"They Hate America"

[icanhelp1]

Nice try, but patriotism and nationalism are two VERY different things.

Xenophobia is the same as nationalism? Then protecting our borders by your definition is Xenophobic.

 

[YDB95]

Xenophobia is the same as nationalism?

No, but they do tend to go hand in hand and are usually symptoms of one another. Neither of them has anything to do with patriotism.

Also, protecting one's borders does not require nationalism in any way.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "You can talk to me about that when you've stopped cheerleading for Ruth Bader Ginsburg to die. Not one minute before then."

No, we shouldn't be cheerleading for Justice Ginsburg to die - nor should we be wanting her to continue serving on our nation's highest court if she's no longer physically capable of doing so! If Ruth wants to retire and enjoy her remaining years living comfortably somewhere other than in Washington, D.C. then that's what she should do!

I'm quite certain that President Trump can quickly nominate a more-than-capable judge to replace her, with the U.S. Senate promptly doing its job in confirming the president's selection! Yes, the Democratic Party may quite possibly want to once again challenge the president's choice with 35-year old memories from a middle-aged woman with a little girl's voice, but nobody's going to pay any attention to that nonsense this time around!

"Also, protecting one's borders does not require nationalism in any way."

I agree - a very simple way to protect your nation's borders is to ENFORCE exisiting immigration laws, support I.C.E., and finish building the border wall!

 

[OrLaTime]

Wall?

Seriously!!

You want to spend billions on this wall which is climbable and can be cut ??
So then we still need guards or drones? Brilliant!!

What a fucking waste of money !
(Unless you are getting paid to build it or a payback for the contract?)

 

[KeithD]

(Unless you are getting paid to build it or a payback for the contract?)

Well, the contracts DO go back to Russian-owned companies. So, that should be OK.

 

[icanhelp1]

Fools? Impeachment doesn't recognise that as a suitable reason.

Jack and KeithD suffer from TDS on steroids.

I believe Trump would love to draw UK closer into our sphere with large trade deals, I think a compromise on big AGRI could be done with some changes in livestock.

 

[icanhelp1]

No, but they do tend to go hand in hand and are usually symptoms of one another. Neither of them has anything to do with patriotism.

Also, protecting one's borders does not require nationalism in any way.

Well patriotism and nationalism tend to go hand and hand.

No one said nationalism is required for protecting our borders but is the motivating factor for it. Taking an interest in your own nation is nationalism, protecting your own culture is nationalism which is the opposite of globalism which is the new mantra for the left. You're conflating ultranationalism with nationalism. Accepting people who wish to assimilate into our culture and become part of our society is not xenophobic. Nationalism in my opinion has become more prevalent in our society because of people with your belief of what america should be, open borders, illegals have more rights than our own citizens, spending tons of money on people that don't belong here, just having a overall poor immigration policy. Accepting millions of undocumented people of the same persuasion with different views from ours could change what we are as a nation. We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles and I'm quite happy with that. We accept all religions so shut down your notion that we are against other religions, we're not!

 

[icanhelp1]

Wall?

Seriously!!

You want to spend billions on this wall which is climbable and can be cut ??
So then we still need guards or drones? Brilliant!!

What a fucking waste of money !
(Unless you are getting paid to build it or a payback for the contract?)

Well, you being a left coast lune, most of america don't see things quite like you. You have a lock on your door but you still can be broken into, so do you eliminate locks on your doors.

Can you say "comprehensive border security"

What was a big waste of money was that financial support we gave to your school, because it obviously didn't work for you.

 

[YDB95]

Well patriotism and nationalism tend to go hand and hand.

No, they're quite different.

No one said nationalism is required for protecting our borders but is the motivating factor for it.

Not unless you have an irrational problem with the outside world.

Taking an interest in your own nation is nationalism, protecting your own culture is nationalism which is the opposite of globalism which is the new mantra for the left. You're conflating ultranationalism with nationalism.

