Texas, Where Idiots are Bigger!

[Sean Renaud]

Morals are a luxury the man with the bigger gun has and nobody else. I think America is more than willing to cause another Civil War if Texas tried to cede and we collectively didn't think it was a great deal. Without knowing what their plan is nobody knows for sure if we'd let them go or not.

You can still reach the Americas and Europe. But cheap shit mostly comes from Asia. Europe mostly provides high ends stuff. Not exclusively mind you but being geographically more difficult to reach would at the very least drive up cost of living for future Texans.

Well since the cartels are the corrupting force there is little reason to think they would be any better. Besides given that the cartels could easily be labeled terrorists you'd be taking a serious risk openly dealing with them. But admittedly it COULD work.

Texas tends to still side with the right on morals. I don't see them selling drugs intentionally and if the US government suspected this was a plan that would be a damn good reason not to let you cede. Especially as that would be a larger harder to defend border than we currently have. And one with a large white population. Hell half your deal would probably be you being our new border patrol.

It's never gonna happen because the US is never going to let it happen and the Texas government lacks the testicles to do more than grumble about it for attention every so often. If they had any real intention of doing it there would be an honest to God movement.

 

[Real_American17]

Morals are a luxury the man with the bigger gun has and nobody else.

Agreed, in practice.

I think America is more than willing to cause another Civil War if Texas tried to cede and we collectively didn't think it was a great deal. Without knowing what their plan is nobody knows for sure if we'd let them go or not.

I don't think the people or the military would support a civil war with Texas unless Texas was openly committing some hostility.

You can still reach the Americas and Europe. But cheap shit mostly comes from Asia. Europe mostly provides high ends stuff. Not exclusively mind you but being geographically more difficult to reach would at the very least drive up cost of living for future Texans.

You can also reach Africa, which means lots of poor developing markets to be exploited.

So the Americas, Europe and Africa are all with in reach, Asia and Oceania are also but are further away.

Well since the cartels are the corrupting force there is little reason to think they would be any better. Besides given that the cartels could easily be labeled terrorists you'd be taking a serious risk openly dealing with them. But admittedly it COULD work.

And they may not do it openly, either way Turkey has been buying oil from ISIS and nobody but Putin seems to care.

Speaking of which, maybe Russia would see this as an opportunity and help open trade with Texas. Every time the US is involved with something Russia comes in and tries to screw with it as seen with Syria.

Texas tends to still side with the right on morals. I don't see them selling drugs intentionally and if the US government suspected this was a plan that would be a damn good reason not to let you cede. Especially as that would be a larger harder to defend border than we currently have. And one with a large white population. Hell half your deal would probably be you being our new border patrol.

Helping the Cartels would be a counter to America trying to put trade sanctions on them. And deterring other countries from trading with them.

It's never gonna happen because the US is never going to let it happen and the Texas government lacks the testicles to do more than grumble about it for attention every so often. If they had any real intention of doing it there would be an honest to God movement.

I think it's the US that lacks the balls to stop them, which is why the grumbling is getting so loud.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Practice is the only thing that matters when the rubber hits the road. Don't get me wrong I like to think we do the right thing because it's right but I know we do the right thing (when we do, America is the villain more often than we care to admit) because we don't suffer any consequence for it.

Yes you can reach Africa and lots of poor nations. None of which are remotely stable at the moment. I'll be the first one to say that Africa will start to rise as soon as Asia finishes becoming too expensive for cheap labor. Which we're seeing the first signs of now. But that day isn't here yet.

America isn't trading with you, so you're basically stuck with a bunch of shitholes and the ope that Canada and Europe agree with you. I wouldn't bet anything on Canada or the EU taking your side against the United States. But anything could happen.

It's true, people by oil from ISIS, and maybe you'd get buy but I bet most Texans don't feel that confident that electric vehicles are impossible. Texas wouldn't trade with Russia. Who the fucks cares what Putin wants?

Helping the cartells would make you a criminal country. I doubt your people are that amoral.

Believe me many Americans would happily send you away with a gracious Be Well package. One trillion dollars to be rid of Texas? No fucking brainer.

 

[Real_American17]

Texas wouldn't trade with Russia. Who the fucks cares what Putin wants?

Necessity breeds adaptation.

Helping the cartells would make you a criminal country. I doubt your people are that amoral.

Depends how you look at it, the Cartels simply provide a product.

Nothing immoral about drug use... tobacco used to be a staple crop of the south... now it can be cocaine and marijuana.

 

[Hypoxia]

Yes, even IF a bill of secession were passed by congress and not vetoed immediately by the President it would have to be ratified by the other 49 states in the same manner as a Constitutional Amendment.

No, such a procedure is undefined. An amendment specifying the secession process is needed. Or, Texas must start and win a war.

But wait, there's another way! USA can *sell* (or swap) Texas! I'll propose a territorial trade with Mexico: Baja California (Norte y Sur) and maybe a hunk of Sonora in exchange for Texas. Then Texas can buy its way out of Mexico for independence. While we're at it, sell Florida to Cuba, too. Get rid of the most bothersome states whilst acquiring vast realms for real-estate development.

