What do readers want?

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What indeed? This is a topic that suffuses many AH discussions, with a variety of perspectives offered.

A common understanding is that Lit readership is devoted to consuming stories on a ‘porn site’ with the main and general goal being what the jurist Robert Bork famously characterised as ‘gratification.’ They’re reading to ‘get off,’, experience a ‘climax,’ nudge their mind and body sexual nerve centers into a state of satisfaction. The stories here serve purely as vehicles to that end.

Also commonly offered up is the notion that erotic writing is, or can be, not just ‘porn’ but literature, and that at least some subset of Lit’s readership enjoys a good tale, one with erotic elements, but which also induces the pleasure that includes an appreciation for an interesting plot and/or intriguing characters. Arousal (or just plain enjoyment from a good yarn) doesn’t require satiation to be an enjoyable result from reading a story here.

These two dipoles have been debated at length, which I prefer not to rehash. My question is likely unsolvable, although anyone suggesting a suitable approach to its answer would likely find appreciation from many of us.

As a reader here, I am capable of explaining what I like in a story. If you are reading this as a forum denizen, you can probably also outline what your own preferences in a story are. Two data points now. But in the AH we’re writers as well as readers, and surely not representative of Lit readership as a whole.

What do readers really want?

One approach would be to ask them. Of course this is a straightforward enough notion, which immediately poses all manner of methodological issues. A huge survey (composed of thoughtful probing questions designed by someone versed in survey theory)? Administered how? By whom? How would we reach a representative set of readers? Those who don’t visit the forums? Don’t answer surveys? Aren’t logged in, don’t have an account, just come here for a good fifteen minute diversion at the end of their day? What do these people want?

We do have some vestigial metrics, also endlessly discussed here: views and ratings and favorites, but it’s fruitless to answer the reader question on this shadowy statistical basis. Comments at least are more informative, providing some qualitative data, but commentary inadequacies (not enough, untargeted, generally not especially thoughtful - likewise discussed to death) are substantial and unsatisfactory.

Maybe each of us could survey our own readers, those who follow us or leave comments? That might help our individual understanding, but whether that data would generalise very well across the board would certainly be up for debate.

So here we are. Writers. One half of a dance partnership. What do readers want? What do you want as a reader?

Thoughtful responses welcome.
 
I know this isn't thoughtful or helpful, but the answer is it depends on the reader.

The site has categories that allow us to narrow it down some, okay, they're reading in incest so they like family material. They're in group so...

But that's only the very basics because within every category is a ton of sub sets and preferences so your still pissing in the dark to some extent.

Best thing I've managed to come up with is simply write that is that you want to write and let the readers find you.
 
I get positive comments about stories featuring slow aclimating to the aftermath of trauma and the protagonist learning to live again.

I get positive comments about anal-only gang bangs.

Sometimes these comments are from the same person.

The only thing we can say with any certainty is that people like different things.
 
This is why I write for myself, meaning I write for a reader just like me.

I know what I like in the stories I consume here, so that's what I write.
Trying to write to an audience is both the death of creativity and impossible (unless your audience is those who enjoy mom sitting on her son’s lap that is).
 
After my first story was well received, I never gave this question much thought, frankly.
I wrote what I wanted, and what turned me on and people liked it. That told me that readers in the categories I work in, like what I like. It doesn't always work out that way, but enough that I don't sweat it.
 
There is a ton of psychology behind what motivates readers, and much of that can relate to the readers of erotica.

Escapism, safe danger, and the thrill of experiencing the lives of others are likely significant motivators here as much as they are in traditional publishing.

There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach. I do well here with novel length stories that most would consider atypical of what they would expect to attract readers here: Contemporary adventures with well developed characters experiencing little more than teasing sexual elements before fading to black.

In the end, if I wouldn't want to read it, I wouldn't want to write it.
 
I write to the audience I'm a part of and that's the easiest thing in the world because I enjoy and understand what I'm writing which allows me to be as creative as I please since the core of the writing is what my readers and I come here to enjoy.
 
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The rage rushes through you as you re-read and re-re-read the comment, boiling your blood. Some of them even like 2P. Some of them even like 2P. Some of them even like 2P. You can't believe a respected member of AH could say something so horrible. How had it come to this?