Nationalism is NOT "taking an interest in your own nation". You really need to learn the meaning of that word if you're going to throw it around like this.

Accepting people who wish to assimilate into our culture and become part of our society is not xenophobic.

It's also got nothing in common whatsoever with what Trump has been pushing.

Nationalism in my opinion has become more prevalent in our society because of people with your belief of what america should be, open borders, illegals have more rights than our own citizens, spending tons of money on people that don't belong here, just having a overall poor immigration policy.

People with my belief of what America should be don't believe any of that.

Accepting millions of undocumented people of the same persuasion with different views from ours could change what we are as a nation.

Then it's a good thing no one is calling for that.

We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles and I'm quite happy with that. We accept all religions so shut down your notion that we are against other religions, we're not!

Then how do you explain Trump calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration?

 

[icanhelp1]

No, they're quite different.



Not unless you have an irrational problem with the outside world.



Nationalism is NOT "taking an interest in your own nation". You really need to learn the meaning of that word if you're going to throw it around like this.

Definition of nationalism
1: loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Nothing about imposing our culture on another country,

It's also got nothing in common whatsoever with what Trump has been pushing.

TDS on steroids

People with my belief of what America should be don't believe any of that.

If you're in Warrens camp, then yes you do

Then it's a good thing no one is calling for that.

Again, if you're in Warrens camp that's exactly what you're calling for.[/COLOR]

Then how do you explain Trump calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration?

Classic deflection, he was calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration from countries with terrorism background, wanted a more accurate vetting program and an improved immigration policy[ /COLOR]

 

[Dumpington]

OrLaTime writes: "You want to spend billions on this wall which is climbable and can be cut??"

Prison walls can be climbed, tunnelled under, and/or circumvented in other ways. Should we STOP building walls around our nation's prisons?

KeithD writes: "Well, the contracts DO go back to Russian-owned companies. So, that should be OK."

OR... we could give those jobs to AMERICAN companies, Keith! Or do you have a problem with employing American workers?

icanhelp1 writes: "Jack and KeithD suffer from TDS on steroids."

They're just consumed with hatred, is all.

YDB95 writes: "Then how do you explain Trump calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration?"

I believe that most Americans (including even Democrats) would agree with me that Islamic Sharia Law is completely incompatible with our nation's U.S. Constitutional protections.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then how do you explain Trump calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration?

Fake news....he never did any such thing.

 

[icanhelp1]

No, they're quite different.

Never said they were the same, why do you always change the narrative?

Not unless you have an irrational problem with the outside world.

I don't have any such thing, what I want is legal immigration based on what our country needs and not based on what the world needs. Coming across our border illegal is costing us billions. I want that money spent on my kids. Can you say 22 trillion in debt

Nationalism is NOT "taking an interest in your own nation". You really need to learn the meaning of that word if you're going to throw it around like this.



It's also got nothing in common whatsoever with what Trump has been pushing.


People with my belief of what America should be don't believe any of that.


Then it's a good thing no one is calling for that.



Then how do you explain Trump calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration?

You can't win anyone over by always touting TDS

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes, there is hate--lots of hate from those suffering from the random and egoistic actions of a country that quickly needs to become great (again)--but I think most of the american allies only pity you, for the stupidity that comes together with the uSA-arrogance.

I am surprised, and a bit disturbed by the hate shown from so many US members here on Lit, the us against them attitude, we are 100% right, and you are 100% wrong, irrelevant of the facts shown by many ( in my opinion those who identify as Republican supporters posting here) on here.

As an outsider, watching, it does make me wonder who or what it will take to pull the US back together. I am getting to a point where I do not think the factions can ever come back together.

I have many relatives and friends south of the border, of both political stripes. Both of my nieces and their family's are actually investigating moving, and I have several friends who I have given the information needed to start the process. That to me does not say a lot for the political health of the US.

