What is it with Incest?

[BlackSnake]

Sorry Folks ....Came Across This Tread By Accident......

Without Question......This Subject "IS" The Most Fucked Up Subject Matter That I think A Human Being .... And I Do Emphasize "Human Being" ...Not Beast ...
I Can't Even Remotely Contemplate It ..... P.E.R.I.O.D. ........

I might Add.... I'm a pretty Liberal Thinking Individual....With a fair amount of Intelligence...... Incest Is Beyond Comprehension To Me.....

Sure It Happens...... Along with Eating Fellow Humans....Sticking your Cock In a Dog, Horse, Goat or Mounting a Cow...... As Well As Shoving a Boa Constrictor Up Your Vagina for Stimuation....

Human Beings Are Capable of Any And All !!!!!!

Fucking your Mother... Father...Sister...Brother ????.... Come On !!!!! REALLY !!!!!! Very Sick..... Some of you may joke about it....Lust For it...Whatever......
I Have Two Daughters Of MY Own.... A Mother... A Brother...A Sister ....Etc...
The incomprehensible Damage Of The ACT IN Question.....The Demented Warpness of the Perpetrator Who Birthed This Kind Of Lust ......
the act itself and the aftermath of emotional damage left behind.... Is Repulsive to me......

Believe Me.... I´m grateful for Literatica to Create this Forum for All Of US to be able to Express Our Desires and Fantasies..... In A Perfect World... I´d be the First To Tip My Hat and Say " Whatever Floats Your Boat" .....

But Do To This Perverse Subject Matter in My Opinion..... " I Do Not ...Nor Will I Grant Myself The Luxury Of Any Hat Tipping Here" .......

If Anyone In My Family Even Remotely Sexually Touched MY Daughters.....My Self Included.......He or She Should Be Simply Taken Out Back And Shot ....Without Trial Or Jury for the Sick Fuck That He or She Is............ P.E.R.I.O.D. !

LMAO!

Since you mentioned your daughters I can only assume they are at the very least 18 years of age and fictional. What if your grown daughter tells you that she will continue fucking your husband and brother, and will keep licking and sucking on her sister and aunt's cunt. And if you try to stop her that she will take you out back and spank you until you beg for a finger in your aching hot pussy?

Just kidding. Just keep references about adults and not children.

 

[Swain]

I didn't deny it, because sexual act with children is harmful to the child.




I'm only discounting anything involving children, because it's not what I'm talking about. I'm only referring to consenting adults.



I've already said that is was not socially acceptable, but that doesn't answer the question: What's wrong with incest?

Son asks mom to have sex with her, she says okay, but don't let your brother know because I don't want him complaining that I treat you better than him.

What's wrong with incest? I think the more important question is what's right with it? Is it just the next sexual "fad" to shock and alarm others?

 

[Swain]

I'm discounting anything involving minors.



If they love each other, why not fuck each other? There may not be a love affair, but there is still the unconditional love.

What's wrong with it?

Love makes it okay? Do you have a pet you love? Is it okay to fuck the pet just because you love it?

 

[sunandshadow]

Love makes it okay? Do you have a pet you love? Is it okay to fuck the pet just because you love it?

Yes, no, and yes.

 

[Swain]

Lot's daughters get him drunk and date-rape him.

Oedipus abandons his kingdom when he is told of the prophecy that he will murder his father and bed his mother; no one ever gets to tell him he was adopted. When he finds out he fled his home only to kill his biological father and have children with his biological mother who live next door, he stabs out both his eyes with copper pins.

In other words, Oedipus is not best poster boy for promoting incest as something healthy.

Tell that to the Hapsburgs.

You have to ask yourself: Why were they outlawed and made taboo in the first place?

The only reason I can see for incest to be in any way shape or form a fetish and a taboo is so that the current sexually active people can be cool and "rebel" against the norm. It has to be the reason. No normal sane member of society looks at a family member and gets horny from it. Incest is simply the sexual equivalent to what Marilyn Manson has done in the music community. You know, "Look at me! I'm shocking aren't I? Come on people the Goth fad came and went. The Marilyn Manson fad came and went. Let the Incest is shocking so it's something I'm into fad die too please? If this isn't the reason you're into incest, get the fucking psychological help you obviouslt need and also warn your families to your condition and put yourselves into isolation from your families.

 

[Swain]

Yes, no, and yes.

Seek psychological assistance.

