan; Deseret; Dixie; etc. But such is unlikely anytime soon. Too bad.

I second that....it is too bad.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How does any nation smaller that the US? How does Australia? How does Switzerland?

Oh, you failed geography also. What a surprise.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Not quite. There is no constitutional provision for states leaving the union. Any simple secession law passed by Congress and signed by a president would be ruled invalid. An amendment would be necessary, and those are damned tough to enact.

Easy fix: If all state govt's of the South are taken over by righteous assholes who totally piss-off the rest of USA then a secession amendment might be very popular. G'bye and don't let the door hit your arse as you leave.

Personally, I think USA is too much of a good thing. I favor devolution into regional superstates. Ecotopia; Aztlan; Deseret; Dixie; etc. But such is unlikely anytime soon. Too bad.

Yes, even IF a bill of secession were passed by congress and not vetoed immediately by the President it would have to be ratified by the other 49 states in the same manner as a Constitutional Amendment. Barring that Texas would have to convince other states to hold the equivalent of a Constitutional Convention in order to get authorization for secession.

They can't just leave the Union because they joined the Union as UnRealAmerican insisted.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Doesn't Texas have some unique bullshit in their paperwork that lets them evac and/or split into five states?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Doesn't Texas have some unique bullshit in their paperwork that lets them evac and/or split into five states?

The Joint Resolution for the annexation of Texas in 1845 does mention the ability of Texas to split into smaller, more manageable states.

I don't think that they would be able to push that issue now, 171 years after being admitted and acting as a single state. Even if they did that would not magically make Texas not a member of the Union anymore.

 

[Real_American17]

Not quite. There is no constitutional provision for states leaving the union.

The Constitution does not forbid secession. The States are sovereign, they entered the union voluntarily, they may leave if they choose.

Oh, you failed geography also. What a surprise.

Hey nigger, you fail economics.

Texas > Australia

Economy not land mass is what is being discussed you moron!

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Civil War proved that you cannot leave just because you want to.

Texas>Australia makes no difference and land mass is important when we're talking about economies. The overwhelming majority of trade still happens by ship. Asia to Australia=easy. Asia to California= Easy. Asia to Texas=quite a bit harder.

Care to try again son? Now it's not that they wouldn't trade at all, that wonderous canal is nice but still a longer trip. . .to a smaller nation. Since Califorina is MUCH larger than Texas alone, New York is larger than Texas as well (economically).

Good luck with your disaster but there is a reason nobody has the balls to try it. They know the wall is to high to get over.

 

[Real_American17]

I don't think that they would be able to push that issue now, 171 years after being admitted and acting as a single state. Even if they did that would not magically make Texas not a member of the Union anymore.

If Texas dissolved into smaller States, there would be no Texas, which means those new States could simply not join the US.

The Civil War proved that you cannot leave just because you want to.

No, it only proved that if the President ignored the law he could start a civil war.

Texas>Australia makes no difference and land mass is important when we're talking about economies. The overwhelming majority of trade still happens by ship. Asia to Australia=easy. Asia to California= Easy. Asia to Texas=quite a bit harder.

Care to try again son? Now it's not that they wouldn't trade at all, that wonderous canal is nice but still a longer trip. . .to a smaller nation. Since Califorina is MUCH larger than Texas alone, New York is larger than Texas as well (economically).

Not one sentence in those two paragraphs change that I am right and you are wrong.

Texas has the larger economy, you lose.

As to shipping goods, well companies in Texas could send them by ship through the Gulf or they could send them by truck/train into Mexico and send them from ships at Mexican ports, and then there is air planes.

Also, the Cartels would love to export drugs into Texas or have them help getting drugs into the US. The borders that Texas shares with New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana is larger than with Mexico which makes getting drugs from Mexico to America easier.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

I knew things would go down hill in that state when more liberals began moving there...The movement has always been around in one form another dating back to when Texas was a Republic. It's like when Scotland had it's nationalist movement to leave the UK. While they actually got some votes most people wondered why, and even less could find a good reason to go beyond national pride.

It's not a good idea because the people won't profit from it, and it doesn't have the kind of support you would need for a revolution. Aside from the whining and petty insults from the liberals people should be asking what are the conditions that would make anyone even think about this as an option. We can always improve our system, and we want ever voice to be heard.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They wouldn't join the Union. They would be created as parts of the union. There is a difference.

Lets for the sake of argument say Lincoln broke the law and started a Civil War. He won. So you couldn't leave. At the end of the day no law exists save who has the largest gun.

Texas's economy may very well be larger, how much larger and is it still worth shipping to them. And the Gulf doesn't touch the Pacific goof. So you'd have to ship through Mexico and accept whatever taxes they decide to put on you, plus they are hopelessly corrupt right now. That's a stellar plan.

The idea that Texas would be exporting drugs presumes one of two things. Either it's run by liberals who dont' care about drugs (unlikely, it's Texas) or liberals were always right and controlling the border was always impossible and a country run 100% by Republicans would have no better luck doing the impossible. Either way even that is dependent on America NOT managing to largely decriminalize drugs without Texas anchoring the Republicans into place.

This plan is filled with literal metric shit tons of fail.

Regardless it's never gonna happen.

 

[Real_American17]

Lets for the sake of argument say Lincoln broke the law and started a Civil War. He won. So you couldn't leave. At the end of the day no law exists save who has the largest gun.

Yes because violence is the supreme authority, might makes right.

It's not morally true, and it goes against American values and principles, but it is still how the world functions.

The question is, do you think modern America is willing to cause another civil war over Texas seceding?

And the Gulf doesn't touch the Pacific goof.

So? You can still reach Central and South America as well as western Europe.

And you can leave the Gulf through the Caribbean, it isn't land locked like a lake.

So you'd have to ship through Mexico and accept whatever taxes they decide to put on you, plus they are hopelessly corrupt right now. That's a stellar plan.

Ties back into my plan for working with the Cartels.

The idea that Texas would be exporting drugs presumes one of two things.
Regardless it's never gonna happen.

You didn't give any reasons why.

Texas which has a libertarian streak running through it, and will be even stronger after successfully seceding, would have no problem making money off Mexicans by helping to get their drugs into the US, especially if the US is trying to fuck them in the global economy, it will be away of hitting back.

Increasing the illegal drugs entering the US.