What exactly was the original sin?

[Pyper]

Hold on a minute now...so, before Jesus, everybody since the dawn of creation was stuck in Hell? God is such a jerk! ::furtively looks around for other BB members who would take this last comment as evidence that she has it out for Christianity::

Does that mean you Beleave in God?



just wondering...

When I say "God is such a jerk", I mean "the mythological god of Christianity is such a jerk". "God" is just shorter.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I'm sorry, the Jews do have a Hell. Remember that hour and half you spent watching "Yentl"? That was it.

 

[MinkSoul]

ok...

 

[Pyper]

I'm sorry, the Jews do have a Hell. Remember that hour and half you spent watching "Yentl"? That was it.

LMAO!

On a side note, don't you find it odd that the atheists here seem to know the most about the Bible?


::has the urge to cue the theme from the Twilight Zone for the second time today, but decides it isn't appropriate...damn, just damn::

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: OK Thanks...

...it's just that I met someone last night who ventured the opinion that the original sin was Eve having children and that explained the celibacy of the Catholic Church.

Just made me think is all...

I don't have the source to back me up, but I remember reading that Catholic priests became celibate to gain credibility. They didn't start out as celibates, but after a little too much corruption in the ranks, the people began to lose faith in their lack of piety, and the coffers became unacceptably light. So the celibacy move was a marketing ploy to get the people and their money back in the church, with the original sin spin added as an afterthought.

(If anyone can back me up or disprove this, I'd be enormously thankful.)

If there is a source to Mischka's post I'd like to hear it too.

 

[lazarus UK]

Isn't original sin a religious version of debt slavery? The kind of stuff that runs child labour in the third world.

The idea that death doesn't cancel debt is bad enough, but to generate debt that can never be cancelled - as in the pre-Christian era - and that dooms you to damnation eternally is pretty nasty.

OK, its a great sales pitch to the heathen, but how much is this the Church and how much the Religion?

 

[Chaton]

The only Original Sin I know of...

Is the song by INXS~~ "Dream on white boy..."

 

[Todd]

Re: i found a strange passage...

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, Rev. 22.14 and eat, and live for ever:

who's 'us'?

second one is eye opening...

Genesis 3:22 the 'us' is in reference to the Godhead, the trinity, the whole Father, Son, Holy Ghost concept.

Trinity

A word not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr. trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168) or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220) to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these:

1. That God is one, and that there is but one God #De 6:4 1Ki 8:60 Isa 44:6 Mr 12:29,32 Joh 10:30
2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit.
4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.

As For Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

This is a future event yet to occur, after the tribulation and after the 1000 year earthly rule of Christ.


Oh well I will shut up now cause no one really cares what I have to say

 

[Todd]

Hold on a minute now...so, before Jesus, everybody since the dawn of creation was stuck in Hell? God is such a jerk! ::furtively looks around for other BB members who would take this last comment as evidence that she has it out for Christianity::

Hell had to compartments Paradise or Abraham's Bosom {they were kinky, I'll explain further the name if neccessary.} and Hell they were seperate from one another by a great divide. But they could see across one to the other. The Old testaments beleivers were not burning and in tourment they were in the paradise part. In Fact and example:

Luke 16

19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Deborah]

Shit, I just woke up and now I'm getting sleepy again.

But I do have one question. Where did you all who said "apple" find that word in the bible. I'm looking and looking and I can't find it.

 

[crystalhunting]

Actually the Hebrews did have a "Hell"..it was called Ghehhna...also know as the landfill on the east side of Jerusuleum..it's been used as a trash dump for centuries.

 

[Deborah]

You got the wrong pic. That's an ancient phallic symbol called an 'asherah.' Every Jewish princess had a smaller one for her own personal devotions.

 

[crystalhunting]

Actually Deborah...the picture has nothing to do with my comment...its part of my sig line...

 

[Deborah]

Sorry.

How much does it cost for one of those things and what sizes do they come in?

 

[crystalhunting]

Oh boy....Deborah..its a rare form of quartz crystal that is only found in Madagascar....here is the link it came from if you want to know.....
http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/Red.htm


CH

 

[Deborah]

Well crystalhunting, can you make a real one for me out of jade, gold and emeralds? But it has to be circumsized.

Back to the topic of the thread, I heard a rumor that the original sin had to do with Satan poking Eve.

 

[jcgirl]

I don't remember anything about Satan poking Eve.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Are we going to have to look at your cock rock every time you post? Cause it's pretty disturbing.

"Apple" is just one of a billion contemporary translations generally accepted for the Genesis reference to "fruit". Are we going to get that nit-picky? You don't find the word "Jesus" in the (original language) Bible either.

 

[Deborah]

Dixon, you and your entourage got to be kidding about this apple thing. The "fruit" in question is a banana. Satan's banana.

Hey Todd, tell Dixon about Jesus. I think he's a little confused. Even you can get that one right.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Isn't it obvious that it was me? I mean, I think I made it well known when I made it my subtitle, but if you don't believe me.... then go look for yourself! I look just like an apple! As for the cock rock, I like it a lot. Very representative, in more ways than one.

http://communities.msn.com/KaydiasKitchenette





[Edited by Myst on 04-08-2001 at 04:52 PM]

 

[Charly]

Re: Disobedience...

eating the apple when told not to...and as far as I am concerned Adam was a weak, lily-livered panty-waist...couldn't the guy say no when she offered the fruit to him? And what was up with him blaming Eve when God came to them asking "Where art thou?" and asked why they were hiding and why they ate of the fruit....Ol' Adam said, Hey, man it's her fault she made me eat it....it's that woman. Man couldn't take responsibility for his actions then and still can't! MUAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Actually, he blamed it on the snake. But the point is still the same. He couldn't accept accountability.

Not much has changed, eh?

 

[bluntforcemama]

got a new website! here you go: http://kaydiaskitchenette.homestead.com/index.html

 

[Ally C]

"Apple" is just one of a billion contemporary translations generally accepted for the Genesis reference to "fruit". Are we going to get that nit-picky? You don't find the word "Jesus" in the (original language) Bible either.

Shouldn't that be apple-picky? Or banana-picky? Or a banana-and-two-apples-picky perhaps? Sounds like a forbidden fruit cocktail -- there's a thread that deals with this somewhere I think!

Back to the topic of the thread, I heard a rumor that the original sin had to do with Satan poking Eve.

Satan poked Eve? Holy fire and brimstone! So that's what the burning bush was ...

 

[p_p_man]

Back to the topic of the thread, I heard a rumor that the original sin had to do with Satan poking Eve.

Satan poked Eve? Holy fire and brimstone! So that's what the burning bush was ... [/B][/QUOTE]

I've just gotta stop laughing out loud...I'm getting some funny looks from folks around me!

 

[Deborah]

Do you people want to hear the REAL STORY or not?

Nobody ever heard the one about Cain being the offspring of Satan? Doh! Me thinks you all spend too much time watching wrestling and pumping up your IQ with steroids.

Where did the dude with the ancient phallic symbols go? I got a market for this stuff. And you can get your very own "Deborah" model at ...

http://www.divine-interventions-com