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The Republican Party is about to give us absolute proof that their critics were right
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Clinton did not win a majority; a more inspirational candidate would have easily been able to win over the third-party gang and McCain is not inspirational to this former Democrat.
Romney won Maine. That means when you add up all the "conservative" delegates, they are leading McCain's 121 to 93...
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Cap’n AMatrixca;25914729 said:
Umm...sure...Clinton did get 49.2% and beat Dole by 8.5%, which in national politics is a beating, within a percentage point of Reagan's defeat of Carter on both numbers. (Admittedly, not as much a beating as Mondale got in 84.)
I have no notion that you will ever be interested in McCain...there are way too many examples of people who can't stand his politics and are willing to vent all over the place. Ann Coulter is probably right that he's more liberal than Hillary, expect for his position on the war. Well, and abortion. And affirmative action. And the death penalty. And the second amendment. And school choice. If internet posting energy translated to votes, we'd all be saluting Ron Paul as we type.
After Tuesday's WTA primaries in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Arizona, the delegate totals are going to look a bit different, wouldn't you think? McCain is also pretty much a lock to take a majority in California and Illinois. He may suck and all, but that doesn't seem to stop people from voting for him in greater numbers than for Mitt and way more than Mike. If Mike had dropped out before tomorrow, then things would have got interesting, but he didn't, so they won't.
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As for McCain's position on the war...
He'll sit down with the "reasonable," "middle-of-the-road" voices and then pull back from the "cowboy" diplomacy, and re-deploy, because if he doesn't his coat-tails will not win him enough Republicans to stop the defunding of the war; to his generation, it's simply deja-Viet-vu all over again and he will help prove, once again, that while our military is up to the job, our ever-growing National Anchor is not...
As for the numbers, once you get to the convention, there will be more NOT for McCain than for McCain, and when they are released where will they go?
If it's McCain, I say, let the Democrats win because the Republicans have lost touch with their base and are willing to play the "elite chair shuffle" with all the usual insiders simply getting new titles.
In short, the mob is demanding change and McCain ain't change, he's old-guard, liberal old-guard at that.
He'll sit down with the "reasonable," "middle-of-the-road" voices and then pull back from the "cowboy" diplomacy, and re-deploy, because if he doesn't his coat-tails will not win him enough Republicans to stop the defunding of the war; to his generation, it's simply deja-Viet-vu all over again and he will help prove, once again, that while our military is up to the job, our ever-growing National Anchor is not...
As for the numbers, once you get to the convention, there will be more NOT for McCain than for McCain, and when they are released where will they go?
If it's McCain, I say, let the Democrats win because the Republicans have lost touch with their base and are willing to play the "elite chair shuffle" with all the usual insiders simply getting new titles.
In short, the mob is demanding change and McCain ain't change, he's old-guard, liberal old-guard at that.
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Has Turd Fergeson been alerted?
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Did you mean to say "beamed up?"
A democrat wins...we:
- pull out of Iraq,
- put in nationalized health care,
- raise taxes,
- make gay marriage legal,
- provide amnesty for illegal immigrants under way less restrictive conditions than McCain outlined,
- seat liberal supreme court justices,
- further restrict free speech and gun rights,
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A democrat wins...we:
and you tell me we should be happy because Republicans won't be "responsible" for these things, and eight years later we will have a chance to have some mythical charismatic true conservative in office, who will somehow be able to unwind all these things? That somehow that's better then living with just the handful of wacky ideas that McCain is going to push? I don't really care what happens to PACs, or the arctic wildlife refuge. I care a lot about the supreme court and taxes and nationalized health care. Those things can't be unwound. Ever see a program go away?
- pull out of Iraq,
- put in nationalized health care,
- raise taxes,
- make gay marriage legal,
- provide amnesty for illegal immigrants under way less restrictive conditions than McCain outlined,
- seat liberal supreme court justices,
- further restrict free speech and gun rights,
McCain wins...we:
- pull out of Iraq,
- put in nationalized health care,
- raise taxes,
- make gay marriage legal,
- provide amnesty for illegal immigrants under way less restrictive conditions than McCain outlined,
- seat liberal supreme court justices,
- further restrict free speech and gun rights,
He came out of Nam damaged goods, and by his own admission, his family paid the price upon his return. He has learned to put a veneer over his wounds, but that's all it is and Kerry and Kennedy, the men who know him the best know that, know that he loves a fawning press, and knows they can get him to work with them. He's been proving that ever since he got to the Senate. He's a Democrat Manchurian candidate.
There's not one item in his list he won't sign off on JUST to have high approval ratings.
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I remember a stout, resolute McCain, dead-set against normalizing relations with Vietnam...
Kerry took him to Vietnam. They had a good cry. McCain came back and voted to normalize realtions with the murdering communist regime...
Kerry took him to Vietnam. They had a good cry. McCain came back and voted to normalize realtions with the murdering communist regime...
Ok, whatever. I'll take the under on those. The man has an ego, but he's not an idiot. Much of the criticism you cite re: McCain being a country club elitist is what people said about Bush I, and while I'm no fan of Souter or tax rate adjustments, he was hardly Kennedy in sheep's clothing. Am I glad Dukakis didn't get elected? Yesssss.
