What do you say about European Socialism?

[NeverEndingMe]

UK "socialism" isn't FREE.

The NHS, the welfare state, pensions, education are all based on payments by individuals and companies through personal and company taxation, national insurance and local (council) taxes.

The costs of the Police and Fire services are collected as part of Council taxes.

The NHS costs less per head to cover everybody than the health services of the US that DON'T cover everybody.

I paid income tax on my pension contributions. I paid tax on the interest on my pension pot. I pay income tax on the pension I receive, and when I spend that money I pay VAT (sales tax) on many things I buy - so that is four taxes on my current income.

Free? It ain't free.

and it puts an unfair burden on the working class and stipends economic growth

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yes they had government.....

If it were not for all that government provides from literally the ground up...roads to public schools......none of them would have ever had anything they do now and America would be a 3rd world shit hole just like every other nation without a strong centralized government of some kind.

I'm right and you know it...otherwise you would be pointing to a super kick ass super power nation that didn't have much if any government, much less one that is even close to having any sort of living standards....but you're not, because they never have and never will exist, they are all 100% total fucking shit holes.

So, Apple ...IBM had more roads and more schools. their employes were the only ones that benefited from those schools, roads....??

you are not right. you still have not proven a thing or that those that created google received benefits/entitlements that others didn't receive

what you are 'right' in doing is showing how limited and jealous of a person you are.

 

[BotanyBoy]

and it puts an unfair burden on the working class and stipends economic growth

Both of those have been proven bat shit insano wrong.......on multitude of levels.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So, Apple ...IBM had more roads and more schools. their employes were the only ones that benefited from those schools, roads....??

No....without the roads and schools and grants and contracts and and and and....none of those companies would be what they are if they would have ever existed in the first place.

The only reason we have any of the companies/products/things/bullshit we do is because government makes it possible.

Shit if it weren't for government subsidies and funding most of you fuckers wouldn't be able to feed yourselves. Only the wealthy would be able to eat.....Job or not......loaf of bread would coast a fuckin' grip if all the farmers weren't subsidized and tax exempt through the nose.

you are not right.

Yes....I am.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I in no way meant to suggest we should do away with copy right/trademark/patents. I do think they need to be tweaked to fit the modern day. While I'm not condoning various forms of piracy copyright law was never meant to protect Britney Spears from me. It was meant to protect me from Britney Spears.

ugh...I'm with you ( I think). We need trademarks but what SCO did, those people and those like them should be hung and de-skinned before their death

 

[NeverEndingMe]

No....without the roads and schools and grants and contracts and and and and....none of those companies would be what they are if they would have ever existed in the first place.

The only reason we have any of the companies/products/things/bullshit we do is because government makes it possible.

Shit if it weren't for government most of you fuckers wouldn't be able to feed yourselves. Only the wealthy would be able to eat.....Job or not......



Yes....I am.

No, those roads where not put in place just for those companies. government does jack shit. this is why you can't offer any proof or show where government gave those companies an advantage

you sound like a spoiled baby that just lost the race ...

again, you are 150% wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

and it puts an unfair burden on the working class and stipends economic growth

Except it doesn't hurt growth. IT helps.

So, Apple ...IBM had more roads and more schools. their employes were the only ones that benefited from those schools, roads....??

you are not right. you still have not proven a thing or that those that created google received benefits/entitlements that others didn't receive

what you are 'right' in doing is showing how limited and jealous of a person you are.

They weren't the only ones who benefited, but benefit they did from government intervention in ways they either couldn't do on their own or certainly wouldn't want to.

Even though we all know they did received beneifts and entitlements that others didn't receive for various reasons, who's you're lobbyist again?

Call it jealousy, whatever. That doesn't make the facts any less true.

 

[phrodeau]

No, those roads where not put in place just for those companies. government does jack shit. this is why you can't offer any proof or show where government gave those companies an advantage

you sound like a spoiled baby that just lost the race ...

again, you are 150% wrong.

The government gives all domestic companies an advantage over foreign companies.

Why can't that fact fit in your head? It's mostly empty in there.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

what? UK and europe has a lower standard of living, unless you are an obama slave or strive to work min wage jobs at McDonalds.

which leads me to you. I'm sure that you want fast food words to 'earn' more than $15 an hour as that will grow the economy. except you lost track that a job at McDonalds is only worth $6/hr

your "truth" isn't a universal truth. only makes 'it' true in your head and not reality

Except it doesn't hurt growth. IT helps.



They weren't the only ones who benefited, but benefit they did from government intervention in ways they either couldn't do on their own or certainly wouldn't want to.

