The Republican Party is about to give us absolute proof that their critics were right

[Ishmael]

No good can come of it. John, to "get along," will reach across the aisles and institute a lot of what Hillary will never be able to accomplish because of her triangulation. When the shit hits the fan, the press and the Democrats won't blame their ideas, they'll blame McCain and the Republicans just as they do now...

Fool me once (Bush!), shame on you. Fool me twice, shame, shame, shame on me.

I'm voting Libertarian and if the true Conservatives and Christians were smart, they'd move in, take over the Libertarian party, and use it to turn the Republicans into Whigs.

Reason enough not to vote for John.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I know this is tasteless, crass, crude, and beneath my usual standards, but if ever a heart attack could be deemed timely...

 

[firespin]

I don't really care who you vote for, and if you really only support McCain 10% of the time, that's cool. I'm not particularly keen on any of these people, but he seems less bad than some, perhaps I'm deluded.

McCain is not THAT different from other e.g. republicans, so if you only agree with him 10% of the time, you're not going to agree with Huckabee more than like 40% of the time (guessing here), since they agree on lots (but not all) things other than immigration, political contributions, and other conservative bete noir.

I have no idea if this site is a tool for some organization, but it seems to be collecting some good info, I highlighted some things that seem odd coming from someone you only agree with 10% of the time.

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)
Career-long history of supporting Indian causes. (Jan 2000)
More death penalty; stricter sentencing. (Jan 2000)
Rated 85% by the NCJA, indicating a "tough-on-crime" stance. (Dec 2005)
Climate change is real; nuclear power is solution. (Oct 2007)
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
Pro-NAFTA, pro-GATT, pro-MFN, pro-Fast Track. (Jul 1998)
Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Rated 25% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 15% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 33% by the AU, a mixed record on church-state separation. (Dec 2006)
# Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
# Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
# Rated 72% by NTU, indicating "Satisfactory" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)
# Rated 50% by CTJ, indicating a mixed record on progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

My support for Huckabee is like the Democrats support of abortion, a single issue:




Fairtax.org




I hear rumors McCain has shown a "new" interest in it.




He also gets my sympathy because the Christians are our last bulwark against Islam and BOTH parties now seem to be on the warpath against Christians (and Chuck's a nice guy)...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I don't support "Indian" issues...

They need to get over them.

*****

McCain/Feingold (because we're all corrupted by the money, so we'll limit free speech to us incumbants and the media, which is why this is the Titanic election, it's just a re-arrangement of the deck chairs and a circling of the wagons to exclude the 'outsiders').

Now, let's extrapolate a bit. John's best friends, Kerry and Kennedy come to him and say, "You know, Rush, Sean, Neal, et. al., were unfairly harsh in their attempts to swiftboat you and you have our sympathy as 'Savaged' fellows. Don't you think the Fairness Doctrine is in order here, not to limit anyone's free speech, John, but just to return the balance to the equation, and make everything fair. Doesn't free speech mean BOTH sides of the argument?"

I'll take an unbalanced budget over that ANY DAY OF THE FUCKING WEEK because John would go for it!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

PS - How many times have the Libs reminded us that Bush's brother was caught up in the S&L scandal back in the day?




Can you say Keating Five, or does John get a pass on that too because it's better than having a Democrat as President?




Might as well make Jack Murtha Sec of Defense or Treasury...

 

[firespin]

My support for Huckabee is like the Democrats support of abortion, a single issue:

Fairtax.org

I hear rumors McCain has shown a "new" interest in it.

He also gets my sympathy because the Christians are our last bulwark against Islam and BOTH parties now seem to be on the warpath against Christians (and Chuck's a nice guy)...

Hmm. I personally wouldn't vote for a president because they say they favor a whole new scheme of taxation. Bush couldn't even get a sympathetic congress to help privative social security. They just don't have the clout to get the legislature to re-write the tax laws en masse, so it's sort of a moot issue for presidents.

Chuck the nice guy...isn't that like McCain the levelheaded leader? Sort of a media fiction, if you get my drift.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I dispute that Bush ever had a sympathetic Congress, especially when populated by people like McCain, and I do get your drift.




I refuse to vote FOR a Republican amnesty. If the Democrats are going to do it, fine, they get that legacy along with the loss of the middle class as employers stop paying the wages that Americans will work for in favor of the rates Mexicans will work for.

 

[firespin]

At the risk of being ridiculed, one reason I'm not as worried about McCain in the oval office (which to me seems at least as likely as the other choices...I think he knocks our Mitt Tuesday, and Hilary does likewise to Obama, and he rates an even shot in November due to her high negatives...) is that, as a senator, he always wanted to be in the spotlight, and said and did some halfbaked things to get there, knowing that a lot of what a senator says and does doesn't matter all that much in the overall scheme of things.

As a president, he's got the spotlight 24x7, so he can afford to actually think through some of these things with advisors who know that they are talking about. Plus he'll have a whole congress and bureaucracy to help rein in his wackier impulses, and I can imagine him listening to them, unlike dubya or Mike.

I'm not in favor of limiting free speech, and I buy in general the argument that campaign finance reform limits some speech...but as a practical matter, I don't see that it has affected the flow of money very much, just how it gets to where it needs to get to.

