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Well, if we want to keep to realm of reality (
), then what color blood do lizards have? Talarines are basically large bipedal lizards as I understand it. If only QM hadn't ditched, we could ask her.
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Well, there some freedom of creation here but I like to share. Orc have black blood if I correctly recall. Predators have that fluorescent green liquid for vital fluid. Aliens have a white-greenish blood. Cephalopoda have blue blood. Humans have red.
Since I have the first true combat scene of talarines on the forge and I'm trying to go descriptive I think they are going to get purple blood. Any objections?
Well, there some freedom of creation here but I like to share. Orc have black blood if I correctly recall. Predators have that fluorescent green liquid for vital fluid. Aliens have a white-greenish blood. Cephalopoda have blue blood. Humans have red.
Since I have the first true combat scene of talarines on the forge and I'm trying to go descriptive I think they are going to get purple blood. Any objections?
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Um, how is Nayil going to be battling them? He's currently in the forest, as I recall, and the Talarines are very afraid of going anyplace that has lots of trees, mostly thanks to the elf. Is this battle going to be sometime in the past or what?
As for the blood, no objections.
As for the blood, no objections.
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Ah, so he meets the welcoming committe, but it's not the natives and they aren't at all kind.
You know, depending on the timeline you're making for Nayil, it is possible that the elf would have seen the battle. He would have been unnoticed of course, but he may have seen it.
You know, depending on the timeline you're making for Nayil, it is possible that the elf would have seen the battle. He would have been unnoticed of course, but he may have seen it.
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Well, whatever developments you may come up, Jedi, it's up to you. But it sounds like a good idea.
Yes, Nayil did found the welcoming party and they brought the house down with him, literally. And then he decided to not play nice any more. Actually, I decided to use this episode and lift the tip of the veil over the athalans; Nayil will be showing some of his race traits and habits.
By the way, those "fire cannons" the talarines have... Do you picture them like small hand cannons that use solid projectiles, grapeshot or just bursts of fire?
Trivia note: the Beagle Boys, from Walt Disney universe, arch-enemies of Scrooge McDuck are called - if literally translated - Grapeshot Brothers in Portuguese.
Yes, Nayil did found the welcoming party and they brought the house down with him, literally. And then he decided to not play nice any more. Actually, I decided to use this episode and lift the tip of the veil over the athalans; Nayil will be showing some of his race traits and habits.
By the way, those "fire cannons" the talarines have... Do you picture them like small hand cannons that use solid projectiles, grapeshot or just bursts of fire?
Trivia note: the Beagle Boys, from Walt Disney universe, arch-enemies of Scrooge McDuck are called - if literally translated - Grapeshot Brothers in Portuguese.
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Well, it should be interesting to see the wrath of an Athalan.
As for the fire cannons, I imagined them as literally cannons, like the type you would see on warships that still sailed using the power of the wind, or the type you would find on old stone forts. Basically, a siege weapon, nothing that could be carried in a person's hands. Besides, didn't QM's description earlier indicate that they used the things for attacking castles and cities? Doesn't sound like something a hand cannon could be used for.
Interesting trivia, Qyron. To be honest, I'm not at all familiar with the characters you mentioned.
As for the fire cannons, I imagined them as literally cannons, like the type you would see on warships that still sailed using the power of the wind, or the type you would find on old stone forts. Basically, a siege weapon, nothing that could be carried in a person's hands. Besides, didn't QM's description earlier indicate that they used the things for attacking castles and cities? Doesn't sound like something a hand cannon could be used for.
Interesting trivia, Qyron. To be honest, I'm not at all familiar with the characters you mentioned.
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I pictured the so called "fire cannons" has a portable version of the siege weapons you mention like the Spanish conquistadors used when they arrived to south america and started ploughing the native tribes.
These weapons were extremely versatile and durable, as they could be used as siege weapons - using large solid metal balls - and anti-personnel hand guns - using all sort of debris as ammo.
But, then again, I get dumbfound when I remember that talarines are incredibly stupid. A cannon is an elaborate weapon. How in-uncle-mickey-trousers did they learned to handle the things?
These weapons were extremely versatile and durable, as they could be used as siege weapons - using large solid metal balls - and anti-personnel hand guns - using all sort of debris as ammo.
But, then again, I get dumbfound when I remember that talarines are incredibly stupid. A cannon is an elaborate weapon. How in-uncle-mickey-trousers did they learned to handle the things?
