The upcoming Republican renaissance

"If there be an object truly ridiculous in nature it is an American patriot, signing resolutions of independency with the one hand, and with the other brandishing a whip over his affrighted slaves."

Why don't people talk that way any more?
 
More votes in Congress, right? Nothing to do with considering them as human beings, let alone citizens.
So, your "point" about them being considered as 3/5ths was what, then?

The South was right?
 
So, your "point" about them being considered as 3/5ths was what, then?

The South was right?

Not in the least. I'm merely pointing out Miles' assertion that basing a 21st century constitution on what the founding fathers considered acceptable is so much horseshit.
 
I doubt they had atomic bombs and a war in afganistan in mind either. And they were not as limited government minded as you would like to believe. Especially Thomas Jefferson who more than doubled the size of the country with the Louisiana purchase which at that time was unprecedented.

Yeah, the Founding Fathers were hardly one homogenous lump of men who agreed on everything. Most could barely agree to form a nation at all, hence why the original constitution was so weak in a lot of the wording. Many of the delegates wanted a much stronger central government, but were willing to compromise with those who were skeptical of any national government at all.

The wisdom of course was how rules were put into place allowing the constitution to be a living, breathing document that could change to suit the current needs of the people.
 
For decades the left has been dreaming about the day when the people would wake up and see that the elites were keeping them down. It's kind of ironic that this is happening now-on the right.
 
For decades the left has been dreaming about the day when the people would wake up and see that the elites were keeping them down. It's kind of ironic that this is happening now-on the right.

That's what I've never got about American politics. How on Earth can the dirt poor fall for this "elitist" bullshit when it comes from Republicans. Our Conservative Party might be a bunch of cunts, but they know that one would never fly.
 
That's what I've never got about American politics. How on Earth can the dirt poor fall for this "elitist" bullshit when it comes from Republicans. Our Conservative Party might be a bunch of cunts, but they know that one would never fly.

Don't you have anyone in the UK who can fairly be characterized as "limousine liberals" or "champagne socialists"?
 
Fox is reporting that the latest polls are showing folks are claiming to be about 20% Dem, 40% Rep, and 40% Independent.

I hear all the insults and degrading remarks being made about Conservatives by the Libs and their press but I notice nobody seems to be willing to take on the Conservatives on the issues.

For years, Rush Limbaugh has said that in the arena of ideas, Libs can not compete. At first I dismissed this as,, well,, Rush being Rush. I have come to realize however that after many years of watching and listening the various debates between the two sides,,, he was right.

I must confess that the Rep's haven't always been wise in the selecting of their candidates, the Dems seem to do a much better job on that. But what has come to really amaze me recently are the Conservative People themselves.

The Tea parties, Town Hall Meetings, etc. This is grassroots stuff and in spite of the left's attempts to marginalize these efforts,,, they're still there. And it's spreading like wildfire it seems. Hell,,, even in New York 23, a guy nobody had ever heard of, running on a clearly Conservative Platform, in 30 days ran the RINO candidate out of the race and almost took the seat all together. 30 days! And look at him. In ten seconds, anyone can tell this guy ain't no politician. He doesn't speak well, is uncomfortable before a crowd,, but his message was one of basic American Principles. Old fashioned stuff like, small government, stop the spending, lower taxes, individual responsibility, property rights, and common sense answers to things like illegal immigration, the national debt, etc.

These things make sense to those of us out here in the real world. We are tired of the lies and distortions from BOTH parties. We want the truth. Good or bad is not nearly as important to us as long as it is the truth. We are servants to this government no longer. Either those in DC wake up and reverse the course they've put our sacred nation on, or we will fire them.

Glenn Beck put out some Principles and Values a while back. Regardless of what you think of him, take a look at them. They are the stuff I was taught when I was a kid. Old, out of date, certainly not sexy,, but they still ring true and hold real meaning to us.

I suspect the election of 2010 is going to catch a lot of people by surprise. I say this not just because of people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, and Jim DeMint. But also of the new guys stepping forward. Some whom many of you have never heard of. Marco Rubio in Florida and even this guy Hoffman from NY-23. You know he'll be back,,, this time with the backing of the Republican Party.

I suspect many in here will openly mock my words, infer how uninformed I am or ridicule my beliefs and principles. But before you do,, let me ask you,,, Those 9 Principles and 12 Values from Beck I mentioned, do you fault them as well? Some may question a few,, but all of them?

I am a Conservative. I belive that our Government is too large to do anything well. It is corrupt and no longer represents the American People or their best interests.

I will vote for any candidate, regardless of party affiliation, that will work towards restoring the government to it's rightful place, that being the servant of the people, not their master.
 
Don't you have anyone in the UK who can fairly be characterized as "limousine liberals" or "champagne socialists"?

Yep, lots. But the Tory party would never dare to pull that one. They'd get destroyed. One fucking Tory was in the shit earlier this year for charging the taxpayers for getting his moat cleaned, ffs.
 
The constitution is a 'living' document in the mind of the insane.

Ishmael

The term "living document" has been misinterpreted in recent years. It is supposed to be living in the sense that it's changeable - not open to interpretation. Far too much time is spent trying to figure out what the founding fathers were trying to say. That almost always turnout to be a bad move. The Constitution is a document written in plain language and is quite easy to understand.

If anybody wants it changed they should try to get a new amendment ratified, there is only one right way and that's it.
 
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