The upcoming Republican renaissance

[Liar]

I'm already planning on how to spend my tax cuts.

So there will still be an America left to cut taxes in for the next president? I thought we'd all be converted to the New World Order by then.

 

[mypoliticalalt]

These kinds of threads are like a little boy threatening to tell someones mom what her kid did dude.

Go out and help make your conservative movement strong again, and win because you're the best. Trying to win on the hopes that the other team will fail is a pretty lousy game plan.

Especially when the failure of the other team will also hurt you.

Forest through the trees ring any bells?

Nah. I just like to see libs sweat. Especially the chicks. Those sweaty half circles under the breasts are my favorites.

 

[Killswitch]

The only ones sweating is your party. The sooner you can reconcile that, the sooner you ....well not you, but your annointed leadership can get your gang back on the same page and on track.

 

[mypoliticalalt]

So there will still be an America left to cut taxes in for the next president? I thought we'd all be converted to the New World Order by then.

I am not worried about the soul of America. The strength of the country lies in it's people, not it's leadership. It survives the coming of going of those who like to believe they are in power. When those who govern begin to believe they are above the will of the people, they disappear like clouds on a windy day.

 

[Left_Nut]

I am not worried about the soul of America. The strength of the country lies in it's people, not it's leadership. It survives the coming of going of those who like to believe they are in power. When those who govern begin to believe they are above the will of the people, they disappear like clouds on a windy day.

Sounds like a power speech

 

[mypoliticalalt]

Sounds like a power speech

You can have it. I'll make more. But change the "coming of" to "coming and". Poor editing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Republican renaissance?

LMFAO! Never gonna happen. The party of NO will refuse to change or will move farther to the right and lose even more. Look at what happened in New York when they removed a moderate and moved farther to the right.

And in Virginia and New Jersey, where they ran moderates and won.

Lesson learned now?

 

[rosco rathbone]

I think that if Obama wins in 2012, we are looking at serious risk for OK City ll.

 

[pointless]

I think that if Obama wins in 2012, we are looking at serious risk for OK City ll.

if you're right it would be the worst possible thing for the right wing in this country.

 

[rosco rathbone]

if you're right it would be the worst possible thing for the right wing in this country.

I dunno about that. The first one didn't seem to slow them down.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Independents are rushing to the right . . .

Cite?

You know, "independents" are not all moderates/centrists. Some are the right of the GOP, some are to the left of the Dems.

And this 2009 study shows a very different picture than the one you see:

For years, traditional public opinion polling has broken down ideology into three distinct groupings: liberal, moderate, and conservative. Based on this categorization, there has been remarkable stability in ideological orientation, with roughly one-fifth of Americans identifying themselves as “liberal” and about four in 10 classifying themselves as “moderate” or ”conservative,” respectively, according to Gallup polling from 1992 to 2008.

In this study, however, the electorate is broken down using a more expansive five-point scale of political ideology that reflects the variety of approaches people ascribe to today. Employing this more calibrated measure, 34 percent of the country identifies as “conservative,” 29 percent as “moderate,” 15 percent as “liberal,” 16 percent as “progressive,” and 2 percent as “libertarian.” After moderates are asked which approach they lean toward, the overall ideological breakdown of the country divides into fairly neat left and right groupings, with 47 percent of Americans identifying as progressive or liberal and 48 percent as conservative or libertarian. The rest are unsure or scattered among moderate and other approaches.

Combining this five-point scale of political ideology with responses to the 40 specific ideological statements, the progressive leanings of the country become readily apparent. On the domestic front, after years of supply-side tax cuts, support for corporations (especially extractive oil and mining companies), and deregulation of the economy, large percentages of Americans increasingly favor progressive ideas centered on: sustainable lifestyles and green energy; public investment in education, infrastructure, and science; financial support for the poor, elderly, and sick; regulation of business to protect workers and consumers; and guaranteed affordable health coverage for every American. On the international front, the legacy of the Bush years has yielded to an American public far more interested in restoring the country’s image abroad, fighting climate change, and pursuing security through diplomacy, alliances, and international institutions than in the continued pursuit of national objectives through the sole projection of military might.

Approximately two-thirds of Americans—reaching to 70 percent to 80 percent on some measures—agree with progressive ideas in each of these domestic and global areas (see Table 1). Important cleavages emerge in the data, however, between non-college-educated Americans and college-educated elites. Non-college Americans are more populist and progressive than elites on some measures of government and economics and much more conservative on cultural and national security measures.

The rise of progressivism in America is reflected more starkly in direct ratings of various ideological approaches. Today, more than two-thirds of Americans rate a “progressive” approach to politics favorably, a 25-point increase in favorability over the last five years, with gains coming primarily from those who were previously unaware of the term. “Progressive” now equals ”conservative” in terms of overall public favorability (67 percent, respectively).

