The Parking Lot

annaswirls said:
Where is Tess?

Thank you, Anna, I knew I forgot someone. And Rybka too. and Senna doesnt post enough to satisfy me. He is succinct but more than sufficient. An acquired taste, though. ;)
 
normal jean said:
Please don't make excuses for me. Do not try and figure out what is wrong with me. I never HAVE been a butt kisser. Does everybody want me to say something really insincere like, I'm sorry? It won't happen.

My initial response to her poetry was an honest one. I had no idea who she was/is. I guess I forgot to check out the threads and find out she was "special" before I decided to be honest about her work.

and Angeline? You were one of the first to befriend me here and I was astonished that anyone could write like you with such ease and flair. YOU have talent. I always have looked up to you as diplomatic. see, the thing is, I like LOTS of poets here who are not in a circle, clique, oval, etc. I admire work that others have dissed from day one. I am different, should I apologize for that?

I read MOST of the poetry posted, except a couple of people who consistently write about incest and that isn't my cup of tea. I know I cannot be objective, so I leave it alone.

Usually, and this is in ref to the Interact threads, usually, t he "spotlighted" poet had made themselves a larger part of the community than to just be a cyber cum-bag. I am even done having an opinion about her. The problem is bigger than the one this one ring circus in the middle of Podunk nowhere.

I have read other reviews of poets and their work which was in line with what I said about her "work" and it pissed no one off. Why is my opinion singled out as wrong, only when it comes to people you guys like so much? I don't get that. Maybe that is the circle I don't WANT to be a part of.

I will not apologize for speaking my mind. and now I am in the position of defending myself because some of you have tried to water down what I said because of your own opinion of her. PLease don't do that. MY opinions are just as real as anyones and hell, this country isn't communist, yet.

I didn't like her poetry from the beginning, just like so many of you didn't like mine. That didn't make me run around and cry and play victim, it made me actually WORK on my writing. That doesn't mean that she won't also grow. Everyone that tries has the potential to grow. I thought I was doing her a favor by giving an honest opinion she might not have gotten elsewhere. Little did I know that a monkey and an angel would try to tell her I meant something else, or I was having a bad day, etc. I meant what I said, and I still mean it. Someday, she will appreciate that someone was honest with her, if she really is about the poetry.

My not liking her poetry had nothing to do with HER. It was when she insulted me and then laughed in my face about it, that i decided she wasn't what I consider friend material. Why should she care? I wouldn't. Mine is but one voice here.

The facts of life are, I don't have to like someone. I dont have to like their poetry just because the majority does and when that makes me a bad guy, then poetry doesn't have a fucking thing to do with it anymore.

Ya'll should do her a favor and help her out rather than just giving blind praise. As far as voting goes, I do direct this to bijou. Voting is bull shit and if you base your self opinion on those little numbers, you will always be hurting. There will always be someone out there honey, that votes you down just because they can, or they think it's funny, whatever, and it wont be me. Just cause I set the therm at 50 when I commented on your work, that doesnt mean it was my actual VOTE.

I left what I consider valid constructive crit. We have had a thread about this before- How to treat newbies when it comes to crit and voting. I THOUGHT she was mature enough to appreciate honesty. I guess I was wrong.

I invite HER to comment on my work, though I warn you, I delete anonymous venom. and sometimes I delete anonymous praise, especially if it is ooey gooey sticky and embarrassing, though I don't get much of that. Know why? I dont kiss ass and do not expect it in return so I am not on anyones vote'm up high and reap some rewards list.

In fact, I have my FB option set to NOT accept anonymous comments, although, anyone who is not a member here and wishes to leave comments will show up as anonymous. That's just the way it is. Don't always assume that an anon comment is a troll. Sometimes it's just a person who comes to Lit to read and not get involved with the writers and other readers. Hindsight tells me that they are the smartest ones of all.


I am now gonna make a little list of people who I loved to read who do not post anymore. Yes, there are some extremely talented people posting here lately. I speak specifically of Minervous, Hmmnmm, TrevorBlack and others I dont have on the tip of my tongue. But look at what has gone from our place and can you honestly say this is the best it;s ever been? I wholeheartedly disagree, but then, it is my opinion and don't water it down.