 

[fogbank]

The only reason I can see for incest to be in any way shape or form a fetish and a taboo is so that the current sexually active people can be cool and "rebel" against the norm. It has to be the reason. No normal sane member of society looks at a family member and gets horny from it. Incest is simply the sexual equivalent to what Marilyn Manson has done in the music community. You know, "Look at me! I'm shocking aren't I? Come on people the Goth fad came and went. The Marilyn Manson fad came and went. Let the Incest is shocking so it's something I'm into fad die too please? If this isn't the reason you're into incest, get the fucking psychological help you obviouslt need and also warn your families to your condition and put yourselves into isolation from your families.

You have a real tendency in your posts for generalizations based on conjecture. Reasons for why incest is popular are probably as numerous as there are incest readers, but if it makes you feel better to believe that this is nothing more than a shock fad, you're welcome to hold that perspective. In reality, it's much more complicated. Everyone has their own reasons, and some are rooted deep in the psyche of personal history, some are based on the pure shock value of the act, some are interested in it as a way of exploring other issues within the human condition. I've yet to hear anyone publicly declare to be into incest, so I think your Marilyn Manson comparison is off the mark. It tends to be a much more personal and private thing. I say this based on the fact that I have written several incest stories on here, and the reasons readers like my stories are often very different from the reasons I like my stories, and I'm often surprised at exactly what works (or doesn't work) for various readers. Though the general preference seems to be for a heavily santized, idealized form, distant from any sort of reality.

In my opinion the things that go on in the average incest tale on here are far less abhorrent than what goes on in the average crime or horror story (is consentual sex between related adults really as awful as murder?). And yet I'm not going to seek out enthusiasts of those genres and suggest that they're at risk to go on a massacre unless they get help. Obviously, these people have their own reasons for their choices in the things they read, and I don't presume to understand them. Nor do I draw any extrapolations about the character of these people based on what they like to read.

Obviously incest lit provokes a strongly negative personal reaction from you; it does for a lot of people. And I don't feel the need to justify it to you. But I do think that you need to separate the act of reading or writing a story from the act depicted within said story.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

For me, there is absolutely zero interest in real life. I enjoy roleplaying it because of the taboo aspect, I believe. Most of my sexual interests involve things that I consider "wrong." It's that simple.

Why it matters, though? I have no idea.

Ditto. I write about it too. Dunno why. Perhaps because so many on Lit read and vote in that category.

Me, personally. I tend to have a cute blonde, in her late thirties/early forties in my mind fantasies... So why incest? Not a clue.

 

[BlackSnake]

What's wrong with incest? I think the more important question is what's right with it? Is it just the next sexual "fad" to shock and alarm others?

What's right with it? You know that you are having sex with someone who truely loves you.

 

[sunandshadow]

Seek psychological assistance.

*snort* There's a big difference between taking a somewhat unusual stance on an ethical issue and needing therapy. My opinion is a philosophical one with dispassionate reasoning behind it.

For example: it could be scientifically demonstrated that some animals, such as male dogs, enjoy sex with humans and will try to seek it out and initiate it. An animal, unlike a child, is not going to 'conset' (inasmuch as animals or children are capable of doing so, which is a gray area) to sex one day then later decide it was immoral or otherwise traumatizing. I believe that it's bad to abuse animals but don't believe that sex inherently constitutes abuse.

I don't personally find animals particularly attractive because intelligence and eloquence are two of my primary requirements for finding someone attractive, but as someone who has done a lot of research into sexual psychology I can understand why other people might lust for or love an animal in a fairly mentally healthy way. For many of the same reasons incest would seem appealing actually - in particular that pets are familiar and provide unconditional love, which makes them seem much safer than trying to establish an intimate relationship with a human they don't know very well, and who will have much higher expectations and much more inclination to abandon their lover if they are dissatisfied.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

What's right with it? You know that you are having sex with someone who truely loves you.

Though I do have a basic grasp of what you are aiming for discussion wise BS, I still don't see why having sex with a family member should be considered anything less than taboo. Roleplaying..maybe, (but even then I get a little shaky with the thought...). Anything between 2 consenting adults should be fine...*nods*..I get it. But the fact is most people involved in this type of thing usually get started when they are much younger...It becomes a normal thing for them. (I did say most, not all).