The continuing strength of the conservative brand—if not all of its constitutive ideas—reflects the long-term success of the conservative movement over decades. Despite electoral setbacks and larger proportions of Americans now adhering to progressive ideas about governance and society, the conservative worldview remains appealing to many Americans and creates important cleavages in the electorate, particularly on key cultural and national security beliefs. Conservative principles about markets, spending, national defense, and traditional values enjoy residual strength and could rise in prominence depending on shifts in the economic and political environment. Conservatives may be down but they are not out of the ideology game.

 

[Slowlane]

Independents are rushing to the right, disenfranchised by unkept promises and the rejection of socialism. Conservative registered voters are up by 6 percentage points.

Too much, too quick. Blinded by greed the dems are.

Watch and learn.

Renascence? Renascence from what. The republicans were never in any real trouble. It's just politics as usual. Things change, a bit like a see-saw.

 

[pointless]

I dunno about that. The first one didn't seem to slow them down.

it definitely affected the fringes a good deal. remember the militias? they took quite a hit thanks to the bombing.

 

[Ishmael]

NY23 was a Republican fuckup, by the assholes who picked Dede Scozzafava.

NJ & VA are more representative of the slow demise of the Democratic socialists.

Nov. of 2010 will be the beginning of the Dem freefall.

It was a fuck up in more ways that one. As it turns out one of the precincts fucked up on their reporting and when all the votes were in, Hoffman was ahead by over a thousand votes. Unfortunately Hoffman had already conceded so Owen was sent to DC per force.

The last report I read was that the elections commision is going to count the absentee ballots, almost 10 thousand of them, to determine if Owen can pull ahead. If not, Owen is going to be unseated and another election held.

One of the reasons that the dems have been mighty quiet about NY 23 as of late.

Ishmael

 

[mypoliticalalt]

Cite?

You know, "independents" are not all moderates/centrists. Some are the right of the GOP, some are to the left of the Dems.

And this 2009 study shows a very different picture than the one you see:

I'm getting pretty tired of having this same old argument with you. I know what a goddamn independent voter is.

 

[KingOrfeo]

it definitely affected the fringes a good deal. remember the militias? they took quite a hit thanks to the bombing.

But they've been making a comeback since Obama was elected.

 

[mypoliticalalt]

Renascence? Renascence from what. The republicans were never in any real trouble. It's just politics as usual. Things change, a bit like a see-saw.

Just roll with it. *wink*

 

[pointless]

But they've been making a comeback since Obama was elected.

that's great, but if they start dabbling in terrorism again i doubt that would last. most of those guys are poseurs.

 

[rosco rathbone]

But they've been making a comeback since Obama was elected.

I'm reading the Zeskind book Blood and Politics now, I think he makes a case for the WN=bagger connection in the end.

 

[mypoliticalalt]

But they've been making a comeback since Obama was elected.

The popularity of militia's is directly proportional to the perceived oppression of government, regardless of 'ruling' party. The rise in Homeland Security during Bush did as much or more than anything OB has done so far.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The popularity of militia's is directly proportional to the perceived oppression of government, regardless of 'ruling' party. The rise in Homeland Security during Bush did as much or more than anything OB has done so far.

Then where were they during the Bush years? Of course they never went away entirely, but the present resurgence is entirely post-November-2008.

 

[mypoliticalalt]

Then where were they during the Bush years? Of course they never went away entirely, but the present resurgence is entirely post-November-2008.

They just disappeared. Where do you think they were? They are duck hunters, coon hunters, unemployed factory workers, clansmen, internet addicts, survivalists...

Do you really think it's all because there is a black man in the White House?

duh

 

[badbabysitter]

No, I do think the Republicans are about to have their Renaissance


its about time they catch up with 14th century Italy..at this pace, they'll be in the mid 20th century a couple hundred years from now

 

[Slowlane]

Then where were they during the Bush years? Of course they never went away entirely, but the present resurgence is entirely post-November-2008.

The resurgence started in the Bush years, fear of terrorism mostly but Homeland Security boosted it even more because many saw the terrorism act as a loss of freedoms. Then along came Obama with his wild ass ideas and threw gasoline on the fire - lots of gasoline. Those who were already paranoid got worse and many more joined the movement. Personally, I'm not worried enough to go out and buy guns and ammo - what I have will do just fine. I get a little pissed when I can't find enough ammo for target shooting and I,m sure I looked shocked when a friend ordered five thousand rounds of 9mm.

 

[Killswitch]

The resurgence started in the Bush years, fear of terrorism mostly but Homeland Security boosted it even more because many saw the terrorism act as a loss of freedoms. Then along came Obama with his wild ass ideas and threw gasoline on the fire - lots of gasoline. Those who were already paranoid got worse and many more joined the movement. Personally, I'm not worried enough to go out and buy guns and ammo - what I have will do just fine. I get a little pissed when I can't find enough ammo for target shooting and I,m sure I looked shocked when a friend ordered five thousand rounds of 9mm.

Dayum. Your Lit penis just got three inches bigger with that post.

Nicely played!