Even though we all know they did received beneifts and entitlements that others didn't receive for various reasons, who's you're lobbyist again?

Call it jealousy, whatever. That doesn't make the facts any less true.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The government gives all domestic companies an advantage over foreign companies.

Why can't that fact fit in your head? It's mostly empty in there.

like you know what a "company" is ... I had to quote you, after all, you being a welfare couch potato

 

[Sean Renaud]

what? UK and europe has a lower standard of living, unless you are an obama slave or strive to work min wage jobs at McDonalds.

which leads me to you. I'm sure that you want fast food words to 'earn' more than $15 an hour as that will grow the economy. except you lost track that a job at McDonalds is only worth $6/hr

your "truth" isn't a universal truth. only makes 'it' true in your head and not reality

Where in Europe has a lower standard of living than the US? Sure there are places but over all Western Europe is out pacing us in just about every way possible. And yes, I do want Fast Food workers to earn $15 dollars an hour. If a job a McDonalds is only worth$6 dollars then nobody should do it and McDonalds should go out of business. It's really that simple.

My truth is only truth. Because it's reality.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, those roads where not put in place just for those companies.

government does jack shit.

I never said they were...I said those companies and everything they are would have never happened without them.

Government makes business as we understand it today possible from a variety of aspects...has for well over 100 years.

this is why you can't offer any proof or show where government gave those companies an advantage

I can I'm just not going to....your willful ignorance and/or total ineptitude to do your own goggle search isn't my problem.

you sound like a spoiled baby that just lost the race ...

again, you are 150% wrong.

I am spoiled.....Humboldt ranch...Santa Cruz/Half Moon Bay beach houses...condo crash pad in SF......drinking designer/hand crafted drinks when I'm thirsty...burning like 300 bucks of flowers n' concentrate a day.....even get my organic non GMO health food delivered.

I may not be a tycoon or billionaire taking the gold cup home....but I'm far from losing the race.

I also understand this is all only because my father was a USAF officer. Which opened a number of doors for me, got me into good schools (paid for by the government) which led me to a bunch of opportunities all of which were either directly or indirectly supported by the government. From advancement/promotions in the military to starting a business/farms.

Had it not been for the government I'd be some street urchin in Seattle...which would be a complete hell hole if it ever existed in the first place.

Again I'm 150% right...because you can't show me a single nation that has ever amounted to more than a disease ridden shit hole without a strong centralized government.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

back to fantasy writing .... sad

so you failed. plain and simple. government did NOT help these companies. Yes, there are goods and services (ie schools, roads...) but there was ZERO direct input from government that helped the companies listed.

this is the perfect example to you being mentally unstable. people in Apple...IBM get up off his or her ass and 'Do it' they are not like you, they do not look for excuses. if they fail, they learn from the mistake, get up and do it again.

you and sean, smoke pot and dream up excuses to being failures.

its just that simple.

I never said they were...I said those companies and everything they are would have never happened without them.

Government makes business as we understand it today possible from a variety of aspects...has for well over 100 years.



I can I'm just not going to....your willful ignorance and/or total ineptitude to do your own goggle search isn't my problem.



I am spoiled.....Humboldt ranch...Santa Cruz/Half Moon Bay beach houses...condo crash pad in SF......drinking designer/hand crafted drinks when I'm thirsty...burning like 300 bucks of flowers n' concentrate a day.....even get my organic non GMO health food delivered.

I may not be a tycoon or billionaire taking the gold cup home....but I'm far from losing the race.

I also understand this is all only because my father was a USAF officer. Which opened a number of doors for me, got me into good schools (paid for by the government) which led me to a bunch of opportunities all of which were either directly or indirectly supported by the government. From advancement/promotions in the military to starting a business/farms.

Had it not been for the government I'd be some street urchin in Seattle...which would be a complete hell hole if it ever existed in the first place.

Again I'm 150% right...because you can't show me a single nation that has ever amounted to more than a disease ridden shit hole without a strong centralized government.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Where in Europe has a lower standard of living than the US? Sure there are places but over all Western Europe is out pacing us in just about every way possible. And yes, I do want Fast Food workers to earn $15 dollars an hour. If a job a McDonalds is only worth$6 dollars then nobody should do it and McDonalds should go out of business. It's really that simple.

My truth is only truth. Because it's reality.

again, you and your kind are at the bottom. if we remove you, botboy, the obama slaves then America has a high standard of living.