Flyguy

TaraBlackwood

Cordelia

Lauren Hynde ( is she okay, Ange?)

of course, o3sp and his dozen or so alts, but we know why he isnt posting... :heart:

Catastrophe ( one of my personal faves)

JD4George

sandspike

ishtat

Icingsugar and linbido

jthserra, anyone? remember him?

syndra lyn

PERKS ( I miss that crazy betch)

postobitum

BooMerengue

clutching calliope (and her couple of alts) she removed posts too, because she wanted to, never gave an explanation and no one went ballistic


**Some of the people who have left can now be found in print and online. Read the toot your horn thread to find them- but they include- denis hale, catbabe, Patrick Carrington and a slew of active poets here


anyone who has NOT read these people are doing themselves a huge disservice If you really love poetry and not just talking about it, read these people. Quit patting yourselves on the back when you have done so little and read these people. Learn something. I'm not the bad guy. Get over yourselves.

:rose:

My dear friend, you are entitled to your opinions; that's just a statement of fact. So are we all. I don't think being kind and trying to welcome someone is equivalent to kissing their butt. As you had your reaction to Bijou's poems when you first read them, so did I. I thought (and think) they're wonderful. Not every word or every poem, of course, but it's exciting to me when someone new comes here who appears--to me--to be the real thing in terms of talent. I immediately do what I can to lure them here. Not everyone good, but some days I'm tired or have other stuff to do.

I don't feel comfortable asking you to show me what Bijou said that you believe proves she was making fun of you. I honestly don't know where or when that happened if indeed that's what it was. That's between you and her. I'm just sorry you feel this way. I'm sorry because I love you and I want people I love to be happy. And you're right I shouldn't defend you, but I did think your criticism was harsh because she was new then. I wanted to explain myself. I know new people who've left here because of harsh words. That has always been MET's argument and I try to be sensitive to it, but that's me. Maybe tough love is better but it takes a village, right? There's room here for all opinions.

So what am I to do? Dislike someone who has done nothing I've seen to deserve it because someone I really care about says she did something wrong? Nope, can't do that. If I defend someone I'm either kissing butt or protecting an inner circle. Feels no-win to me. Honestly all this arguing is making my eyes cross and it's not a good look for me.

I agree with your list of poets, especially Tara who came here with so much promise. I often wonder what she's writing now. Off the top of my head I'd add smithpeter is all his glorious variations and Deep Asleep, Senna Jawa (who is barely here now), darkmaas. I know there are others but I have to make more coffee first to recall them all. One person you mentioned is still very active under various alts. And Lauren is doing really well: just got a new flat and is on her way in her architecture career. Boy do I miss her being around more. She was my bestest editor ever. :)

I think Anna has the right idea with her poll threads. Focus on the poems. I'm sure I'd feel better if I could do that all the time, but I'm my father's daughter: I can never keep my mouth shut. I think it's genetic.

:heart:
 
Angeline said:
I'm sure I'd feel better if I could do that all the time, but I'm my father's daughter: I can never keep my mouth shut. I think it's genetic.

:heart:


Again mit the kibbitzing?

( and sorry, the 16th :D :kiss: )
 
annaswirls said:
I am lazy, just did a poll of new poem titles. Maybe we should have a new poem competition once a week. It might be fun! Not as much as a competition as a friendly way to recognize what we like?

I am on a lit kick and will probably sink away again (many hours subbing and just being tired and on a super-mom pta mom binge) and should take small bites.

I am JEALOUS that you get to talk about boys with your daughter!!!! I wanted a daughter!!!!! But I can imagine that it must be painful too especially the he doesn't like me ones. Lord, I never imagined how heartbreaking parenthood is.

I am blessed. I have a teenaged daughter who doesn't drink or do drugs or fool around with all those boys. She's doing a graphic novel about the Holocaust for her senior project (she's a sophmore but they have to start in the sophmore year at her school). She is a very talented artist (yes I'm totally biased). And she talks to me. When I was her age I was so awful to my mother, ack it's painful remembering. And I have a boy, too, who doesn't talk to me and doesn't drink...much...I don't think. At least he never wants me to buy him anything but jeans and tshirts. That's a blessing too, albeit a small one.
 
