The 2002 World Cup Thread

[fanzee1]

Senegal vs S. Korea would be just fine.

Can you imagine what an average Senelgalise player would earn in their domestic league (if he's not picked to play in France or something).

Also, no offence to anyone, but I would imagine the sports facilities available to them would not be on a par with things in a rich Western country.

Yet Senegal are still there and teams worth teams of millions have been layed waste. Wow.

senegal's entire national team plays in france. at least, all of the starters.

 

[District Line]

The linesman/ assistant referee made a bad call. They ball was still in play when the cross was made.

However, the S. Korean players stopped playing immediately the call was made. They stopped playing before the header on goal.

 

[District Line]

senegal's entire national team plays in france. at least, all of the starters.

Really ? Lol.



I'll have to amend what I've said:

'I would imagine the sports facilities available to them as they were growing up would not be on a par with a rich Western country.'

I still think they've done well though.

 

[fanzee1]

Really ? Lol.



I'll have to amend what I've said:

'I would imagine the sports facilities available to them as they were growing up would not be on a par with a rich Western country.'

I still think they've done well though.

they have done well.

 

[District Line]

Wow!

This is so the most physical match I've seen.
Is this the norm?

It's on a par with the 'physicalness' of domestic league games in Britain. Generally, the play is far more physical in the British leagues.

However, over the years, in order to protect players from bad injuries and allow skillful players to shine, the ruling bodies have adjusted the rules to siphon out the physically aggressive content from the game.

A more cynical perspective is that as a lot of big money went into football, the business side were keen to protect players as their assets.

Anyway, personally, I prefer it the way it is now.

In the past, things were more 'violent.' There was more chance of serious injury and a skillful player could be bundled, kicked and hacked out the game.

 

[cybergirly]

Turkey appears to want to lose

 

[redblooded]

best game of the quarters so far!!

 

[christo]

I thought the Spain-South Korea game was the late one, damn. Anyway, I was so wasted after yesterday that I couldn't have gotten up anyway.

South Korea will beat Germany. I don't think they can be beaten in Korea. Their fans give them too much energy, and they give the officials...I don't know. The willies? I haven't seen the highlights, but I guess there was ANOTHER goal disallowed in error.

FIFA really needs to fix this problem. There are so few good scoring opportunities in soccer that you can't have the best chances taken away because the linesmen can't keep track of who's onside.

I don't see how video replay would help with offisdes if the refs keep blowing the whistle when the player is ONSIDE. Reset everyone in the positions they were in before the bad call? How about giving the offensive player a 1 yard cushion, or say that, so long as the offending player isn't moving toward goal, they can be as much as a yard beyond the last defender. That would make it harder to play the offside trap.

I also think a second ref should be put on the pitch. It would help with situations like we saw in Korea-Italy, where the ref sends off Totti even though he did take a knock. It shouldn't have been a penalty, but it shouldn't have been a card, either. The ref wasn't in position to see what was going on. Having another official trailing the play means that a quick counter doesn't leave the ref sprinting to get into position.

I hope English fans don't pile on David Seaman. He got beat on a 100-1 shot, and those things happen when you're playing against the best in the world. He was magnificent the rest of the tournament, really fantastic. And, frankly, had Brazil not scored there, they would've scored later. They were too dominant.

I think the heat wore England down badly, especially since they had to chase and chase all day. England have to do a better job at controlling the ball, making the other team run and run.

And they will, because this is a team with a bright, bright future. When my Steelers lost to the Patriots I was despondant, because you only get so many chances to win the big one. But now the Steelers have resigned much of their team, and they're set for two or three more shots at the Super Bowl.

England are loaded with young talent, talent that got a great deal of experience in this World Cup. Owen will only be 24 in Euro 2004, only 26 in Germany. Beckham will only be 31. Ferdinand, Gerrard, Dyer...and they have lots of guys on the under-21 team who look like potential stars.

And the players they have look like real world-class players. They should be one of the big favorites for Euro 2004, and then they go to Germany in four years, where they won't have to deal with the long, long travel and jet lag.

If Sven sticks around, if guys stay healthy and keep developing their skills, England could have a side as formidable as Brazil and Argentina in a few years.

