The story and history of poetry on Lit and PF&D

[pelegrino]

Fair enough. I just cannot tell them apart from their tone when they are speaking of or to me. It's kinda like all the grownups in an episode of a Charlie Brown animation. Probably just my ear, then. No offense intended. I thought they were the same really old, extremely hostile guy.

You don't have to be really old to be extremely hostile. Any young arsehole can be that also.

A timeline of member registrations, total submissions per year each member has contributed and links to their submission pages would be interesting. Including who became a Mod and when. And an obituary of those who have passed on. Perhaps even special occasions like when Harry and Butters tie the knot.

Above and beyond that, not so much.

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Amendment by Magnetron

"A timeline of member registrations, total submissions per year each member has contributed and links to their submission pages would be interesting. Including who became a Mod and when. And an obituary of those who have passed on. Perhaps even special occasions like when Harry and Butters tie the knot.

Above and beyond that, not so much".

Nice (and wise) proposition, Mag, I'll go along with that. Nice and simple, defining historical line first, and if any historian (or busybody) has more time to spare later he can add more.
So far this thread's proposition was stinking of eclecticism, your amendment makes it democratic.
Why not put it to a members vote?
I move.

 

[playcatch]

It's true that young people can be hostile, but they tend to do it with more attention to fashion and bravado. Old people are economical about their hostility.

 

[bronzeage]

It's true that young people can be hostile, but they tend to do it with more attention to fashion and bravado. Old people are economical about their hostility.

Hostile poets are the worst, I swear.

 

[pelegrino]

It's true that young people can be hostile, but they tend to do it with more attention to fashion and bravado. Old people are economical about their hostility.

That's because they're old and they cannot afford opening many fronts. Can you imagine them attacking many individuals or big groups all at once? Hell, I mean they would get a lot more whacking.

 

[Senna Jawa]

I'll be happy to help in anyway, <...>

bronzeage, your positive attitude is wonderful (which can be seen also from your posts over years).

<...> what this project actually is. <?>
Could it be reduced to a thesis statement?

REMARK: The PF&D (hi)story project In the Internet era can be an open project. This would mean to agree to some rules which would prevent any destruction of any part of the material. Thus there should be a feature like wikipedia history for any article and material in general. Thus the project can be presented even when it is far from finished (when the project is already advanced). The project should be focused more on poetry, and less on participants--there should be a right proportion to have the human accent too.

The most important thing would be ONE: to collect the best poems from archive. LeBroz archive should be very helpful. Actually, one should produce three to five sub-collections according to certain criteria, each sub-collection would have anywhere from 30 to 60 poems. For example, at a very early stage of rec.arts.poems (r.a.p.) three such collections were proposed: (1) rhyming/metrical, (2) free verse, (3) irregular poems (off the wall ). Only the first one was implemented, by three rappers (i.e. participants of r.a.p.). See:

The great r.a.p metrical/rhyming collection​

Then it would be great TWO: to add a critical essey (one or preferably more) about the collected poems and about the whole archive. One could also take a note of the discussions about poetry at PF&D (but see FOUR).

THREE: record the poetic cooperation on PF&D; e.g. 30 in 30, the calls for the same poem's title at a given date, etc.

FOUR: Write about PF&D exchanges where poetry was truly discussed, be it poems by the participants or by any authors (there are not too many of such threads but there were some). One may include discussions from the archive comments. One may combine this with a critical discussion of poems which won Literotica competitions.

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Please, propose additions (or even subtractions ).
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I'll write more in another post about the more obvious things which I have already indicated from the beginning; they are related to data collection.

In my 2nd post in this thread (see the BWE table of participants) I already had a small cross + next to Rybka's entry (and consistently in the post answering Angeline) to indicate that, sadly, he died some time ago. I also had a small note about RisiaSkye's participation. In the larger AWE table I had notes about participants which were active a long time ago but not too much (say, 300 PF&D posts would be the treshhold). I plan to post this AWE table a piece after a piece, to make it easier on me, but first of all to give us a chance to say something about the included participants. Anyway, the data collecting and capable presentation has tremendous potential for informing people efficiently and thoroughly.

