Wat’s Carbon Water-N-Stuff Thread - Concepts In Iron And Wood!!!

[Rebel5soul]

 

[HisArpy]

Prolly something with a smaller bullet and an "aught six" in its name.

Might want to consider putting a 25 before that "aught six." The 8x57 Mauser isn't exactly the strongest receiver and I had nightmares of getting a bolt in the face the last time I rebarreled one in .30 something or other.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Even in the case of individuals, there is no possibility to feel happiness through anger. If in a difficult situation one becomes disturbed internally, overwhelmed by mental discomfort, then external things will not help at all. However, if despite external difficulties or problems, internally one’s attitude is of love, warmth, and kindheartedness, then problems can be faced and accepted.

~ His Holiness the Dalai Lama




Peace is not something you must hope for in the future. Rather, it is a deepening of the present, and unless you look for it in the present you will never find it.

~ Thomas Merton

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I was thinking of something from 6mm to 6.5mm. Looks like ammo is scarce for those not called .25-'06. That seems like a simple decision, then.


If'n-when it happens, of course.


Something in the -08 family is also possible, too.

 

[Rebel5soul]

.25 PRC.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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Yeah, he has earned Wat’s special corner in Hell where all the libturds go.


Hotter fires, more painful tortures, and longer eternity….

 

[ll74]

Yeah, he has earned Wat’s special corner in Hell where all the libturds go.


Hotter fires, more painful tortures, and longer eternity….

Do you have a special corner in your house for people that you don't like?

Weird

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The guy who is selling out made Wat another offer he don’t refuse.


Win/win….

 

[Rebel5soul]

.25 Creedmoor.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Actually, I lack a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun. I have the semi-auto.


I'd also like a .450 Bushmaster bolt gun, but it'd be a waste of a long action on anything I currently own.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

A divine smack-down always rings like good news in my ears.

~ Teh Priestess

 

[Wat_Tyler]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

If you turn your light inwardly, you will find what is esoteric within you.

~ The Sutra of Hui Neng



The thing that comes to mind is that we are dealing with energies that will not be manipulated from the ego point of power. When we try to do that we restrict and alienate our own selves from the true meaningful and powerful energies we want to be riding. As Shamans, manipulation of this power is an important issue for us to deal with, and get over with.

~ Antonio Kos




Let him that would move the world, first move himself.

~ Socrates

 

[Wat_Tyler]

So, 6.5 Creedmoor came outta high power. I'm beginning to dig this:


“It was during service rifle week. Dennis and I were sharing a condo. At the end of one day we were sitting and talking, and he told me he was getting frustrated with the 6XC,” Emary says. The 6XC, though it had been winning matches, was still a wildcat, without any published reloading data. Reloaders hadn’t worked out the kinks yet, and their ammo was frequently blowing primers and breaking extractors.

Those shooters turned to DeMille to complain and ask for help—sometimes in between strings of fire while he was competing—since the company he worked for was the exclusive distributor of the rifles chambered in 6XC.

“I went back to the condo that evening and told Dave I was ready to pack up and go home,” DeMille says. Instead, Emary persuaded him to stay, asking DeMille to think about everything he wanted in the ultimate cartridge for across-the-course shooting, as High Power is also known. The next morning, DeMille gave Emary his list. (DeMille went on to win one of his two champion crowns in High Power that year, by the way.)

DeMille came up with seven requirements. The hypothetical cartridge had to:
1. Be magazine length for the rapid-fire strings in competition.
2. Have light recoil, much less than a .308, for rapid fire and general shooter comfort.
3. Shoot flat, with an accurate, high B.C. bullet.
4. Promote good barrel life.
5. Use readily available components, including powder, so that it could be easily replicated.
6. Have the reloading recipe listed on the box.
7. Be produced in quantities sufficient to meet demand.


https://www.outdoorlife.com/evolution-65-creedmoor/

 

[Rebel5soul]

It's been long known that cartridges in the 6 - 6.5 class (and by extension their middle weight brethren the .25) were flat shooting, wind bucking, cartridges. The gold standard was the 6.5x55 Swede ( 6.5x55 Swede ) a 130 year old cartridge.

In the above wish list item 1 stands out, the rapid fire strings, or what we referred to as "rattle battle." Obviously those strings required an auto-loader so wallah, a mid-length cartridge. Then it was found out that the trick was a really long bullet with a really fast twist at velocities approaching, or exceeding, 3000 fps. Regardless, with a bolt gun the cartridge length restriction goes away.

In the 25 class there were essentially only 3 choices, the Savage 250-3000, the .257 Roberts, and the 25-06. The Savage and Roberts are both excellent cartridges. The 25-06 always suffered from being over-bore and suck ass bullet selections. Enter the new .25 bullets and wallah, the 25-06 is no longer over-bore and is beginning to live up to its full potential.

I discount the 6mm for no other reason than the bullets are too light to be effective at longer ranges. The accuracy is there but the knock-down is lacking, The 6.5's and 25's run neck and neck, there's only .007" difference between the two.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

So I think I see my way clear to 3 possible cartridges in this neck of the woods. The .25-‘06 is obvious, and it does require a long action, so it’s good for the .30-‘06 action firearms rebates. We already got a 6.5 Creedmoor semi-auto, so maybe a bolt gun with a short action would be a good idea. Based on the reading, a bolt gun in the 6.5 PRC looks like it would be really entertaining. I can’t see doing a semi auto in that.

 

[Rebel5soul]

The VZ is an intermediate action but I do have a 25-06 I built on a La Coruna action which is the same as the VZ or any other large ring Mauser. The Mauser actions will withstand all but the biggest magnums the exception being any German military Mauser built from 1943 to the end of the war. The hardening on those rifles is suspect and should be tested on a Rockwell hardness machine (both bolt and receiver) before anything is fired in them.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

So I will have the VZ, my 1939 Mauser, and my two ‘03A3 Springfields. I will probably keep one of those in 30 calibre, and maybe both of them. If the Mausers should see their way clear to be becoming 6.5 mm or 257, that sounds kind of like a plan.

 

[Rebel5soul]

The good people over at Douglas can help you no matter what you decide.

 

[LLCox]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The good people over at Douglas can help you no matter what you decide.

Yeah, as long as it is not an M1 barrel in something other than original chambering. That didn’t go so well.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Yeah, as long as it is not an M1 barrel in something other than original chambering. That didn’t go so well.

On that one you're going to find very little help anywhere.....................unless money truly is no object.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

On that one you're going to find very little help anywhere.....................unless money truly is no object.

Actually, I don’t think there is any help for it except to get it custom ground. That’s not gonna happen.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Actually, I don’t think there is any help for it except to get it custom ground. That’s not gonna happen.

My point.

I've talked to 3 folks over at Douglas and it was like sitting down with someone and having a cup of coffee. Very easy going folks.