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Yes, I can see where you get the idea of the cannons being small enough to carry in your hands, and their use as siege weapons. But then you have to take into consideration that the villages and cities in South America were not nearly as fortified as those of Europe, or as fortified as the cities of Aine. They didn't have massive stone forts or walls enclosing their settlements in South America, so those small hand cannons could have easily ripped through the huts the natives used. However, those cannons would be next to useless when facing stone walls several feet thick with heavy wooden or metal gates.
As for the Talarines being able to use the things. I imagined it as them having a limited number of the things that were pre-loaded, ready for use. They simply saw how the things were used against them and copied that. Basically, they figured "Oh, when you put a small fire on that little spot, the thing goes boom and does damage at a distance." They don't know how to make more ammo for the weapons, let along reload the things, so after they fire the weapons, they discard them.
As for the Talarines being able to use the things. I imagined it as them having a limited number of the things that were pre-loaded, ready for use. They simply saw how the things were used against them and copied that. Basically, they figured "Oh, when you put a small fire on that little spot, the thing goes boom and does damage at a distance." They don't know how to make more ammo for the weapons, let along reload the things, so after they fire the weapons, they discard them.
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I agree. Can´t imagine those hulks refilling the things. I'd assume they stumbled upon a magazine with the weapons pre-loaded and ready for use and decided to take them along.
This actually gives me a nice idea: will a talarine skull do "bing" or "bong" when hit with an empty fire cannon swung by an angry athalan?
This actually gives me a nice idea: will a talarine skull do "bing" or "bong" when hit with an empty fire cannon swung by an angry athalan?
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HA! That is funny! Anyways, I'd figure that instead of doing a "bing" or "bong," it would go "crack!" as it was either shattered or cracked open. Those cannons are made out of near solid metal you know. If a person were hit the head with a metal pipe, their head wouldn't go "bing" or "bong," it would go "CRACK!" accompanied by the sound of the pipe vibrating from the impact. It won't be much different for a Talarine being struck in the head by a cannon from an Athalan.
However, it seems you are still working on the assumption that the cannons are hand-carried. I thought that we had established that something small enough to be carried by hand would be nearly useless against a fortified city like the ones in Ain.
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So lets assume that the fire cannons are, in fact, large siege weapons and that they rest somewhere near the bulwark of the talarine forces. But now I ask you, Jedi: would you leave a large number of pre-loaded weapons of such calibre in a magazine? It would make no sense.
Loaded, the guns would be very much harder to move out of the magazine, even if wheeled, and on the front line such guns would spend very little time actually loaded as I would be using them to wreak havoc on a talarine war band.
This makes me look at these weapons has being portable again. A lighter version would be pretty useful against such a war band, as an anti-personnel weapon, probably loaded with small rocks, metal shards or whatever junk or garbage it would come around to fill it. With this scenario it would make sense to have large quantities of them pre-loaded: enemy at the wall, go get a few and unloaded them on the bastards outside your front door. That would cool them off!
Loaded, the guns would be very much harder to move out of the magazine, even if wheeled, and on the front line such guns would spend very little time actually loaded as I would be using them to wreak havoc on a talarine war band.
This makes me look at these weapons has being portable again. A lighter version would be pretty useful against such a war band, as an anti-personnel weapon, probably loaded with small rocks, metal shards or whatever junk or garbage it would come around to fill it. With this scenario it would make sense to have large quantities of them pre-loaded: enemy at the wall, go get a few and unloaded them on the bastards outside your front door. That would cool them off!
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Well, there is also to be considered that these weapons were taken from a nation/city that the Talarines had plundered in the past. Given the Talarines knack for deception (the whole drunken army bit), they probably did something much like what they did to Ain: lay siege for a few days, then parlay, act drunk, when the enemy lets their guard down, rush in and take everything before they have a chance to react. Chances are that during the parlay, the defenders reloaded the guns just so they would be ready. Unfortunately, they weren't quick enough once the Talarines dropped the rouse.
The guns were probably on carriages up on the walls of the city, ready for use. And guns that are on carriages usually aren't all that big, usually having a three to four man crew working it: two to position the darn thing, who would then load the powder and ammo, one to ram the ammo down the barrel, and one to fire it. With the Talarines using them, it probably takes only one or two to use the things: one to position it and one to fire it. Plus, a two-pound slug which these cannons could potentionally be using would have enough force behind it to punch through maybe two feet of solid stone, or blow right through a gate.
Also, those cannons could be loaded with a canister round, which would be devastating to any massed infantry attack. However, a canister round isn't much use in a siege; it can't do much against a wall, and it requires that it be pointed right at the charging enemy to be most effective. However, if the cannons are loaded with a burst shell, you could easily lob the shell up over a wall where it would explode, shredding anything within about twenty feet of it.