That being said, I really don't have a problem with the thought of 2 second cousins. After all the blood line is not as tight and by 3rd cousin status tis practically nil. But aunts/uncles, neices/nephews...mum/son, daddy/daughter?? The blood lines are far too close and even between consenting adults, it just seems a mite troublesome. And suppose these same consenting adults practiced this type of sexual quirk with NO protection. The resultant child would be damaged.

This thought, more than any other...is what sends a big hell no to my brain.
I don't deny that consenting adults have the right to decide who, when and why...but I don't see why one would want to fuck within the bloodline. There are far too many people in the world for that to be needed.

 

[Oblimo]

(inasmuch as animals or children are capable of doing so, which is a gray area)

Be forewarned, that, by United States law, it is not a gray area at all. Animals and children cannot give consent. Children are legally "incompetent." Animals lack legal personhood and no study of the pleasure centers of the canine brain will ever change that.

 

[sunandshadow]

Be forewarned, that, by United States law, it is not a gray area at all. Animals and children cannot give consent. Children are legally "incompetent." Animals lack legal personhood and no study of the pleasure centers of the canine brain will ever change that.

Yes, I understand that. I disagree with the law (in the case of animals, not in the case of children), but consider myself fortunate that I don't feel any personal urge to violate the law.

 

[BlackSnake]

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This thought, more than any other...is what sends a big hell no to my brain.
I don't deny that consenting adults have the right to decide who, when and why...but I don't see why one would want to fuck within the bloodline. There are far too many people in the world for that to be needed.

It's very convient, and some adult chidren can talk openly with their parents and siblings about sex.


Here is some saving grace: Some people would not date their siblings if by some trick that could change their blood relationship. Some people would love to just desolve their blood kin and forget they ever knew each other.

I get you.

The cool thing about fiction is that we controll the setting.

 

[silverwhisper]

i see you're continue to refuse to supply positive answers, blacksnake. you are also responding only to those bits of posts that agree w/ you.

o wait, you did supply one positive answer: b/c it's a guarantee of having sex w/ someone who loves you. if this is the absolute only reason why incest as a category makes sense, OK, but i find it telling that it's taken this long after repeated questions and it's all you've got: one lonely answer. which upon further reflection is bogus: as you say yourself, if you're the author, you control the circumstances.

it actually sounds to me like you're rationalizing the act of incest, not incest as a lit category.

ed

 

[VirginInEbony]

Swain

The only reason I can see for incest to be in any way shape or form a fetish and a taboo is so that the current sexually active people can be cool and "rebel" against the norm. It has to be the reason. No normal sane member of society looks at a family member and gets horny from it. Incest is simply the sexual equivalent to what Marilyn Manson has done in the music community. You know, "Look at me! I'm shocking aren't I? Come on people the Goth fad came and went. The Marilyn Manson fad came and went. Let the Incest is shocking so it's something I'm into fad die too please? If this isn't the reason you're into incest, get the fucking psychological help you obviouslt need and also warn your families to your condition and put yourselves into isolation from your families.

Swain, I find myself most confused as to why you post in this thread. First you referred to incest as a "fad". Suggesting that it is something that has existed for a short period of time and soon will pass. And nothing could be further from the truth given it has existed for centuries. Second you reject the added aspect of unconditional love to incest. As if this is not equal to love experienced by unrelated people in a romantic relationship. Third you assume that there aren't any sane reasonable people who would engage in incest. If there were/are any such people they are least likely to shout it to the world. So making such a declaration is erroneous.

I fear that your unfavorable opinion of incest impedes your objectivity.

 

[Swain]

Swain, I find myself most confused as to why you post in this thread. First you referred to incest as a "fad". Suggesting that it is something that has existed for a short period of time and soon will pass. And nothing could be further from the truth given it has existed for centuries. Second you reject the added aspect of unconditional love to incest. As if this is not equal to love experienced by unrelated people in a romantic relationship. Third you assume that there aren't any sane reasonable people who would engage in incest. If there were/are any such people they are least likely to shout it to the world. So making such a declaration is erroneous.

I fear that your unfavorable opinion of incest impedes your objectivity.