 

[Magnetron]

So much for simplicity.

Have luck with this.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Laurel of Literotica--the very beginning

I believe that Laurel (Kitty Mama) is the owner of Literotica, that she has created and started the whole thing, and still rules around. Laurel had some posts on PF&D but not strictly devoted to poetry--rather administrative posts (is all of this true?). On the other hand I think that she is in charge of awarding E to the archived poems (and to the stories?? Is there such a thing for the stories?).

Laurel's join date is 1999-08-27. (For the numerologists among you--numbers 08 and 27 are cubes of 2 and 3; I don't know what to do with 1999, except that Prince made this date famous). I guess this is the first Literotica join date, that's it, the beginning.

 

[playcatch]

On This

we agree.

bronzeage, your positive attitude is wonderful (which can be seen also from your posts over years).

 

[pelegrino]

I believe that Laurel (Kitty Mama) is the owner of Literotica, that she has created and started the whole thing, and still riules around. Laurel had some posts on PF&D but not strictly devoted to poetry--rather administrative posts (is all of this true?). On the other hand I think that she is in charge of awarding E to the archived poems (and to the stories?? Is there such a thing for the stories?).

Laurel's join date is 1999-08-27. (For the numerologists among you--numbers 08 and 27 are cubes of 2 and 3; I don't know what to do with 1999, except that Prince made this date famous). I guess this is the first Literotica join date, that's it, the beginning.

I understand no.27 (9*3 or 3*9), but what is the number whose cube is 08? I mean 3*X = 8 (where X should be 2.?????????).It is certainly the cubic root of 8 but I'm not good at that. Can you help with this please, so as to ascertain exactly the day of Literotica's Big Bang.
(History should include the subject of calculating dates to the nearest possible point, should it not? As for 1999, I agree, it is a matter that needs further investigation as to how it came about).

 

[pelegrino]

I've had three other names since I came here. Almost all my posts are under this name. However when I was in a years long divorce battle I wrote erotica under other names. He would have tried to use it against me at the time if he could. I'm sure I'm not alone in that kind of situation. I'm not in it now, thank heavens.

Dora, Senna and 12 really are two different people. They just are. They're both reallllllly opinionated but they are not the same person!

Senna, I don't talk to the majority of people from Lit who no longer post here. I would not even know how to get in touch with them. And there are others who simply do not want to be here anymore. Some have removed poems, others not.

This thread seems like the vanity/cache threads many of us have. And some have a bunch! The only difference is that this one would have many poets in it that people here like to read. And if you don't like the OP, don't participate or use ignore if you want.

Your friendly spamitor,
Ange

Ok, yours seems a very valid reason, Ange, for having aliases, but are everyone's reasons as valid an honest as yours? I don't think my question as to why I should trust anyone has been answered yet.

 

[Senna Jawa]

First source!

Where was my head?! Most of the PF&D information, e.g. about the PF&D participants and the threads, are right there:

P.F.&D.
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To get to the early days it is enough to go to the chronologically first page (called last due to the anti-chronological order). Wow!--that was easy!

Thus I'll have something written in a separate thread about the BWE time, and now I will include the first BWE participants list. This thread may serve as a general chaotic thread, something like a blog about PF&D (hi)story.

Thus here I can already jump a bit to the early medieval AWE time, which would be from Eve to The Poets, inclusively. The Poets have two purposes. Mainly, this is a collective voice of PF&D moderators. It was also a collective poet who could include on special occasions a number of PF&D contributors. Nice!

The original PF&D moderators and The Poets were--in the alphabetic order: Angeline, Lauren Hynde, and WickedEve. They did tremendous job over years.

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A personal note:

I was not happy when moderation on this board was introduced. But I never-ever complained about PF&D moderation. Why? Because there was never any reason to do so. On occasions I had very sharp exchanges with Angeline. Lauren was always something of a contrarian, and we had our share of clashes with Lauren, frequent. But, amazingly, there was never any reason to complain about our Three Graces as moderators (true, Rubens or Raphael would present them in nude--but that would be too much to ask for).