Or skip the fucking-around part and just sell Texas to China. Good riddance.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Idiots might be bigger but their balls are too. I respect people who don't swallow and regurgitate what the government feeds them, swearing it tastes better the 2nd time around.

Good thing the Declaration of Independence was supported by men who had firm beliefs and stood by them in the face of opposition.

I'm sure most of you would have made wonderful British dogs, barking on command. At least you would be good at something!

 

[Tigersman]

Hell yes,

Let Texas secede then the national stats on wrongful convictions would go down as well as death caused by drunken driving. Let them spend more trying to protect a bad idea as the partial wall on our southern border. The US Border Patrol would no longer have the task. Texas airports would face a major problem as all air traffic controllers are federal employees so there would be no more air traffic controllers as well as no more airport screeners. There would be no more US Coast Guard to patrol the coastline and to do searches for those lost at sea.

Texas would no longer receive federal disaster relief or aid to build roads. They could save millions since they would no longer wasting taxpayers money filing lawsuits every time the federal government farted.

 

[phrodeau]

Let Texas secede then the national stats on wrongful convictions would go down as well as death caused by drunken driving. Let them spend more trying to protect a bad idea as the partial wall on our southern border. The US Border Patrol would no longer have the task. Texas airports would face a major problem as all air traffic controllers are federal employees so there would be no more air traffic controllers as well as no more airport screeners. There would be no more US Coast Guard to patrol the coastline and to do searches for those lost at sea.

Texas would no longer receive federal disaster relief or aid to build roads. They could save millions since they would no longer wasting taxpayers money filing lawsuits every time the federal government farted.

No, the Border Patrol would then have an extra 500 miles to patrol, and no fences or river to make it easier.

 

[colddiesel]

How much of Texas is owned by Texans - not as much as they think. And where will their capital requirements come from. They could be independent but would still have to kiss Wall Street's ass.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Necessity breeds adaptation.

Depends how you look at it, the Cartels simply provide a product.

Nothing immoral about drug use... tobacco used to be a staple crop of the south... now it can be cocaine and marijuana.

It could also be kiddy porn or nukes for Iranians. The fact is the south has been consistently on the buss for the Drug War.

And while yes necessity breeds adaptation most people don't willingly put themselves in situations where they will be forced to adapt. They stay where the cocoa is warm and the beds are soft.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let Texas secede then the national stats on wrongful convictions would go down as well as death caused by drunken driving. Let them spend more trying to protect a bad idea as the partial wall on our southern border. The US Border Patrol would no longer have the task.

Yep.

Texas airports would face a major problem as all air traffic controllers are federal employees so there would be no more air traffic controllers as well as no more airport screeners.

Air traffic controllers would still do their job....airport security can still do their job.

They don't cease to exist without the US federal government telling them it's ok and the fed cant' repo the knowledge of how to do their jobs.

There would be no more US Coast Guard to patrol the coastline and to do searches for those lost at sea.

LOL OH NO Texas is just totally incapable of doing any search and rescue operations without the federal government telling them how...not a single Texan is capable!!

Texas would no longer receive federal disaster relief or aid to build roads.

So? They give more than they take. They would be winners in the money situation, not the US.

They could save millions since they would no longer wasting taxpayers money filing lawsuits every time the federal government farted.

Even more so.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Texas does give more than they take BUT and this is important they come out big winners on FEMA since they constantly cut their own emergency services because Washington won't let them burn. Kinda the same way lots of antions have undersized armies because we aren't gonna let shit happen to them.

Texas wouldn't be utterly helpless without the US. They'd still be a formidable nation but lots of shit would change and there is no way to predict it all.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Texas does give more than they take BUT and this is important they come out big winners on FEMA since they constantly cut their own emergency services because Washington won't let them burn. Kinda the same way lots of antions have undersized armies because we aren't gonna let shit happen to them.

Texas wouldn't be utterly helpless without the US. They'd still be a formidable nation but lots of shit would change and there is no way to predict it all.

All the Federal worshiping lefties seem to think everyone in the state would cease to function as adult human beings without the US federal government around.....instantaneous brain death statewide.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No worse than the Texans who don't realize anything about the benefits of belonging to a collective. But yeah my team is supposed to be better.

 

[mikey2much]

judging from what comes out of texas, I could live without them

Trump will build a wall, a great big wonderful wall, and make Texas pay for it.

Texas would be thrown into chaos, what would they do. On the one hand there is Trump and his impossible demand, and on the other hand there is still four clinics that treat women scattered across texas. What to do?

Rick Perry and Ted cruz would march off against the clinics leaving Trump to shit or get off the pot. What to do.

With oil being what it is today, I wouldn't regret losing texas. A fox will hold a twig in his mouth and swim out into the water until the fleas climb onto the stick. He then lets go of the stick and his flea problem is gone.

We should let go of the stick and lose texas if we ever get the chance. Not that I think we ever will get that chaance.

 

[Real_American17]

Idiots might be bigger but their balls are too. I respect people who don't swallow and regurgitate what the government feeds them, swearing it tastes better the 2nd time around.

