The future is dense, walkable cities.

[MajorRewrite]

The west coast's decline is in the lives of people living there. Corporate profits can be ignored. Corporations are not people. Small towns all over Oregon are struggling to cope with falling or stagnant income, unemployment, homelessness, and petty crime. The big cities of the west coast are notoriously worse. That could be its own thread. All three states have very high taxes because they are trying to maintain previous levels of bureaucratic staffing while people who can leave are leaving. They must squeeze more money out of the people who haven't left yet. I know because I was there. I will probably go back to visit family this year.

You make things up and pretend they are true. It’s a weird trait you share with lots of other MAGA sheep.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Good article showing how car culture gutted American cities.

60 years ago we had dense, walkable cities. That was stolen from us by the automobile industry.

 

[Chernosoth]

Good article showing how car culture gutted American cities.

60 years ago we had dense, walkable cities. That was stolen from us by the automobile industry.

And somewhat by the Department of Defense, to reduce the damage of nuclear strikes on cities, but mostly by the petroleum industry. Most of the industrial age is finding new and extravagant ways to spend energy abundance extravagantly. There are still people who want to blow more energy on crazy shit like colonizing Mars.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Good article showing how car culture gutted American cities.

60 years ago we had dense, walkable cities. That was stolen from us by the automobile industry.

People wanted mobility. The freedom to pack the car and travel is quite a draw to private vehicle ownership.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Good article showing how car culture gutted American cities.

60 years ago we had dense, walkable cities. That was stolen from us by the automobile industry.

You have a funny way of saying that people wanted automobiles and companies provided them.

The only thing 'stolen' here is your desire to enforce taking away what other people are fine with and want.

 

[Chernosoth]

All of western civilization has a tendency of demanding compliance with some personal belief. That's everything from abortion to vegetarian diets. It varies by personality and nation. We have some of that in the walkable cities and vehicle discussions, particularly when politicians talk about banning gas engine cars, cars over ten years old, etc. Just expecting someone to try to ban or control can lead to seeing such an intent where there isn't one. People with more of that tendency may sabotage their own arguments and make their beliefs seem crazy, so the best they can do is shut up.

While people argue, fossil fuels and other resources are depleted. Mathematical inevitability will proceed in its own sweet time.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You have a funny way of saying that people wanted automobiles and companies provided them.

The only thing 'stolen' here is your desire to enforce taking away what other people are fine with and want.

For 60 years big government colluded with big oil to build cities where owning a car was mandatory. In pursuit of that automobile monoculture they destroyed vibrant neighborhoods to build freeways and parking lots..

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

All of western civilization has a tendency of demanding compliance with some personal belief. That's everything from abortion to vegetarian diets. It varies by personality and nation. We have some of that in the walkable cities and vehicle discussions, particularly when politicians talk about banning gas engine cars, cars over ten years old, etc. Just expecting someone to try to ban or control can lead to seeing such an intent where there isn't one. People with more of that tendency may sabotage their own arguments and make their beliefs seem crazy, so the best they can do is shut up.

While people argue, fossil fuels and other resources are depleted. Mathematical inevitability will proceed in its own sweet time.

Car owners are the most pampered and privileged people on the planet. They expect the whole world to cater to them and bitterly resent if anyone uses “their” streets for anything other than driving.

They expect the rest of us to share their obsession and provide places where they can park for free.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

For 60 years big government colluded with big oil to build cities where owning a car was mandatory. In pursuit of that automobile monoculture they destroyed vibrant neighborhoods to build freeways and parking lots..

Can you name some of the “colluded” cities? Specifically one where “Big Oil” and “Big Gov” got together and made a city out of thin air?

You’ll probably need to define the definition of city first though…

 

[TastySuckToy]

For 60 years big government colluded with big oil to build cities where owning a car was mandatory.

No one is forced to own a vehicle. You really need to get over yourself.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Can you name some of the “colluded” cities? Specifically one where “Big Oil” and “Big Gov” got together and made a city out of thin air?

You’ll probably need to define the definition of city first though…

Read about them right here:

Good article showing how car culture gutted American cities.

60 years ago we had dense, walkable cities. That was stolen from us by the automobile industry.

Profiles of a dozen cities like Detroit and Cincinnati that razed dense neighborhoods to make room for freeways and parking lots.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No one is forced to own a vehicle. You really need to get over yourself.

Can you walk to buy groceries where you live?