Angeline said:
My dear friend, you are entitled to your opinions; that's just a statement of fact. So are we all. I don't think being kind and trying to welcome someone is equivalent to kissing their butt. As you had your reaction to Bijou's poems when you first read them, so did I. I thought (and think) they're wonderful. Not every word or every poem, of course, but it's exciting to me when someone new comes here who appears--to me--to be the real thing in terms of talent. I immediately do what I can to lure them here. Not everyone good, but some days I'm tired or have other stuff to do.

I don't feel comfortable asking you to show me what Bijou said that you believe proves she was making fun of you. I honestly don't know where or when that happened if indeed that's what it was. That's between you and her. I'm just sorry you feel this way. I'm sorry because I love you and I want people I love to be happy. And you're right I shouldn't defend you, but I did think your criticism was harsh because she was new then. I wanted to explain myself. I know new people who've left here because of harsh words. That has always been MET's argument and I try to be sensitive to it, but that's me. Maybe tough love is better but it takes a village, right? There's room here for all opinions.

So what am I to do? Dislike someone who has done nothing I've seen to deserve it because someone I really care about says she did something wrong? Nope, can't do that. If I defend someone I'm either kissing butt or protecting an inner circle. Feels no-win to me. Honestly all this arguing is making my eyes cross and it's not a good look for me.

I agree with your list of poets, especially Tara who came here with so much promise. I often wonder what she's writing now. Off the top of my head I'd add smithpeter is all his glorious variations and Deep Asleep, Senna Jawa (who is barely here now), darkmaas. I know there are others but I have to make more coffee first to recall them all. One person you mentioned is still very active under various alts. And Lauren is doing really well: just got a new flat and is on her way in her architecture career. Boy do I miss her being around more. She was my bestest editor ever. :)

I think Anna has the right idea with her poll threads. Focus on the poems. I'm sure I'd feel better if I could do that all the time, but I'm my father's daughter: I can never keep my mouth shut. I think it's genetic.

:heart:


I love you too, sweetie. And of course, you can like whoever you want. But what bugs me is people making excuses for me when I said what I wanted to say.

I disagree about keeping people by feeding them mush, and still again, what you are saying is also saying to me, that one opinion outweighs another because of the perception of tone or whatever. I've gotten FB that consisted of, gee, that was boring.... show, dont tell. But when I give the same advice, it's somehow harsh and wrong.

And this is the main point, why in the world does MY opinion cause you to even think for a moment you have to take sides? This is what baffles me...

I DO have smithpeter on my list, o3sp? wasnt that him? and palau? jeez, I cant remember all of his, but I know I loved his work.

and as for Miss Anna, oh, she set me on fire when she came here. she made me want to WORK hard and we had a misunderstanding almost at first but I cant think of anyone here that I love and adore as much as her. Talk about working hard, wow! just wow. At one point, I imagined her fingers bleeding from all that writing. I wish I had half her energy and a billionth of her talent.

anyway...I am sorry for being mean. As you are your father;s daughter, I ammine as well. He didnt mince words and maybe I could be sweeter, but whats the point... I'm still me and I still meant what I said. I DID NOT mean to hurt bijou wth my critique, but I cant honestly say I didnt want her to feel hurt afterwards. She hurt me, I responded with anger,. That was wrong. I know it. I have issues like that. I am working on it.

you broke me, happy now? Im not. maybe I can find a razor blade with my name on it to relieve some of the angst from not getting any damned sex in teh past month.

sorry, I just have to add this.

Focus on the poems.

I am trying, I was trying. Now, maybe I get cubby a little bit better but at least I dont threaten folks with violence.

ha ha

;)

:heart:
 
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normal jean said:
Thank you, Anna, I knew I forgot someone. And Rybka too. and Senna doesnt post enough to satisfy me. He is succinct but more than sufficient. An acquired taste, though. ;)


oh I did not mean where is she on your list :) just where is she where is she ? I miss her!
 
annaswirls said:
oh I did not mean where is she on your list :) just where is she where is she ? I miss her!


hehe, I thought the same, on both counts. she is on some of my faves lists, but I had noticed she wasn't here. I HOPE she is out enjoying nature and will come back with some more beautiful poems about hummingbirds or trees.

but regardless of where her physical being is, she deserves to be on a best of list. even if its just my best of list. she's good. and never gotten the recognition she deserves, but I think she would shy away from any spotlight. just seems very modest to me.

and YOU belong on my list too.

do you ever think that one or more of your sons will be a poet? OMG! My oldest daughter is, but she is a better short story writer. But she doesnt see that. I see her in ten or twenty years up there with Anna Rice or Philip K Dick. She is gooood. And that isnt just a mama talking. She has a story at Thieves jargon and a load of stuff at ER.