I say McCain wins Tuesday in every state except Utah, Massachusetts and a few small ones, maybe Arkansas, and goes to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates.
I say McCain wins Tuesday in every state except Utah, Massachusetts and a few small ones, maybe Arkansas, and goes to the convention with a majority of pledged delegates.
Yeah, yeah, he switches positions. Unlike, say, Mitt. Or Hillary. Or Bush. Or...any politician. And yes, he does it more than most.
But on the Vietnam thing...we're in trouble now. What next, normalized relations with Russia or China? Good thing that Cuba sanction policy is working so well...Casto has really had a lot of internal pressure these last forty years.
Just a head's up on the whole libertarian thing. What other countries do internally is none of our business, to a true libertarian.
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Keating Five...
I hope you're enjoying carrying his water as much as the New York Times, but remember, I said, "when the nomination has been won, that dam will burst because the Democrat attack machine and the people in the press have as long a memory as I do, and it's better."
The best you can hope for with a McCain win is a Democrat agenda with the Republicans to take the blame.
So campaign for your guy, because his win will be the same way as when Clinton won his two elections. He may very well win a plurality of the Republican Nomination, he may very well be the candidate, but I'm not a Republican, I am a conservative, and I'm tired of being told that because I am a conservative that I have no other alternative than to vote Republican or the world is going to end. I do have an alternative, and I am not alone. [voice=BillyBird] I am REALLY not alone. [/voice]
Let's see how well McCain does nationally without Limbaugh, Hannity, and Boortz...
We'll see how much the Times loves him then.
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This whole post is simply ad hominem of me by class. Stick to the issues or you will turn people off to your ideas.
This is why McCain will gain no steam, he doesn't want to win me over with his ideas, he wants me to vote for him because he's a Republican. He wants me to completely forget his past, remember that he is a war hero, and then hope and pray that his party has me so afraid of the Clintons that I will do something stupid.
How well did that same exact strategy work out for Kerry against Bush? A push? And Kerry had the press campaigning FOR him...
If you think he's going to win, you're going to need a sounder argument than attacking my belief system.
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AND, And, and....
It gets worse if it's Obama V McCain; read the sigline...
It gets worse if it's Obama V McCain; read the sigline...
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yes you are.
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Grow up...
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be honest
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I am.
Have you read any of this fucking thread?
Have you read any of this fucking thread?
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Cap’n AMatrixca;25915208 said:
Attacking your beliefs, your ideas, is not an Ad Hominem or a personal attack. You and Ish need to learn to seperate your "Self" from your "ideas". You accuse everyone of "Attacking the messenger" when they attack your message, it isn't remotely the same thing and you make yourself look a fool for insisting that it is.
You place your ideas, your beliefs on an unassailable pedestal and drag everyone else's through the mud.
Cap'n Hypocrite will always bee your nom de plume no matter what you change your Lit handle to.
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UD; finish eating your crayon and stop talking with your mouth full...
Did you read anything I wrote about McCain or the issues? Seemingly not...I don't particularly favor him as an individual vs. anybody else, but that's not the main reason I choose whom to vote for.
You don't like McCain because you don't trust him and think his position on every issue is suspect. That's fine, but the evidence to support that, is, in my opinion, thin. Normalizing relations with Vietnam to me is not an example of McCain being crazy or spineless, since he's a free trader in most cases anyway.
I don't go out of my way to make ad hominems, and in general you make reasonable cases even when I disagree with your premises, but I do get confused when you describe yourself as libertarian-leaning because you like sales taxes vs. income taxes, but then espouse a variety of non-libertarian positions in areas such as foreign policy and religious tolerance.
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Hur Hur Hur... You so funny..
But what I said is true and everyone knows it, including you.
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I simply think things out for myself, issue-by-issue.
McCain is damaged goods on so many levels and has been for so many years in that he really has no stand on the issues, like Hillary, it's just what he's saying today, and it's usually just a reflection of the polls. He isn't guided by any core philosophy other than the art of the deal, a bad habit most senators aquire. Deal-makers cannot lead, for they are only as good and as trustworthy as the next deal, and McCain has a history of making bad deals just to get the deal to go down (so move it on over). If that's what you want then who you vote for doesn't matter, Hillary or McCain are the same candidate.
I'd rather see Romney V Obama rather than an old guard fight, for then, nothing will change, not the acrimony, the divisions, nothing; those two only exacerbate the feelings...
McCain is damaged goods on so many levels and has been for so many years in that he really has no stand on the issues, like Hillary, it's just what he's saying today, and it's usually just a reflection of the polls. He isn't guided by any core philosophy other than the art of the deal, a bad habit most senators aquire. Deal-makers cannot lead, for they are only as good and as trustworthy as the next deal, and McCain has a history of making bad deals just to get the deal to go down (so move it on over). If that's what you want then who you vote for doesn't matter, Hillary or McCain are the same candidate.
I'd rather see Romney V Obama rather than an old guard fight, for then, nothing will change, not the acrimony, the divisions, nothing; those two only exacerbate the feelings...
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i did, its typical you.
Which is also typical right-wing radio media and so forth.
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