The Republican Party is about to give us absolute proof that their critics were right

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The same right-wing media that you submit only parrots Republican talking points?






How do you have your cake and eat it too?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Republicans...errr, "Independents"....like Dances With Falsehoods/C'apn just can't come to grips with the realization that there are simply very few voters remaining in America who are willing to embrace their doctrine of "All war, All hate, All the time".

The Age of Ishmaelization of America draws rapidly to its pathetic close.

 

[Saint Boner]

I love that the right Wing will have no dog in this election. God it warms my heart to see America reject their sorry ass. We will not be much better off after the election but at least the rabid dogs will be euthanized.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

John McCain says, "I will nominate conservative judges..."




But, if one of the Liberal Supremes steps down, will he side with his Senate buddies in "keeping the balance?"






My Magic 8-Ball says: "Make book on it!"

 

[RobDownSouth]

This whole post is simply ad hominem of me by class.

Oh, grow a pair why don'tcha?

For all your blustering about your Marine Corps service and your black belt, you sure whine like a nancy-boi.

"He's....He's...mocking Republicans! That's AD HOMINEM BY CLASS! Mommmmmy!"

 

[zipman]

Oh, grow a pair why don'tcha?

For all your blustering about your Marine Corps service and your black belt, you sure whine like a nancy-boi.

"He's....He's...mocking Republicans! That's AD HOMINEM BY CLASS! Mommmmmy!"

"Ad Hominem by class" is a made up term that means any post that is critical of republicans or republican sympathizers here on Lit.

For some reason, it doesn't cover his daily attacks on liberals/democrats.


Funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[unregistered]

 

[firespin]

The 14th amendment doesn't define "natural born citizens". It just says that if your parents run across the border to give birth to you in the US, you're good to go.

It doesn't say anything about what happens if your citizen parents give birth to you outside the US...clearly, in that case, you are still a natural born citizen of the US, per the old statutes and a history of corresponding precedents.

 

[unregistered]

 

[firespin]

The Constitution trumps any statute or precedent.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

"Thus, the Constitution itself (in the 14th Amendment) defines "natural born citizen" as "born...in the United States" and all other citizens made so by laws of Congress as "naturalized" citizens."

I understand you're looking for a problem in good faith, but trust me, there's none here. If there was any fire here, the smoke would be much darker than one writer to one somewhat obscure commentator.

In Engish, saying "All As are B", in this case, all persons born in the US are citizens, says nothing about things which are not A, in this case persons born outside the US. It's entirely possible that some not A's are also B...in this case, some people both outside the US are native born citizens. That clause simply doesn't address that issue.

If there was a different wording or different clause, e.g. "All natural born US citizens are persons born in the United States", then you'd have a point, but it doesn't say that, and what it does say isn't the same as this.

The line about the "constitution defining natural born citizen" is the opinion of the writer, and not something that will impact the election.

 

[Fagin]

The line about the "constitution defining natural born citizen" is the opinion of the writer, and not something that will impact the election.

Unless Hillary loses to him, then any claim to the throne is fair game.

 

[firespin]

Unless Hillary loses to him, then any claim to the throne is fair game.

So if we come up with something that says he's not yet 35, or the electoral college is illegal, or he was on the grassy knoll... there's still hope for somebody else. Maybe Steve Colbert?

 

[Fagin]

So if we come up with something that says he's not yet 35, or the electoral college is illegal, or he was on the grassy knoll... there's still hope for somebody else. Maybe Steve Colbert?

Under the Constitution, Dick Cheney could become the president.

 

[TurdFergeson]

I understand you're looking for a problem in good faith, but trust me, there's none here. If there was any fire here, the smoke would be much darker than one writer to one somewhat obscure commentator.

In Engish, saying "All As are B", in this case, all persons born in the US are citizens, says nothing about things which are not A, in this case persons born outside the US. It's entirely possible that some not A's are also B...in this case, some people both outside the US are native born citizens. That clause simply doesn't address that issue.

If there was a different wording or different clause, e.g. "All natural born US citizens are persons born in the United States", then you'd have a point, but it doesn't say that, and what it does say isn't the same as this.

The line about the "constitution defining natural born citizen" is the opinion of the writer, and not something that will impact the election.

What??

You're crazy.

It's simple.."natural born citizen" definition:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

-Anyone born inside the United States
-Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
-Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
-Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
-Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be -determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
-A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


John McCain's status questioned:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/junkie/archive/junkie070998.htm

 

[firespin]

What??