 

[redblooded]

Christo
I think a lot of what you said is right. However,maybe England should be striving to be like South Korea of Senegal. England have now beaten the Arg'ies and one hopes that Brasil will be beaten (yep it will have to be by a GOOD team,,,,but...) and SOOOOOOONN

 

[Weird Harold]

Turkey appears to want to lose

They have thought themselves out of about five good opportunities. Senegal has muffed a few good opportunities, too.

I think both sides will settle down and start shooting instead of thinking in the second half.

It's been exciting so far with a lot of end-to-end action.

 

[Weird Harold]

On we go to overtime.

Senegal had a couple of good chances in stoppage time, and Turkey looks tired.

 

[District Line]

Good goal !

Well taken by the Turkish striker.

 

[Weird Harold]

Good goal !

Well taken by the Turkish striker.

One of the best goals of the tournament.

I think I'm going to root for Germany and Brazil -- my support seems to be the kiss of death.

 

[redblooded]

Yes
Wouldn't it be a goof final

Korea V Turkey !!!

 

[District Line]

One of the best goals of the tournament.

I think I'm going to root for Germany and Brazil -- my support seems to be the kiss of death.

It's just that it's the most unpredictable World Cup ever.

 

[Svedish_Chef]

South Korea are paying the refs wages.

There can be no other possible reason to have that many goals disallowed that were legal.

 

[Andreina]

South Korea are paying the refs wages.

There can be no other possible reason to have that many goals disallowed that were legal.

hmmm... Germany vs Brazil in the final, I think. hmmmm *putting the thinking cap on*

 

[District Line]

Today's match - South Korea vs Spain

I think I'll put the case for the S. Korean team.

During one attack, the attacking Spanish player got right to the 'by line' at the Korean end of the pitch. It wasn't clear if he edged the ball past the line and out of play.

The linesman (assistant referee) flagged that it was out of play. The Referee took the cue from the linesman and blew the whistle to stop play. (The Referee himself did not make the call).

The linesmen are there to spot that kind thing, it is their responsiblity to make those judgements. In situations such as these, the Referee takes the cue from the linesmen.

I'm emphazing this just to clarify one point. It was not the Referee who of his own volition made some weird, aberrant decision.

Another point that needs to be emphasized - as soon as the whistle blew, the Koreans immediately stopped play.

The ball, however, was still flying through the air at this time, it reached it's intended target - the Spanish striker - who headed it at the goal. However, it reached him after the whistle blew. It reached him after the Koreans stopped play.

The term 'disallowed goal' is being banded about. Let's be clear and precise about the semantics. This was not a disallowed goal because it was never a goal. The whistle had gone, the play had already stopped.

This was not an after the fact kind of situation. This wasn't a case where a player scores, runs off celebrating and then an infringement that was initially unnoticed by the Referee is brought to his attention and the goal, subsequently, is ruled invalid.

Okay, in the slow-mo replay it turns out that the linesman made a bad call, the ball remained inside the line, it did not go out of play. However, at most, this was a case where a good scoring chance was disallowed.

Let's get this straight, it was not a disallowed goal.

 

[fanzee1]

Today's match - South Korea vs Spain

I think I'll put the case for the S. Korean team.

During one attack, the attacking Spanish player got right to the 'by line' at the Korean end of the pitch. It wasn't clear if he edged the ball past the line and out of play.

The linesman (assistant referee) flagged that it was out of play. The Referee took the cue from the linesman and blew the whistle to stop play. (The Referee himself did not make the call).

The linesmen are there to spot that kind thing, it is their responsiblity to make those judgements. In situations such as these, the Referee takes the cue from the linesmen.

I'm emphazing this just to clarify one point. It was not the Referee who of his own volition made some weird, aberrant decision.

Another point that needs to be emphasized - as soon as the whistle blew, the Koreans immediately stopped play.

The ball, however, was still flying through the air at this time, it reached it's intended target - the Spanish striker - who headed it at the goal. However, it reached him after the whistle blew. It reached him after the Koreans stopped play.