On other portals and discussion groups my relations with moderators were often terrible. Never at PF&D. One of their main advantages was that they always carried only one hat on their head-- either the regular user's hat, or the moderator's hat. They had on their head only one hat at the time, never both!

And they had other advantages too: intelligence, wisdom, culture, diplomatic ways, sense of proportion, impartialness, no self-interest and selflessness, etc. Thus on other groups and portals (chess, cultural, poetic, mathematical...) I was often on a war with moderators, here at PF&D it was in this respect really nice. Even when I had hard to meet software and organizational requests, I was mostly denied them, but very sensibly. I had no regrets.

Many users don't even recognized that when a user gets into an argument with a moderator, the moderator doesn't even bother to win the discussion by presenting all counter-arguments, facts, etc. (about which moderators know so much!). A good moderator wants rather peace then showing the user how stupid s/he is.

 

[twelveoone]

Fair enough. I just cannot tell them apart from their tone when they are speaking of or to me. It's kinda like all the grownups in an episode of a Charlie Brown animation. Probably just my ear, then. No offense intended. I thought they were the same really old, extremely hostile guy.

hey aren't you the dildo (e pluribus anum) that said I was full of shit?
do you think that may have something to do with hostility?
this is the funniest shit I've ever seen here...
a little further history. let me describe my relationship with SJ, I've handed him his ass on more than one occasion, he responds by mod suckery... which I think you were, pc, did you miss out on this suckery? too bad.

The original PF&D moderators and The Poets were--in the alphabetic order: Angeline, Lauren Hynde, and WickedEve. They did tremendous job over years.

Followed by Pandora something, butters, Bronzeage and Angeline. Angeline being like that president (Garfield. I think) So why WickedEve above all else?
Ass Av's - a ton of them (god the horror if bronze follows suit)
Oh yeh - a ton of work (see the name ranking in comments, tireless in making sure NP was attended too.
Oh probably what Eve did with poetry is extremely difficult to duplicate.
And last but not least (for me) she liked me, one of two, one quarter of the total number of mods liked me. Me. Who doth not perform ass suckery, much.

So me and Senna both like WickedEve. And not particularity you. I can understand your confusion, eh.

I can use the same reasoning to confuse you and Senna.

Both seem a little perplexed as to attention my work has got. Popular? Pandering?
Fuck no, here is a clue - 30% of comments (a number I pulled out of my ass) may be reciprocal. i.e. I leave 'em. I also approach (or try to) work on its own terms. And possibly what I write is different, not seen much of. Note: I did NOT say better than, etc.

SOB I'm good at what I do. How insightful of me. BTW what Senna said is not quite the way it is or was (more ass suckery. revisionist ) Make of it what you will.

 

[twelveoone]

The most important thing would be ONE: to collect the best poems from archive. LeBroz archive should be very helpful. Actually, one should produce three to five sub-collections according to certain criteria, each sub-collection would have anywhere from 30 to 60 poems. For example, at a very early stage of rec.arts.poems (r.a.p.) three such collections were proposed: (1) rhyming/metrical, (2) free verse, (3) irregular poems (off the wall ). Only the first one was implemented, by three rappers (i.e. participants of r.a.p.). See:
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serious eye rolling here. really? what purpose, who de judge? the great bulk of LB's comments have no substance, read 'em.
The limited amount of SJ's comments are as to why someone or someone's work is Not ( poetry, civilized, etc.) Most often dismissive and not helpful. Read 'em.

The work of taxidermists, stuffers of dead animals.

 

[Magnetron]

Let him have his High School Reunion.

If Senna wants to erect a monument to the past, then let it be a monumental erection no one would ever forget.

 

[twelveoone]

Let him have his High School Reunion.

If Senna wants to erect a monument to the past, then let it be a monumental erection no one would ever forget.

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