Fads come and go Virgin. Just like the "fashionability" of incest does. So yes it comes into the lime light and fades away from it just the way something as equally disgusting like bestiality comes into "vogue". These two fetishes seem to come to the lime light whenever the dissatisfied of society need something sexual to cause shock and awe. Second, there is such a thing as unconditional love. I don't discount that at all. I simply discount that siblings or family can have unconditional romantic love. Unconditional love yes, but one should never desire romantic love from someone of your own bloodline. Thirdly I stand by my words earlier. If you fuck family you are not sane. Not in the least. Seek psychological assistance. You might not be the kind of crazy that makes you easy to detect, but you are insane. No sane human being fucks family. If you fuck a sibling or family member you need to put yourself into a rubber room.

I never claimed, I don't believe, that I was being objective. I am sharing a belief with the rest of the people here. I have no urge or desire to be objective in the arena of incest. I know I'm sane, I don't fuck family.

People try to cover their insanity by using terms like "Of mature age", "consenting", and any number of other terms. Face facts people, you fuck family, you're as nutty as a fruitcake and need to be in a mental ward.

 

[Swain]

What's right with it? You know that you are having sex with someone who truely loves you.

That's an invalid reason. You don't need love for sex. And as has been proved by generations of human society you don't need sex for there to be love. If it means I have to fuck people that don't love me that's fine. You won't ever find me so desperate for romantic sex with someone I "know" loves me that I would ever fuck family. What you say is simply a very weak attempt to justify insanity.

 

[VirginInEbony]

Swain

I never claimed, I don't believe, that I was being objective. I am sharing a belief with the rest of the people here. I have no urge or desire to be objective in the arena of incest. I know I'm sane, I don't fuck family.

People try to cover their insanity by using terms like "Of mature age", "consenting", and any number of other terms. Face facts people, you fuck family, you're as nutty as a fruitcake and need to be in a mental ward.

You just reiterated my point. If you have no interest in being objective on this subject then why bother arguing about it? Just to prove some since of your own superiority?

 

[KinkyRascal]

Live and Let Live

I normally detest these kinds of threads because they always degenerate into the same tit for tat (read "you're sick, I'm right, you're wrong, it's just taboo") kinds of arguments. All too predictable, mundane and, frankly ridiculous. If I want to watch animals chase their tails I just get my dogs started. They, frankly, don't know better and people should.

Personally I really don't understand why we're so hung up about the wildly (and widely) ranging sexual interests in human beings. Live and let live.

Everyone can set their own limits and should in order to be healthy, vital human beings. As long as someone isn't coerced, forced against their will (unless that's their thing, of course!), horribly maimed or killed who cares?

Personally my limits are much more than that. But I don't judge lest I be judged. As these kinds of threads always prove, there are plenty of folks in line more than ready to do so.

I do find it a shame that certain topics and images are "off limits" on a website that supposedly is a unique forum open to discussion and exchanges of ideas on the erotic. The limits established are extremely arbitrary and, IMHO, regrettable.

Especially with the country so equally divided between "red states" and "blue states" it seems a particularly ridiculous time to be succumbing to a supposed "wave" of conservative values with regard to sexual portrayals--particulary those that a purely imagined. Likely, however, such responses to perceived "requirements" will simply spawn other Internet communities with more open standards.

I do lament, however, that this site has, again IMHO, degenerated into an all too predictable, restricted and, therefore, quite boring site. I can't express how painful it is to link "quite boring" with "erotic." Just a damned, damned shame.

 

[S-Des]

Ok, since not one person has followed 3113's advice and explained "why" incest is a turn-on, I'm going to give it a shot. If you have siblings of the opposite sex (taking away homosexuality for a moment), there are times during your adolescence (when your hormones are raging) that you see your sister coming out of the bathroom in a towel or swimming in the pool or tanning in a bikini. These things can stay with some people and become part of their fantasy life (even if it's just a small part). You're curious about the female body and don't necessarily want to fuck, just want some kind of look at how it's different from yours.

I had some amazingly beautiful cousins, both my age and five to ten years older than me, who lived close. Seeing my older cousins (they were actually distant cousins) in various states of attractive attire during my teenage years was definitely part of my fantasy life (really, has anyone established how distant a cousin must be before it ceases to be wrong to think they're attractive?).

I had friends who had beautiful sisters and part of me always wished I could be in their shoes (since the hotties in question weren't actually my sister, I felt free to fantasize as much as I wanted to).

All these things make some incest stories very erotic to me. I am grossed out by father/daughter or mother/son stories, but am not going to take a cheap shot at anyone who likes them. Sibling stories and cousin (or aunt) stories have always been interesting to me. I don't picture any of my actual family when reading someone's story, it's more like my friends who had hot sisters. I imagine being them, therefore I don't feel any close relation to the woman (nor to a character in a fictional story).