You're crazy.

It's simple.."natural born citizen" definition:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

-Anyone born inside the United States
-Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
-Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
-Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
-Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be -determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
-A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


John McCain's status questioned:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/junkie/archive/junkie070998.htm

Turd the Troll...I get it.

But for the record,

- McCain meets the third definition listed above, and
- the article concludes that his natural born citizen-ness is not in question.

Go away, monsieur Turd.

 

[Borscht]

I honestly don't see anyother way unless Romney squeaks through. The 'Country Clubbers' are back in charge and they've written the conservatives off. Most likely because they think, in the end, we'll turn to, grit our teeth, and pull the lever for their boy rather than Hillary or Obama. They can't quite seem to accept that there are other options and that we just might prefer to see Hillary or Obama in charge than to put up with their arrogance and bullshit.

Ishmael

Yeah, you might just do that.

But what are the odds ?

 

[TurdFergeson]

Turd the Troll...I get it.

But for the record,

- McCain meets the third definition listed above, and
- the article concludes that his natural born citizen-ness is not in question.

Go away, monsieur Turd.

I never said he didn't meet the elegibility, I said it was questioned in that interesting and on topic article.

 

[CNYCarol]

If you are NOT a liberal in your 20's, you have no HEART.

If you are NOT a conservative by your 30's, you have no BRAIN!

 

[TurdFergeson]

If you are NOT a liberal in your 20's, you have no HEART.

If you are NOT a conservative by your 30's, you have no BRAIN!

A bit simplistic.

Most are a combination of both.

 

[unregistered]

 

[firespin]

I don't think it will impact the election at all and I'm not looking for anything. I saw this article, and realizing the Constitution is pretty clear, I thought it was legitimate subject matter. I know nothing will be done about it, yet there it is.

Oh, and your interpretation, is just that. Bone up on your reading skills.

Thanks for the advice; I hope you'll do likewise.

This is all ultimately a matter of interpretation for courts, etc., and all of us can have our own, irrelevant interpretations. However, I'm puzzled now, since you're a smart guy--assuming you agree with the writer that that part of the 14th amendment says people born outside the US can't become president, why do you think nobody trying to defeat McCain, say Romney, has brought it up? Don't they see it as clearly as you do?

 

[hogjack]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush introduced a $3.1 trillion budget on Monday that supports sizable increases in military spending to fight the war on terrorism and protects his signature tax cuts......

Bush projects that the deficits, which had been declining, will soar to near-record levels, hitting $410 billion this year and $407 billion in 2009.

Genuine fiscal conservatives must wince at the continuing folly of this fool.

 

[Lost Cause]

From Ron Paul~

Delegates to the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis are elected by the state delegates. Internal results from 10 of 16 counties, including the largest cities of Portland, South Portland, Lewiston, Auburn, Augusta, Waterville, Bangor, and Brewer, show Ron Paul picking up 215 of 608 State Convention delegates so far reported, or 35%.

“Ron Paul’s strong second place finish in Maine, in which he beat John McCain, is proof that this race is far from over,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “We’ll continue to battle for every delegate in this wide-open race for the Republican nomination.”

In the presidential preference poll, with 70 percent reporting, Ron Paul is in third place just two percentage points behind John McCain. However, the Maine preference poll is purely a beauty contest, and in the actual election of state delegates the so-called “frontrunner” McCain is far behind Ron Paul.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Delegates to the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis are elected by the state delegates. Internal results from 10 of 16 counties, including the largest cities of Portland, South Portland, Lewiston, Auburn, Augusta, Waterville, Bangor, and Brewer, show Ron Paul picking up 215 of 608 State Convention delegates so far reported, or 35%.

“Ron Paul’s strong second place finish in Maine, in which he beat John McCain, is proof that this race is far from over,” said Ron Paul campaign manager Lew Moore. “We’ll continue to battle for every delegate in this wide-open race for the Republican nomination.”

In the presidential preference poll, with 70 percent reporting, Ron Paul is in third place just two percentage points behind John McCain. However, the Maine preference poll is purely a beauty contest, and in the actual election of state delegates the so-called “frontrunner” McCain is far behind Ron Paul.

Never give up, Paulites unite!

 

[Lost Cause]

Just wait, if Paul comes out ahead in delegates the reaction will be a lot of studdering by the Media and a cry will go up to abolish the "antiquated" delegate system~