Now, as much as I would like to continue this conversation, I must take a break to go to class. I'll be back in about two to three hours. If you're still on then, we can continue talking. If not, then it's been a nice chat and have a nice night/day.
The guns were probably on carriages up on the walls of the city, ready for use. And guns that are on carriages usually aren't all that big, usually having a three to four man crew working it: two to position the darn thing, who would then load the powder and ammo, one to ram the ammo down the barrel, and one to fire it. With the Talarines using them, it probably takes only one or two to use the things: one to position it and one to fire it. Plus, a two-pound slug which these cannons could potentionally be using would have enough force behind it to punch through maybe two feet of solid stone, or blow right through a gate.
Also, those cannons could be loaded with a canister round, which would be devastating to any massed infantry attack. However, a canister round isn't much use in a siege; it can't do much against a wall, and it requires that it be pointed right at the charging enemy to be most effective. However, if the cannons are loaded with a burst shell, you could easily lob the shell up over a wall where it would explode, shredding anything within about twenty feet of it.
Now, as much as I would like to continue this conversation, I must take a break to go to class. I'll be back in about two to three hours. If you're still on then, we can continue talking. If not, then it's been a nice chat and have a nice night/day.
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Now let's stop for a moment: thousands or maybe tens of thousands? Why would a garrisoned city such great number of high-calibre weapons? Even if it was a seaport it would need only a few dozens, perhaps 100 ou 200 pieces in a strong enclave.
But thousands?
Don't get me wrong, Jedi. I'm as fond as the next bloke to a little imagination loop on RP's but I simply can't swallow this nonsense. Especially the more I read the small text QM left us.
But thousands?
Don't get me wrong, Jedi. I'm as fond as the next bloke to a little imagination loop on RP's but I simply can't swallow this nonsense. Especially the more I read the small text QM left us.
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They probably took the weapons from multiple cities that were heavily fortified. Besides, if they have a "great number" of these things and are not likely to run out anytime soon, then they must have at least a thousand of the things. They would probably use at least a hundred of them in a single siege before the enemy relented, and then they just discard the cannons, seeing as how they can't reload them.
As for the culverin, the sizes they describe in that article are much too big to be carried by hand. I mean, not even a Talarine could lift more than 2 tons of metal. However, to be effective against a stone fortification, you need at least a 5 pound slug, so those culverins that fire a 10 pound slug and larger would be ideal for a siege.
I don't see how a weapon that could be carried by hand could be capable of firing a slug larger than 1-2 pounds. Heavier than that and the weapon would be too heavy due to the amount of metal in the barrel.
As for the culverin, the sizes they describe in that article are much too big to be carried by hand. I mean, not even a Talarine could lift more than 2 tons of metal. However, to be effective against a stone fortification, you need at least a 5 pound slug, so those culverins that fire a 10 pound slug and larger would be ideal for a siege.
I don't see how a weapon that could be carried by hand could be capable of firing a slug larger than 1-2 pounds. Heavier than that and the weapon would be too heavy due to the amount of metal in the barrel.
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How are these contraptions worked? How many talarines they tap to handle? Do they end up useless after use for anything else or are they just laid on the side of the road?
I wonder because upon start working on the scene I'm on now, I because of these questions. A simple example was that "bing" or "bong" scene. And after this detail I ended up questioning myself about these matters.
I wonder because upon start working on the scene I'm on now, I because of these questions. A simple example was that "bing" or "bong" scene. And after this detail I ended up questioning myself about these matters.
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Point the open end of the weapon towards the target, then somehow light the fuse. That's how it works, on the base level.
As for how many Talarines it takes to use one, I believe that these things are on wheels of some sort, then one to two Talarines are needed: one to position the gun, the second to fire it, or one to do both jobs.
And now for its usefulness after use. The Talarines find them to be useless after they have been fired because they don't know how to nor are capable of reloading the weapons, so they just discard them. If someone else were to come by afterwards, it would depend on the person's ability to use/reload and knowledge of the gun on whether or not the weapon would be of use.
As for how many Talarines it takes to use one, I believe that these things are on wheels of some sort, then one to two Talarines are needed: one to position the gun, the second to fire it, or one to do both jobs.
And now for its usefulness after use. The Talarines find them to be useless after they have been fired because they don't know how to nor are capable of reloading the weapons, so they just discard them. If someone else were to come by afterwards, it would depend on the person's ability to use/reload and knowledge of the gun on whether or not the weapon would be of use.