To me it's the same thing as an NC story. Since it's not a real person, you don't feel like a sicko for reading it. The stories are obviously popular (among the most read on the site), so it defeats the argument that people are sick just because they enjoy the story (unless you're so deluded that you think everyone besides you is sick).

Personally, I think that people who get off on going to movies like Saw or Texas Chainsaw Massacre are far more likely to be sick than someone who likes a fantasy story. I'll trust someone who likes a story about a guy having sex with a relative before I trust someone who likes watching people get brutally murdered. Which of the two is more disturbed?

 

[sunandshadow]

Ok, since not one person has followed 3113's advice and explained "why" incest is a turn-on...

Please look again. Not that it really matters, I suppose, everyone else has been ignoring me this week too...

 

[BlackSnake]

i see you're continue to refuse to supply positive answers, blacksnake. you are also responding only to those bits of posts that agree w/ you.

o wait, you did supply one positive answer: b/c it's a guarantee of having sex w/ someone who loves you. if this is the absolute only reason why incest as a category makes sense, OK, but i find it telling that it's taken this long after repeated questions and it's all you've got: one lonely answer. which upon further reflection is bogus: as you say yourself, if you're the author, you control the circumstances.

it actually sounds to me like you're rationalizing the act of incest, not incest as a lit category.

ed

Sounds to me like you are looking to clash. I asked what's wrong with it, and you wanted to flipped the script by asking what's right with it, and I answered that you know that the person you are having sex with truly loves you. What's so bogus about that? Speaking of what things sound like, it sounds to me like you are looking for a fight. Let's just stay within the context of the discussion, shall we?

 

[BlackSnake]

That's an invalid reason. You don't need love for sex. And as has been proved by generations of human society you don't need sex for there to be love. If it means I have to fuck people that don't love me that's fine. You won't ever find me so desperate for romantic sex with someone I "know" loves me that I would ever fuck family. What you say is simply a very weak attempt to justify insanity.

That reason is just as good as any for incest. It's not a good justification, but one reason is just as good as any.

When I begin to right, the first question I ask myself is what is going to make this woman sleep with her son? What ever the reason is I have to sell it. It make little difference how weak it is, I have to try to make it interesting. Dirty bastard sneaking into his mother's room at night and finger fucking her while she sleeps.

I'm not trying to justify it, just tell it in the most realistic way possible. Readers have to believe the characters. I don't do scenes where the mother all of a sudden strips off her clothes and scream "Come fuck mommy!"

 

[BlackSnake]

I normally detest these kinds of threads because they always degenerate into the same tit for tat (read "you're sick, I'm right, you're wrong, it's just taboo") kinds of arguments. All too predictable, mundane and, frankly ridiculous. If I want to watch animals chase their tails I just get my dogs started. They, frankly, don't know better and people should.

Personally I really don't understand why we're so hung up about the wildly (and widely) ranging sexual interests in human beings. Live and let live.

Everyone can set their own limits and should in order to be healthy, vital human beings. As long as someone isn't coerced, forced against their will (unless that's their thing, of course!), horribly maimed or killed who cares?

Personally my limits are much more than that. But I don't judge lest I be judged. As these kinds of threads always prove, there are plenty of folks in line more than ready to do so.

I do find it a shame that certain topics and images are "off limits" on a website that supposedly is a unique forum open to discussion and exchanges of ideas on the erotic. The limits established are extremely arbitrary and, IMHO, regrettable.

Especially with the country so equally divided between "red states" and "blue states" it seems a particularly ridiculous time to be succumbing to a supposed "wave" of conservative values with regard to sexual portrayals--particulary those that a purely imagined. Likely, however, such responses to perceived "requirements" will simply spawn other Internet communities with more open standards.

I do lament, however, that this site has, again IMHO, degenerated into an all too predictable, restricted and, therefore, quite boring site. I can't express how painful it is to link "quite boring" with "erotic." Just a damned, damned shame.

You know you sound like a teacher trying to break up a mud fight on the playground. One, children like playing in the mud, and two, you're going to get all muddy yourself. Once the water hoses come out and the children are all cleaned off, then we can start all over again with who started it.

You gonna have to listen to everyone's opinion to find the really good stuff (not much truth, but something close to it).