I'm also not in favor of amnesty...it would be better to have work permits or something. The idea that we ship everybody out of the country isn't going to work...who would do that? There are so many people here already. Not to mention that various sectors of the economy like agriculture and hospitality and construction would really be hit hard...middle class american's don't realy want to pick fruit or change linens or lay bricks all day in the hot sun..cause if they did, there's lots of that work to be had.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

John McCain would work with Lieberman to, as Bill admitted, to slow down our economy to save the ecology...




And when the jobs go, so will the Republicans and so will the Republic. John has always tried to curry the favor of the mob, and I don't see how making him "Admiral" changes his stripes. You are excersizing the same wishful thinking that we all used to justify another Bush Administration...




He will bring the terrorists into our court system so that the ACLU will be able to work in their behalf.

I'd rather have the idiot Huckabee in office, who knows, maybe we'll all be surprised, but I see John, Barack, and Hillary as just the Tyranny of the Elites strengthing their grip upon our liberties.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Right now, in the theaters, there is a movie about Hillary Clinton, but because of McCain/Feingold, the producers and directors cannot advertise it.





Isn't Hollywood supposed to have unlimited free speech?

 

[firespin]

Right now, in the theaters, there is a movie about Hillary Clinton, but because of McCain/Feingold, the producers and directors cannot advertise it.

Umm...sure...not advertising a movie about Hillary is a bad thing. It'll take me a few minutes to remember why tho. A movie about Hillary? Yikes.

Let me see, which one is it?

"Over Her Dead Body"? - the story of her marriage to Bill
"Untraceable"? - the story of her White House years
Ah, I see..."Strange Wilderness" - her foreign policy

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Here's what I know to be true...

We won't see any of John's warts until he has secured the nomination, he is being protected. The Left and the Press have identified which Republican candidate is best positioned to help them make history, and they judged that candidate to be McCain, who will easily be taken out by an aggressive free ad campaign by the press in the favor of the Democrats.

The only good thing about it will be the irony of seeing the man hoisted upon his own petard...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Brokeback Molehill...

 

[firespin]

Here's what I know to be true...

We won't see any of John's warts until he has secured the nomination, he is being protected. The Left and the Press have identified which Republican candidate is best positioned to help them make history, and they judged that candidate to be McCain, who will easily be taken out by an aggressive free ad campaign by the press in the favor of the Democrats.

The only good thing about it will be the irony of seeing the man hoisted upon his own petard...

Pay attention. It's the right wing that has the global conspiracy. The left wing couldn't even beat Dubya when Iraq was blowing up all around him.

If the conservatives are so effective in terms of electoral strategy, how on earth did they lose New Hampshire and Florida to McCain? And how do you explain the Fred Thompson campaign, or lack thereof. I don't see this as being the conservative's year. May as well let the Admiral have a shot. Its not really SO bad even if he wins, though opposition is more fun in terms of throwing molotov cocktails and such.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Pay attention. It's the right wing that has the global conspiracy. The left wing couldn't even beat Dubya when Iraq was blowing up all around him.

If the conservatives are so effective in terms of electoral strategy, how on earth did they lose New Hampshire and Florida to McCain? And how do you explain the Fred Thompson campaign, or lack thereof. I don't see this as being the conservative's year. May as well let the Admiral have a shot. Its not really SO bad even if he wins, though opposition is more fun in terms of throwing molotov cocktails and such.

They beat his party like a drum. It's not my fault that they defined the definition of war-hero downward to include Kerry's corpse...

Fred and Rudy were arrogant in telling the little states (redneck translation: the little guy) that their/his vote wasn't important enough, and when these fucktards did enter the fray, all they did was siphon off the votes from Mitt.

Yeah, it's the war hero's turn. I guess you forget the Dole campaign...

Yeah, he would be so bad. I repeat: The Democrats get "their" legislation while John and the Republicans get the blame and permanent minority status. Back to the good ol' days...

 

[firespin]

Yeah, it's the war hero's turn. I guess you forget the Dole campaign...

I almost had. Now I'll have to start all over.

Clinton wasn't gonna lose no matter which sacrificial lamb got slaughtered. "Tonight, in the hapless challenger role, the part of Walter Mondale will be played by Bob Dole".

The Dodgers moved to LA? Who knew?

 

[miles]

What does Newt think?

 

[unregistered]

 

[zipman]

I dispute that Bush ever had a sympathetic Congress, especially when populated by people like McCain, and I do get your drift.

I find this viewpoint simply astounding!

He didn't even need to veto any legislation for the first 6 years.

How can you possibly say he didn't have a sympathetic congress?

 

[Sean]

Can one of you yanks tell me if Kansas is an open or closed primary?

 

[Wok]

Can one of you yanks tell me if Kansas is an open or closed primary?

Looks like it is a caucus and is on Feb. 5th.

 

[WickedSpitFire]

Personally, regardless of policy and politics...as long as a democrat wins I don't care. The Republican candidates scare me; I'll likely be moving to Canada if Romney wins.

History in the making, but yet no one knows how it's going to play out. Obama would be alright...I just hope he'd make it a year. Hilary would be alright too; her chances of surviving seem higher to me.

I'm proud to be a Californian. We didn't vote for Bush. We were blue through and through. Though I'll admit those who voted for Bush lost some political credibility...

 

[Problem Child]

I'll likely be moving to Canada if Romney wins.

Jesus, I fucking hate this crap.

 

[Sean]

Looks like it is a caucus and is on Feb. 5th.

Thanks, J. It's just that A_J said he's going to be voting for Huckabee. I was wondering if that proved he was a registered Rep.