I don't agree that the allies pity the US. Most are just working around the US "problem".

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't agree that the allies pity the US. Most are just working around the US "problem".

Hard to consider yourself an ally when you consider the nation and it's very existence a "problem".

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Hard to consider yourself an ally when you consider the nation and it's very existence a "problem".

I fail to see where I said the existence of the US is a problem? The US problem I referred to was the "what if" the US refuses to live up to it's world wide commitments?

After all the only Article 5 NATO has ever reacted to was to support the USA. Now your President has hinted, the US may not return the favour if another NATO nations needs it. A nice polite fuck you it seems towards the rest of us.

If the roles were reversed, I can bet you would be pounding the drum, hard n furiously.

 

[oggbashan]

I fail to see where I said the existence of the US is a problem? The US problem I referred to was the "what if" the US refuses to live up to it's world wide commitments?

After all the only Article 5 NATO has ever reacted to was to support the USA. Now your President has hinted, the US may not return the favour if another NATO nations needs it. A nice polite fuck you it seems towards the rest of us.

If the roles were reversed, I can bet you would be pounding the drum, hard n furiously.

It is not America itself, it is the unpredictablity of the current President that worries America's allies.

 

[KeithD]

It is not America itself, it is the unpredictablity of the current President that worries America's allies.

That's my surmise too. Trump has been so blatant that I think this has been personalized by everyone--as in when Trump explodes and scatters away, a different United States that is still basically the nation that was founded on hopeful principles will be there. Unfortunately, it will still contain sizable numbers of degenerates who have now come out of the woodwork and will taint the United States for many years to come. Wonder how many in the foreign environment see that in the United States that they didn't realize before is there.

(That said, I served in embassies abroad for a good many years and was put in the position to defend U.S. policies and principles. The foreign view has always, I've found, seen a tainted underseam in the American system that I could not defend. Of course they tended not to see the tainted underseams in their own systems when they were criticizing mine.)

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It is not America itself, it is the unpredictablity of the current President that worries America's allies.

Well said!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Fake news....he never did any such thing.

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.

Really?? So I guess Fox "is" fake news.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.

Really?? So I guess Fox "is" fake news.

It was early December 2015 when Trump called for a travel ban on Muslims, until he can figure out what's going on.

Nearly four years later, he still hasn't figured out what's going on.

 

[phrodeau]

Fake news....he never did any such thing.

Yes, he did.

DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.

 

[oggbashan]

That's my surmise too. Trump has been so blatant that I think this has been personalized by everyone--as in when Trump explodes and scatters away, a different United States that is still basically the nation that was founded on hopeful principles will be there. Unfortunately, it will still contain sizable numbers of degenerates who have now come out of the woodwork and will taint the United States for many years to come. Wonder how many in the foreign environment see that in the United States that they didn't realize before is there.

(That said, I served in embassies abroad for a good many years and was put in the position to defend U.S. policies and principles. The foreign view has always, I've found, seen a tainted underseam in the American system that I could not defend. Of course they tended not to see the tainted underseams in their own systems when they were criticizing mine.)

Some of us are aware of our own failures and the failures of successive governments to properly fund defence. The 'peace bonus' from the ending of the cold war has been overstated. The threats are different. The abilities to respond are underresourced. Yes, the UK needs aircraft carriers but not at the expense of degrading every other military spend.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It was early December 2015 when Trump called for a travel ban on Muslims, until he can figure out what's going on.

Nearly four years later, he still hasn't figured out what's going on.

I just used the first hit I found, over a million on the counter on google to chose from.

 

[dan_c00000]

Holy shit did I get OWNED! I tried to lie my way through and use some racist horseshit but I got OWNED and TRIGGERED!

Yeah you did bot. I honestly don't know how you could even post here anymore considering that I not only unmasked your alts, destroyed every argument you could ever make, and forced one of your alts to get banned.

I want to ask you a question rape boy: are you ever ashamed at just how much you get owned on here?