America has more millionaires than just about any other country (China might have past us)

 

[phrodeau]

back to fantasy writing .... sad

so you failed. plain and simple. government did NOT help these companies. Yes, there are goods and services (ie schools, roads...) but there was ZERO direct input from government that helped the companies listed.

this is the perfect example to you being mentally unstable. people in Apple...IBM get up off his or her ass and 'Do it' they are not like you, they do not look for excuses. if they fail, they learn from the mistake, get up and do it again.

you and sean, smoke pot and dream up excuses to being failures.

its just that simple.

You are completely wrong. Government services provide a direct benefit for American companies, and in many cases, provide specific personalized input.

 

[BotanyBoy]

back to fantasy writing .... sad

so you failed. plain and simple. government did NOT help these companies. Yes, there are goods and services (ie schools, roads...) but there was ZERO direct input from government that helped the companies listed.

Yes there was, from county local level all the way up....tax breaks, contracts, research grants and more.

It's all available on google if you're willing to see the truth.

this is the perfect example to you being mentally unstable. people in Apple...IBM get up off his or her ass and 'Do it' they are not like you, they do not look for excuses. if they fail, they learn from the mistake, get up and do it again.

you and sean, smoke pot and dream up excuses to being failures.

its just that simple.

How am I looking for excuses?

What makes you think I didn't get up and at it again when I got knocked down?

I'll smoke pot and dream up ways to spend my money to make more money....while you talk about 20 bucks and some elbow grease like some kinda loon.

Life is better with the government around keeping shit together and helping people out...it's just that simple. That's why you wouldn't dare move to a nation without or with very little government.....you can't name a single one. Keep dodging that little fact to keep your fantasy world together.

 

[BotanyBoy]

again, you and your kind are at the bottom. if we remove you, botboy, the obama slaves then America has a high standard of living.

Sorry....Blue has mo money than Red...das a fact.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lemhexkyNI1qg3uqyo1_400.gif

 

[Sean Renaud]

again, you and your kind are at the bottom. if we remove you, botboy, the obama slaves then America has a high standard of living.

America has more millionaires than just about any other country (China might have past us)

No, that's simply not true. We do not have a higher standard of living than most of Western Europe. We do have a high standard depending on whom you compare us to and under what circumstances.

America has more millionaires than just about any other country. America is the third largest country by population. So that's a bit meaningless. I doubt China passed us by the way, our GDP still dwarfs them. Basically they have more people and less money going around.

So basically youre full of shit.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You are completely wrong. Government services provide a direct benefit for American companies, and in many cases, provide specific personalized input.

so then, why hasn't everyone in America created a Apple ... Facebook?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

your ignorance is why you are so bliss and full of hit.

a quitter, that is on a look out for his next great excuse as to why he failed in life.

you need to stop smoking the crack as it has made you whacked

No, that's simply not true. We do not have a higher standard of living than most of Western Europe. We do have a high standard depending on whom you compare us to and under what circumstances.

America has more millionaires than just about any other country. America is the third largest country by population. So that's a bit meaningless. I doubt China passed us by the way, our GDP still dwarfs them. Basically they have more people and less money going around.

So basically youre full of shit.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

again, you have zero proof. only your 'fantasy'

Stay strong and 'Don't Stop Believing' as you don't want to piss Journey off

Yes there was, from county local level all the way up....tax breaks, contracts, research grants and more.

It's all available on google if you're willing to see the truth.



How am I looking for excuses?

What makes you think I didn't get up and at it again when I got knocked down?

I'll smoke pot and dream up ways to spend my money to make more money....while you talk about 20 bucks and some elbow grease like some kinda loon.

Life is better with the government around keeping shit together and helping people out...it's just that simple. That's why you wouldn't dare move to a nation without or with very little government.....you can't name a single one. Keep dodging that little fact to keep your fantasy world together.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

so in your head you have blue and red money...got it. on the dope, again.


cool

mom's sofa has to bee good,yes?

Sorry....Blue has mo money than Red...das a fact.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lemhexkyNI1qg3uqyo1_400.gif

 

[Iceprincess12]

*popcorn*

Politics always devolves into name calling.

 

[BotanyBoy]

again, you have zero proof. only your 'fantasy'

Stay strong and 'Don't Stop Believing' as you don't want to piss Journey off

I have plenty of proof...it's matter of public record. You're refusal of reality isn't my problem.

so in your head you have blue and red money...got it. on the dope, again.


cool

What? LOL are you on mescaline?

mom's sofa has to bee good,yes?

Well I bought her a pottery barn set....it better be.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

once again, you offer nothing up.

I have plenty of proof...it's matter of public record. You're refusal of reality isn't my problem.



What? LOL are you on mescaline?



Well I bought her a pottery barn set....it better be.