The AI & Data Center Thread

[icanhelp1]

To underscore your point, it’s worth remembering that the AI and data center boom thrived during the Biden administration. Ironically, one of Biden’s final acts before leaving office was signing an executive order fast tracking data centers on federal lands.

Democrats lack self awareness. this

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead. This is a race we need to win, even if it ultimately results in our demise.

That’s the sentiment on Wall Street per this morning’s WSJ:


AI Leaders Are Calling for a Slowdown, but Wall Street Keeps on Buying

https://www.wsj.com/finance/stocks/...71903?st=bYmy1w&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[MajorRewrite]

Across the US, anti-datacenter organizers are harnessing community anger to win local elections

Voters hate data centers. It’s a simple fact. Dum-Dum Donnie’s continuing support for data centers isn’t doing Republicans any favors in the midterms.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

OpenAI Eyes Canada for Data Centers, Praises Carney’s Plan

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nter-partnerships-at-carney-investment-summit

 

[stxjimmy]

Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead. This is a race we need to win, even if it ultimately results in our demise.

Like a bunch of lemmings?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Data centers are so unpopular that Congress is attempting to pass a bill that pretends to make data centers pay for utility upgrades.

What Is This Bipartisan Data Center Bill Really About?

Mitch Jones, the managing director of policy and litigation at Food and Water Watch, said that his organization is opposed to the bill because it acts as a “fig leaf” for Big Tech companies and members of Congress to hide behind without meaningfully addressing high utility costs from data centers.

“This legislation is clearly meant to give members of Congress cover, especially during an election year, when the issue of data centers and the issue of AI more broadly have really come to the fore as one of the top issues animating politics in the United States currently,” Jones said.

Incumbent politicians can only pretend to take action because they take bribes.

 

[MajorRewrite]

OpenAI Eyes Canada for Data Centers, Praises Carney’s Plan

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nter-partnerships-at-carney-investment-summit

The “Canada Canada Canada” distraction attempt was a complete failure and has been abandoned by Donnie. Didn’t you get the memo?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The “Canada Canada Canada” distraction attempt was a complete failure and has been abandoned by Donnie. Didn’t you get the memo?

Carney is wise to be welcoming AI investment in Canada.

 

[Rotadom]

A1 says these are all s.

 

[Lazaran]

A1 says these are all s.


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Shouldn’t a few of the PB MAGAts be on that list???



WE. TOLD. THEM. SO.

 

[Bray123]

Trump says that AI is a hoax.

Trump also says that his son Barron is a computer genius because he knows how to switch on a laptop.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trump says that AI is a hoax.

To clarify, Trump does not think AI is a hoax. Quite the contrary. He’s been pushing AI and data center development in the US.

He called the threat of human extinction scenarios “a hoax.”

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Nimbies exist.
Understanding AI and data centers continues to be an issue for many.

Two things can be true at the same time.

1. Many people don’t want data centers near their homes or in their communities due to various concerns, including excessive power consumption they fear will drive their bills up, noise, and water resource consumption.

2. Many people fear AI will take their jobs away and/or AI will cause serious havoc and potentially even destroy humanity.

There’s overlap between these two things, for sure. There’s also a lot of confusion and out there.

For example, many people think all data centers are the same and see no differences between scale, power sources, cooling technology. To these folks, all data centers are the same and they’re all bad.

Regarding AI, many people think it’s inherently evil and offers no potential to improve lives.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Today’s WSJ

Headline: The U.S. and China Want AI Guardrails. But Their Ideas Couldn’t Be More Different.

Subheading: American dialogue has centered on protecting humanity from the technology, while Beijing is chiefly concerned with safeguarding the Communist Party

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/u-s...415ff?st=ukhmy3&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[ll74]

Two things can be true at the same time.

1. Many people don’t want data centers near their homes or in their communities due to various concerns, including excessive power consumption they fear will drive their bills up, noise, and water resource consumption.

2. Many people fear AI will take their jobs away and/or AI will cause serious havoc and potentially even destroy humanity.

There’s overlap between these two things, for sure. There’s also a lot of confusion and out there.

For example, many people think all data centers are the same and see no differences between scale, power sources, cooling technology. To these folks, all data centers are the same and they’re all bad.

Regarding AI, many people think it’s inherently evil and offers no potential to improve lives.

Yep. I see a huge issue which exists because of nimbyism and confusion.

I see concerns valid about electricity prices and water and climate change, all of which are overblown. I also see concerns about job loss, which is valid, but likely overblown. I see the "it makes too much noise" concern, which I think is a non issue that can be overcome easily with sound barriers

Overall having the US in charge of this technology is vital over someone like China....for both security and economics....and humanity. We need a place to build data centers and if we don't, the race for the tech will be lost......China won't be pumping the brakes.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yep. I see a huge issue which exists because of nimbyism and confusion.

I see concerns valid about electricity prices and water and climate change, all of which are overblown. I also see concerns about job loss, which is valid, but likely overblown. I see the "it makes too much noise" concern, which I think is a non issue that can be overcome easily with sound barriers

Overall having the US in charge of this technology is vital over someone like China....for both security and economics....and humanity. We need a place to build data centers and if we don't, the race for the tech will be lost......China won't be pumping the brakes.

Noise is a legitimate complaint for data centers with massive generators running 24/7 and located near residential areas. There’s a widely reported example in New Jersey where a data center operator was running multiple turbine generators without a permit. The facility was within a few hundred feet of homes. Those kind of stories get media coverage, people hear about it, and think all data centers are like that. Indoor fans can be well insulated from emitting external sound.

I recently visited a data center location that a couple people on Nextdoor were complaining about. Stood outside and heard nothing but cars and planes overhead. I went back at 5 am another day before traffic started and still heard nothing.

As far as impacting electricity rates, that issue can be mitigated. Louden County, Virginia is the data center capital of the world. Their residential electricity rates are significantly below the national average.

 

[ll74]

Noise is a legitimate complaint for data centers with massive generators running 24/7 and located near residential areas. There’s a widely reported example in New Jersey where a data center operator was running multiple turbine generators without a permit. The facility was within a few hundred feet of homes. Those kind of stories get media coverage, people hear about it, and think all data centers are like that. Indoor fans can be well insulated from emitting external sound.

Yep - all of which can be taken care of with sound barriers.

I recently visited a data center location that a couple people on Nextdoor were complaining about. Stood outside and heard nothing but cars and planes overhead. I went back at 5 am another day before traffic started and still heard nothing.

Putting them near airports is a good idea.

As far as impacting electricity rates, that issue can be mitigated. Louden County, Virginia is the data center capital of the world. Their residential electricity rates are significantly below the national average.

Yep - Vivek, a candidate for Ohio governor has suggested legislation where data centers pay for electricity of everyone near them. I think we should have legislation that makes them pay for electricity and water to displace their impact.

Unfortunately,as in Ohio , legislators were more focused on beinging their economies to the area and so started out by giving the. All tax breaks and free rides without much thought. So you're having to reverse already enacted legislation. Not sure how easy that is. Putting the cart before the horse....I guess

I say we should have AI figure this shit out for us.....irony!