The term 'disallowed goal' is being banded about. Let's be clear and precise about the semantics. This was not a disallowed goal because it was never a goal. The whistle had gone, the play had already stopped.

This was not an after the fact kind of situation. This wasn't a case where a player scores, runs off celebrating and then an infringement that was initially unnoticed by the Referee is brought to his attention and the goal, subsequently, is ruled invalid.

Okay, in the slow-mo replay it turns out that the linesman made a bad call, the ball remained inside the line, it did not go out of play. However, at most, this was a case where a good scoring chance was disallowed.

Let's get this straight, it was not a disallowed goal.

All of that is true but it doesn't change the fact that spain had 2 golden scoring opportunities dashed away at critical moments. I'd like to be totally thrilled for the underdog Koreans. It's difficult to feel that way after getting a good look at the calls though. Not just because of these but because a pattern appearns to be forming here. Bad calls are part of the game. I just hope that's all they are, bad calls.

 

[solid_]

Today's match - South Korea vs Spain

I think I'll put the case for the S. Korean team.

During one attack, the attacking Spanish player got right to the 'by line' at the Korean end of the pitch. It wasn't clear if he edged the ball past the line and out of play.

The linesman (assistant referee) flagged that it was out of play. The Referee took the cue from the linesman and blew the whistle to stop play. (The Referee himself did not make the call).

The linesmen are there to spot that kind thing, it is their responsiblity to make those judgements. In situations such as these, the Referee takes the cue from the linesmen.

I'm emphazing this just to clarify one point. It was not the Referee who of his own volition made some weird, aberrant decision.

Another point that needs to be emphasized - as soon as the whistle blew, the Koreans immediately stopped play.

The ball, however, was still flying through the air at this time, it reached it's intended target - the Spanish striker - who headed it at the goal. However, it reached him after the whistle blew. It reached him after the Koreans stopped play.

The term 'disallowed goal' is being banded about. Let's be clear and precise about the semantics. This was not a disallowed goal because it was never a goal. The whistle had gone, the play had already stopped.

This was not an after the fact kind of situation. This wasn't a case where a player scores, runs off celebrating and then an infringement that was initially unnoticed by the Referee is brought to his attention and the goal, subsequently, is ruled invalid.

Okay, in the slow-mo replay it turns out that the linesman made a bad call, the ball remained inside the line, it did not go out of play. However, at most, this was a case where a good scoring chance was disallowed.

Let's get this straight, it was not a disallowed goal.

I dont now what game you was watching but the whistle wasn't blown till the ball hit the net.

And how do you explain the headed goal that was disallowed TV replays clearly showed there was no foul commited by the spanish.

This worldcup is weighted in Koreas favour. Have to be blind to not see that.

 

[District Line]

I dont now what game you was watching but the whistle wasn't blown till the ball hit the net.

And how do you explain the headed goal that was disallowed TV replays clearly showed there was no foul commited by the spanish.

This worldcup is weighted in Koreas favour. Have to be blind to not see that.

See the replay. It's on the BBC now.

The whistle is blown before.

 

[solid_]

Just a side note to Germany who face Korea next.

If the one goal you'll score against Korea is allowed, you'll probably win...

But I wont hold my breath.

 

[solid_]

See the replay. It's on the BBC now.

The whistle is blown before.

Watching it now another thing that bothers me why are the koreans getting away with falling over after the smallest brush with the spanish players is'nt that play acting, they was meant to be getting strict on for this worldcup.

And shirt pulling by korea on the spanish.

 

[solid_]

And last but not least.

Before the saved penalty was taken, the Korean goalkeeper moved six feet off his line. The penalty should have been retaken.

This argument will go on and on its endless.

Third rate officials.?

Or some backroom goings on between fifa and the Co-hosts.?

So I end my rant till the outcome of the worldcup draws to its conclusion.

 

[District Line]

All of that is true but it doesn't change the fact that spain had 2 golden scoring opportunities dashed away at critical moments. I'd like to be totally thrilled for the underdog Koreans. It's difficult to feel that way after getting a good look at the calls though. Not just because of these but because a pattern appearns to be forming here. Bad calls are part of the game. I just hope that's all they are, bad calls.

I hope they are just bad calls.