Slowly, your hands drift across the letters, formulating the only response possible:
That’s just sick in the head 😂
It's not enough to satisfy you, not by a long shot, but at least you've expressed your opinion, made known just how abhorrent you truly feel the notion to be. You sit back and let out a sound which is half grumble, half sigh. Maybe you made the wrong choice to come onto the forum today. Maybe you made the wrong choice to come onto the forum at all.

(P.S. I too hate second person.)
 
Contradictory post coming up!

What do readers really want?
What does it matter? We aren't being paid. We don't need to give them want they want AND a good enough writer (not claiming to be one, but there are plenty here) can often convince readers that they were wrong about what they thought they wanted. How often have we seen positive comments along the lines of "I don't usually read this sort of thing but..."?

So I get where Emily is coming from below:

Trying to write to an audience is both the death of creativity and impossible

And yet... actually that can be a fun and creative challenge. (It's also what I did for years in the 00s as a journalist on a range of titles.) A few of my stories these last 12 months were based on the premise of "Can I convince an audience that usually reads a non-lesbian category to read and enjoy a lesbian/lesbian-adjacent story?" Responses were mixed, but it certainly fueled my creativity and pushed me to try new things.

Plus, it was finding an audience of like-minded readers here in the Lesbian section - female-gaze orientated, romantic, inclusive - that actually made me think "I could write stuff that audience enjoys". Turns out I could. THBGato wouldn't exist if that audience didn't.
 
Can I convince an audience that usually reads a non-lesbian category to read and enjoy a lesbian/lesbian-adjacent story?
Kudos. But you write predominantly lesbian, so weren’t compromising that much. If you said:

Can I convict an audience that usual reads the lesbian category to read and enjoy mom-son incest?

That might be a different matter.
 
I'm not sure I see a point to the question. The best answer you could get is probably some form of average. We have a huge audience, and the spread in readers' goals and reactions is also huge. You could hit the need of the ideal average reader on the head and still fail to please most of the audience.

Moreover, a single story may offer a range of different entertainments, each appealing to or offending different segments of the audience.

It's long-standing advice that we should all seek our own audience. I don't concern myself with what an idealized average reader wants. Instead, I pick category, title, short description, tags to bring in readers that may like what I'm offering. I try to avoid elements that might offend the same readers, and I let the readers sort themselves out.
 
Can I convict an audience that usual reads the lesbian category to read and enjoy mom-son incest?
Yeah, but I wouldn't do it that way around. Maybe my challenge is to write a lesbian story that convinces the mon-son crowd?

Premise: Mom has to sit on Son's lap in the car. He suffers from erectile dysfunction due to crippling Oedipus complex and can't fullfil his duties, so his ex-girlfriend has to sort Mom out at a rest stop.
 
Yeah, but I wouldn't do it that way around. Maybe my challenge is to write a lesbian story that convinces the mon-son crowd?

Premise: Mom has to sit on Son's lap in the car. He suffers from erectile dysfunction due to crippling Oedipus complex and can't fullfil his duties, so his ex-girlfriend has to sort Mom out at a rest stop.

Or... hear me out... daughter sits on mom's lap!

Problem solved.
 
If I did not care about what the reader wants I would not care about comments and ratings and things, but I do so obviously I care.

But I think writing for the reader would detract from the stories. You have to write for yourself and hope readers respond.
 
I know this isn't thoughtful or helpful, but the answer is it depends on the reader.

The site has categories that allow us to narrow it down some, okay, they're reading in incest so they like family material. They're in group so...

But that's only the very basics because within every category is a ton of sub sets and preferences so your still pissing in the dark to some extent.

Best thing I've managed to come up with is simply write that is that you want to write and let the readers find you.
Depends on the day.

Sometimes you want to read a few hours. Sometimes you want to get to sleep. Sometimes you want to push your boundaries.
 
Not a rumble so much as that I read to experience another perspective or story vicariously, not to be told what my own actions and feelings are or would be.
One of the points that came up in a recent discussion was that the reader isn't being told what they're doing or thinking or feeling.

After all, nobody believes that the reader is actually experiencing the story - my most recent 2P story is a cyberpunk adventure - but instead, the reader is invited along for the ride. A passenger, as it were, and far more passive than 1P.
 
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