 

[Chernosoth]

Car owners are the most pampered and privileged people on the planet. They expect the whole world to cater to them and bitterly resent if anyone uses “their” streets for anything other than driving.

They expect the rest of us to share their obsession and provide places where they can park for free.

My goal is to make posting here for MAGA so unpleasant that they flee the forum, and we can chat about fun topics like transit policy or space exploration.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Can you walk to buy groceries where you live?

Yes.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Read about them right here:

Profiles of a dozen cities like Detroit and Cincinnati that razed dense neighborhoods to make room for freeways and parking lots.

No, dying cities don’t count. There are many reasons Cincy and Detroit built freeways in old sections, but it wasn’t collusion of Big anybody. It’s called progress. You might not like it, but it’s inevitable. All those immigrants you Radicalized democrats brought in? Yeah, they’re going to be looking to move outside the squalor a lot live in your vaunted cities.

Instead of grinding your axe over things you can’t control, you might want to look into the massive AI surveillance centers being thrown up around the country. They use more power and water than any suburb springing up.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No, dying cities don’t count. There are many reasons Cincy and Detroit built freeways in old sections, but it wasn’t collusion of Big anybody. It’s called progress. You might not like it, but it’s inevitable. All those immigrants you Radicalized democrats brought in? Yeah, they’re going to be looking to move outside the squalor a lot live in your vaunted cities.

Instead of grinding your axe over things you can’t control, you might want to look into the massive AI surveillance centers being thrown up around the country. They use more power and water than any suburb springing up.

Detroit and Cincinnati weren’t “dying”, they were murdered by having freeways run through their hearts.

 

[Chernosoth]

No, dying cities don’t count. There are many reasons Cincy and Detroit built freeways in old sections, but it wasn’t collusion of Big anybody. It’s called progress. You might not like it, but it’s inevitable. All those immigrants you Radicalized democrats brought in? Yeah, they’re going to be looking to move outside the squalor a lot live in your vaunted cities.

First we make cars mandatory for going anywhere and then we make crappy cars with engine and transmission failures before the loans are paid.

Detroit and Cincinatti have great locations. They'll rebound while LA, Vegas, Phoenix, etc. become smoldering desert ghost towns.

 

[TastySuckToy]

First we make cars mandatory for going anywhere

Again, bullshit. No one is forced to own or use vehicles. There are entire communities that don't own or use cars, along with other technology.

and then we make crappy cars with engine and transmission failures before the loans are paid.

Bought my Toyota truck in 2012, paid off in 2020, and still running like a dream with over 320k kilometers on it.

 

[Chernosoth]

There are entire communities that don't own or use cars, along with other technology.

They will become more common, then the majority, then all communities as driving becomes unaffordable.

I bought my first car for $400 in the 1990s. It needed a little bit of work. $400 could be a month of my entry level job then. A car in similar condition now would be at least 5, maybe 10 thousand. That is much more than a month of entry level work.

That car was 20 years old. Most newer cars don't last 20 years, at much higher prices.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Nope.

 

[Rightguide]

Detroit and Cincinnati weren’t “dying”, they were murdered by having freeways run through their hearts.

How walkable is Los Angeles?

 

[TrailerHitch]

I will admit that I enjoy very much the freedom of being able to hop in my car or truck and go somewhere. I live 30 minutes from town so unless it's an emergency we generally plan our trips to town for multiple stops, gas, grocery store, pharmacy, pet store, hardware store, etc. It saves money and gas doing that.

 

[Chernosoth]

Some states are depaving their rural roads because they can't afford pavement maintenance. That will eventually be all rural roads. Rural drivers can expect to pay more for tires, suspension repairs, and less mpg. But dirt roads are healthier for horses, which will eventually replace cars.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

How walkable is Los Angeles?

Individual neighborhood are pretty great! Culver City and Santa Monica are very walkable. My part of West LA is pretty good too. What’s promising for L.A is that it was a train city before it went big for cars and the old right-of-ways still exist. They’re running new track down the old routes to tie the walkable parts together.

 

[Rightguide]

Individual neighborhood are pretty great! Culver City and Santa Monica are very walkable. My part of West LA is pretty good too. What’s promising for L.A is that it was a train city before it went big for cars and the old right-of-ways still exist. They’re running new track down the old routes to tie the walkable parts together.

Los Angeles has been dominated by the automobile for over 100 years.