Potent Poetent potential, lol


thank you for coming back. I miss you. so much. but then, you know that.
 
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normal jean said:
I love you too, sweetie. And of course, you can like whoever you want. But what bugs me is people making excuses for me when I said what I wanted to say.

I disagree about keeping people by feeding them mush, and still again, what you are saying is also saying to me, that one opinion outweighs another because of the perception of tone or whatever. I've gotten FB that consisted of, gee, that was boring.... show, dont tell. But when I give the same advice, it's somehow harsh and wrong.

And this is the main point, why in the world does MY opinion cause you to even think for a moment you have to take sides? This is what baffles me...

I DO have smithpeter on my list, o3sp? wasnt that him? and palau? jeez, I cant remember all of his, but I know I loved his work.

and as for Miss Anna, oh, she set me on fire when she came here. she made me want to WORK hard and we had a misunderstanding almost at first but I cant think of anyone here that I love and adore as much as her. Talk about working hard, wow! just wow. At one point, I imagined her fingers bleeding from all that writing. I wish I had half her energy and a billionth of her talent.

anyway...I am sorry for being mean. As you are your father;s daughter, I ammine as well. He didnt mince words and maybe I could be sweeter, but whats the point... I'm still me and I still meant what I said. I DID NOT mean to hurt bijou wth my critique, but I cant honestly say I didnt want her to feel hurt afterwards. She hurt me, I responded with anger,. That was wrong. I know it. I have issues like that. I am working on it.

you broke me, happy now? Im not. maybe I can find a razor blade with my name on it to relieve some of the angst from not getting any damned sex in teh past month.

sorry, I just have to add this.

Focus on the poems.

I am trying, I was trying. Now, maybe I get cubby a little bit better but at least I dont threaten folks with violence.

ha ha

;)

:heart:

I'm not trying to break you or anyone else. If you want to talk about this or anything else, come on Yahoo. I'm here, mostly, editing a book (no not mine). I take lots of breaks. :cool:

I didn't even notice 03sp or Palau. Two Rivers (2rivers) is another.I really do have to make more coffee.
 
Angeline said:
I'm not trying to break you or anyone else. If you want to talk about this or anything else, come on Yahoo. I'm here, mostly, editing a book (no not mine). I take lots of breaks. :cool:

I didn't even notice 03sp or Palau. Two Rivers (2rivers) is another.I really do have to make more coffee.

I was kidding... maybe I better stop trying to do that. It comes out wrong.

I'm going to spend some of hubby's hard earned money on warm clothes as it is down in the 40's at night now. I'm freezing. and I promise I will not be mean anymore. Okay. I promise.

smile sweet Lady, there s a special spot in heaven for peace makers. I just hope you don't head that way for about 95 more years.

:heart:
 
normal jean said:
and YOU belong on my list too.

do you ever think that one or more of your sons will be a poet?


Well, my youngest son started singing this one at the table, he has a scary skill for rhyming on the spot, so he might be one of those rhymer guys that show up around here from time to time

(sung to the tune of Spider Man)

Carrot man, carrot man
Does whatever a carrot can
Please don't cry, please don't shout
If my carrot knocks you out.
Look out it's carrot man.


Hmm. Not sure about the poet potential, but he is a romantic at heart, is always saying the sweetest things.

Right now he wants to be a forest ranger kind of guy, maybe in South America and make jewelry at night.
 
neonurotic said:
I miss Boo too. In one of her last posts back in August, she mentions she doesn't have a computer and has a difficult time getting online.

Don't know if Boo's solved her 'puter problems but I did get a long & very nice note from her a couple months back in which she was hoping to pop in here around World Series time. Am keeping her in my thoughts and hoping all's getting better for her.
:rose:
 
annaswirls said:
Well, my youngest son started singing this one at the table, he has a scary skill for rhyming on the spot, so he might be one of those rhymer guys that show up around here from time to time

(sung to the tune of Spider Man)

Carrot man, carrot man
Does whatever a carrot can
Please don't cry, please don't shout
If my carrot knocks you out.
Look out it's carrot man.