Good thing the Declaration of Independence was supported by men who had firm beliefs and stood by them in the face of opposition.

I'm sure most of you would have made wonderful British dogs, barking on command. At least you would be good at something!

Fantastic post.

How much of Texas is owned by Texans - not as much as they think. And where will their capital requirements come from. They could be independent but would still have to kiss Wall Street's ass.

They own all of it. The Federal government is not allowed to own land outside of D.C., all holdings are unlawful and unrecognized.

All the Federal worshiping lefties seem to think everyone in the state would cease to function as adult human beings without the US federal government around.....instantaneous brain death statewide.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Be consistent, I'm sick of you jumping back and forth on being a degenerate collectivist scum fuck or not.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What limits the federal government to holding only land in DC? I'm sure that's utter bullshit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Be consistent, I'm sick of you jumping back and forth on being a degenerate collectivist scum fuck or not.

Explain.

 

[Real_American17]

What limits the federal government to holding only land in DC? I'm sure that's utter bullshit.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...tano-washington-lacks-constitutional-right-o/
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/05/07/federal-land-ownership-is-it-constitutional/
www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest249.htm

Explain.

Pick one.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Pick one.

For what? The real world is not an all or nothing, anarchy or totalitarian issue.

 

[Sean Renaud]

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...tano-washington-lacks-constitutional-right-o/
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/05/07/federal-land-ownership-is-it-constitutional/
www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest249.htm

Pick one.

Your first link says the federal government can own land.
The second supports it and even gives the scenarios in which the government can own land.
The third my computer flags as do not enter.

So basically the Feds can own land. Thanks for providing the proof though I'm curious why you did it.

 

[Real_American17]

For what? The real world is not an all or nothing, anarchy or totalitarian issue.

I don't want anarchy, I want a civil society with as minimal a government as possible that is on a short leash to the States, and I want the States and Local governments on short leashes to the People.

The problem is that the People are mindless worms that have been indoctrinated for tens of generations. So there's a steep hill to overcome, the Republic we once had and which I want restored requires a better breed of People.

The Golden Rule and the Non Aggression Principle are really the only rules we need, they cover everything. Punishments should be restitution to damaged parties and imprisonment for breaking the social contract.

The Federal government should only provide Courts and Military, the State and local governments should only provide Courts and Police, and really those could be done without government. Maybe a case could be made for the Federal government having a police (FBI), but I think it should be more of a resource for States and local police and a facilitate to help cross-State operations, like INTERPOL is for international criminals.

I don't think the FBI should actually be kicking in doors unless it's suspected terrorists with ties to foreign agencies, it it is just some kook in Alabama, there's no reason the State and/or local police can't handle it.

The People should be left alone to pursue their own interests. The People can voluntarily form Militias, Juries, and Posses when the need arises.

Everything else like utilities, sewage treatment, waste collection, fire fighting, hospitals and ambulances, schools, etc. can all be provided by private businesses, churches, and charities, and the individual.

We don't need little girls at a lemonade stand being SWAT'd.

So basically the Feds can own land. Thanks for providing the proof though I'm curious why you did it.

Wrong, they can't. The Feds only own D.C. not anything outside it. Well maybe some of those territories like Guam, etc. But nothing in CONUS.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't want anarchy,

The Golden Rule and the Non Aggression Principle are really the only rules we need,

You're either lying about the anarchy or you're delusional about only needing 2 laws that are rather subjective and vague. You don't leave much wiggle room for anything else.

Everything else like utilities, sewage treatment, waste collection, fire fighting, hospitals and ambulances, schools, etc. can all be provided by private businesses, churches, and charities, and the individual.

1) Not all of that a turned out to work well. Like it or not private industry hasn't done a very good job of policing itself or providing for society at large in a number of ways and thus government has been asked to step in.

2) The overwhelming, ultra, super majority of the people in this country don't support that idea in the slightest so just short of the total and complete decimation of the US as it's currently known either economically and or physically I just don't see any of that happening in either of our lives.

We don't need little girls at a lemonade stand being SWAT'd.

I agree...unfortunately most of Americans do and they want her tazed repeatedly for it too.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wrong, they can't. The Feds only own D.C. not anything outside it. Well maybe some of those territories like Guam, etc. But nothing in CONUS.

That's not what your links state. They basically state that the government can own any goddamn bit of land it wants. Next tiem you post links read them.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Texas does give more than they take BUT and this is important they come out big winners on FEMA since they constantly cut their own emergency services because Washington won't let them burn. Kinda the same way lots of antions have undersized armies because we aren't gonna let shit happen to them.

Texas wouldn't be utterly helpless without the US. They'd still be a formidable nation but lots of shit would change and there is no way to predict it all.

Nearly 15% of Texas' population is on SNAP
The state receives nearly $1.50 in federal aid for every dollar paid into the federal treasury in the form of federal income taxes.
18% of Texas' population lives at or below the poverty line (2013 figure).

This isn't even taking into account the federal military bases that would be shuttered, taking all of that much needed money along with them.

But I'm sure they would do just fine on their own without the rest of the U.S. helping to support them.