Hmm. Not sure about the poet potential, but he is a romantic at heart, is always saying the sweetest things.

Right now he wants to be a forest ranger kind of guy, maybe in South America and make jewelry at night.

That is precious. I know I don't have to encourage you to encourage him. Kids can be so much fun. I will be glad when my big girl gets married and has a couple of her own.

:rose:
 
annaswirls said:
Well, my youngest son started singing this one at the table, he has a scary skill for rhyming on the spot, so he might be one of those rhymer guys that show up around here from time to time

(sung to the tune of Spider Man)

Carrot man, carrot man
Does whatever a carrot can
Please don't cry, please don't shout
If my carrot knocks you out.
Look out it's carrot man.


Hmm. Not sure about the poet potential, but he is a romantic at heart, is always saying the sweetest things.

Right now he wants to be a forest ranger kind of guy, maybe in South America and make jewelry at night.
as:

I loved that. I'd say package it up with a title and bio and send it here. Betcha even money they'll take it and give your kid five bucks.

Hey, if they don't I'll give him five bucks for the rights.

There should be a period after L2. I debated whether to suggest changing L5 to Look out! It's carrot man. but I think it is better as originally written.

I love this poem.

Buy your son a dri..., uh, juice box for me. The kid's got talent. ;)
 
annaswirls said:
Well, my youngest son started singing this one at the table, he has a scary skill for rhyming on the spot, so he might be one of those rhymer guys that show up around here from time to time

(sung to the tune of Spider Man)

Carrot man, carrot man
Does whatever a carrot can
Please don't cry, please don't shout
If my carrot knocks you out.
Look out it's carrot man.


Hmm. Not sure about the poet potential, but he is a romantic at heart, is always saying the sweetest things.

Right now he wants to be a forest ranger kind of guy, maybe in South America and make jewelry at night.


The shop I'm in has a design area where folks can come in and make jewelry for themselves. Some of the most impressive designers I've seen have, oddly or not, been young boys. They're often esthetically driven, they take risks and make strong designs, they have a good sense of symmetry, and they're not afraid to use interesting color combinations. The results have been stunning. Just had a little guy about 9 in with his mom the other day, and he built a hematite piece that was so tough I wanted it for myself. Excellent, powerful design. All I did was show him how to work the design board and give him the tray of hematite beads. I was amazed.

I don't know how early one gets on a career track for South American forest rangers (which sounds way cooooool) but I'd say by all means get him to a good bead shop and let him start messing around. They're damn good at that age, in my opinion.

Someday I'll meet a young Erte, I just know it.

bijou
 
Tzara said:
as:

I loved that. I'd say package it up with a title and bio and send it here. Betcha even money they'll take it and give your kid five bucks.

Hey, if they don't I'll give him five bucks for the rights.

There should be a period after L2. I debated whether to suggest changing L5 to Look out! It's carrot man. but I think it is better as originally written.

I love this poem.

Buy your son a dri..., uh, juice box for me. The kid's got talent. ;)


hehe you are sweet! don't encourage me or I will start posting kid stories here on a regular basis, and I know if there is not shared DNA, kid stories can be quite annoying :)
 
Thanks!

My kid sounds just like what you are referring to. We were making beaded Christmas ornaments last weekend and I was doing the traditional boring patterns, you know, NICE. And HE was making the craziest combinations and thank goodness I kept my trap shut and did not offer suggestions in the beginning because they looked GREAT! Nothing I would have imagined.

I will try not to let society crush his creativity from him as what happens to so many boys. We have lots and lots of beads, he has been making necklaces ever since I can remember.... back when he could only thread with shoe laces.

I want to come to your shop!!! So far we have been sticking to acrylic beads for budgetary reasons, but someday, he will behold the power of hematite :)

okay, movie night!!!

as

unpredictablebijou said:
The shop I'm in has a design area where folks can come in and make jewelry for themselves. Some of the most impressive designers I've seen have, oddly or not, been young boys. They're often esthetically driven, they take risks and make strong designs, they have a good sense of symmetry, and they're not afraid to use interesting color combinations. The results have been stunning. Just had a little guy about 9 in with his mom the other day, and he built a hematite piece that was so tough I wanted it for myself. Excellent, powerful design. All I did was show him how to work the design board and give him the tray of hematite beads. I was amazed.

I don't know how early one gets on a career track for South American forest rangers (which sounds way cooooool) but I'd say by all means get him to a good bead shop and let him start messing around. They're damn good at that age, in my opinion.

Someday I'll meet a young Erte, I just know it.

bijou
 
normal jean said:
I will not apologize for speaking my mind. and now I am in the position of defending myself because some of you have tried to water down what I said because of your own opinion of her. PLease don't do that. MY opinions are just as real as anyones and hell, this country isn't communist, yet.
....editted out....
The facts of life are, I don't have to like someone. I dont have to like their poetry just because the majority does and when that makes me a bad guy, then poetry doesn't have a fucking thing to do with it anymore.

and always remember, I've been accused of being a very bad guy but not by anybody I have respect for. And I have alot of respect for alot of people's work, we can and should disagree, so even if you are are not mentioned...

What can I say? Your opinion has value, perhaps moreso to me, reasons:
1.)You have written things that have humbled me, rare group here of maybe five,
annaswirls, WickedEve, Tarablackwood and that bastard jd4george, who could outpun the living daylights out of me.
2.) You have written things I wish I had written, small group here also:
Tathagata, Bogusbrig, and that bastard jd4george who sometimes was just too fucking good to be believed.
3.) your comments on mine have been insightful, often getting what I thought I buried - deep.
4.) You do not fall into the trap of what poetry should be like jd4george didn't either, or annaswirls, or WickedEve.

God I miss jd4george,
I'm glad Pat Carrington still graces the place, my beloved opponet, the High Priest of Linearity. I miss jthserra too, my other beloved opponet. Tara...
 
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twelveoone said:
and always remember, I've been accused of being a very bad guy but not by anybody I have respect for. And I have alot of respect for alot of people's work, we can and should disagree, so even if you are are not mentioned...

What can I say? Your opinion has value, perhaps moreso to me, reasons:
1.)You have written things that have humbled me, rare group here of maybe five,
annaswirls, WickedEve, Tarablackwood and that bastard jd4george, who could outpun the living daylights out of me.
2.) You have written things I wish I had written, small group here also:
Tathagata, Bogusbrig, and that bastard jd4george who sometimes was just too fucking good to be believed.
3.) your comments on mine have been insightful, often getting what I thought I buried - deep.
4.) You do not fall into the trap of what poetry should be like jd4george didn't either, or annaswirls, or WickedEve.

God I miss jd4george,
I'm glad Pat Carrington still graces the place, my beloved opponet, the High Priest of Linearity. I miss jthserra too, my other beloved opponet. Tara...
I love when you mention my name. I seriously do. You don't give a damn about me one way or the other, but you do seem to give a damn about some of my poetry. As a poet, that actually means more to me.
 
WickedEve said:
I love when you mention my name. I seriously do. You don't give a damn about me one way or the other, but you do seem to give a damn about some of my poetry. As a poet, that actually means more to me.
I guess you never got that bouquet of lemons and canned hams I sent you.

I dunno baby, ya always so mean to me
I dunno baby, what does ya mean to me

Hey goddam it I wrote a poem about you, allright it had banjo boy and alligators in it,
pine trees, you remember the pine trees? I thought you liked that kind of stuff.

What in the hell do you want, rodadendrons?

WickedEve
WickedEve
WickedEve
one of my top three
after me
one of my top three

Seriously, nobody writes like you. Everybody knows it can be devilishly twisted, but you also create a sense of empathy for the characters, very hard to do. They live in your words. That is a writer, babe.
 
twelveoone said:
I guess you never got that bouquet of lemons and canned hams I sent you.

I dunno baby, ya always so mean to me
I dunno baby, what does ya mean to me

Hey goddam it I wrote a poem about you, allright it had banjo boy and alligators in it,
pine trees, you remember the pine trees? I thought you liked that kind of stuff.

What in the hell do you want, rodadendrons?

WickedEve
WickedEve
WickedEve
one of my top three
after me
one of my top three

Seriously, nobody writes like you. Everybody knows it can be devilishly twisted, but you also create a sense of empathy for the characters, very hard to do. They live in your words. That is a writer, babe.



glad you said it, she doesnt believe some of us... :p
 
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