What is it with Incest?

[BlackSnake]

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that said: you neither deny that the vast majority of situations in which the topic of incest arises that it relates to the rape of children, nor that the associations of incest on the survivors of childhood incest are extraordinarily painful. i find that...interesting.

ed

I didn't deny it, because sexual act with children is harmful to the child.

Holy fuck, well let's just discount everything but the point you're trying to make already. You've discounted every answer everyone's given you except for the ones that agree with you.

I'm only discounting anything involving children, because it's not what I'm talking about. I'm only referring to consenting adults.

blacksnake: which is OK if you accept the notion that all taboos are bad. i do not. at some point, everyone reconciles themselves to the notion that some taboos they can accept as valid while others, not so much. for the vast majority of people, some things will never be acceptable and incest, even in a non-minor circumstance, will continue to be one and frankly, i take absolutely zero shame in saying that this one remains in force for me.

i won't try to dress it up in the ill-fitting clothes of judeo-christian BS, b/c this prohibition operates on such a fundamental level that other primates (example: gorillas) respect it.

I've already said that is was not socially acceptable, but that doesn't answer the question: What's wrong with incest?

Son asks mom to have sex with her, she says okay, but don't let your brother know because I don't want him complaining that I treat you better than him.

 

[lexium]

What is wrong with incest is that it is banded to some degree just about everywhere. You have to keep it hidden. You are in constant fear of getting caught. You may almost never have friends in your home. You are a criminal that has not yet been caught, which makes you feel like a fugitive. You constantly have to be careful how much affection you show in public.

Society is what's wrong with incest hon.

 

[silverwhisper]

i've already responded, several times. you aren't giving me any positive reasons and i refuse to respond further until you do.

ed

 

[Oblimo]

Society is what's wrong with incest hon.

And incest is a crime for some very good reasons.

However, incest fantasy is not a crime. I do not see anything wrong with incest fantasy, even if it does not turn me on. (I myself am affected by erotica between younger men and older women thanks to some personal history with a babysitter.)

In discussions like this it's important to separate what fantasies turn you on and what real-life practices you advocate.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

You need to make the differentiation between ACTUAL incest...

and the FANTASY of incest...

I think it's an important one.

 

[Oblimo]

You need to make the differentiation between ACTUAL incest...

and the FANTASY of incest...

I think it's an important one.

Yep. Just ask Freud: Actual incest is an aberrant, unhealthy behavior, but the fantasy of incest is the cornerstone of all human thought and action.

 

[pinkstarfish]

I don't get why so many of you are interested in an incest story. Are you guys from fucking Arkansas. Incest is fucked up! What ever possesses anyone to get their jollies off with their brother, sister, mother, ect. is just wrong. Please explain the allure of it to me.

To answer your question, it’s a very hot yet taboo fantasy.

Taboos can be huge turn ons for people to think about.

It’s also a fetish, and a perversion that has been horrifically abused in reality, quite sadly.

People who were sexually abused may use it as fantasy material now. However, some victims may also become abusers without professional counseling.

I believe as long as the fantasy is carried out in a mind frame that has healthy emotional and physical boundaries, then it’s really nobody’s business why it’s a turn on for them, it just is.

I happen to be one of those people who were actuially abused, but turned it into a fantasy as an adult, after time and counseling.

 

[loveroleplay]

To be quick:
A fantasy about it is very different from the real world. I would certainly would not fuck my older sisters, but beeing able to be another person have him do it to his sister get's me in some way aroused.

 

[BlackSnake]

To be quick:
A fantasy about it is very different from the real world. I would certainly would not fuck my older sisters, but beeing able to be another person have him do it to his sister get's me in some way aroused.

This is the reason I prefer 3rd person stories. I don't want to think of myself as involved unless I'm the extra.

 

[Pencoch2]

The act of incest has been recorded from time immemorial, it is mentioned in the Bible among other ancient writings, Oedipus any one? Pharoahs commonly married their siblings, as did Roman emperors.

I have known of quite a few brothers and sisters experimenting as kids, that some of them may have continued in adult life I have no idea but if so it does not bother me.

I have brothers, a sister and can honestly say that the only feelings I have for them is of unquestioning love and support, no thoughts at all of a physical/sexual relationship.

It is legal for cousins to marry in the U.K. and contrary to myth they do not have a higher incidence of abnormality in child births. I believe that myth sprang up from the same minds that outlawed Darwin's theories.

All of these myths and laws introduced to isolate incest from the mainstream of acceptable behaviour has inturn made it one of the taboos that we fantasise about breaking. Similarly how many regarded some of our historic bandits with a touch of envy and wistfulness? The human race have people who like to tread on the wild side but have a hell of a lot more who dream of doing so.

 

[Oblimo]

The act of incest has been recorded from time immemorial, it is mentioned in the Bible

Lot's daughters get him drunk and date-rape him.

Oedipus any one?

Oedipus abandons his kingdom when he is told of the prophecy that he will murder his father and bed his mother; no one ever gets to tell him he was adopted. When he finds out he fled his home only to kill his biological father and have children with his biological mother who live next door, he stabs out both his eyes with copper pins.

In other words, Oedipus is not best poster boy for promoting incest as something healthy.

It is legal for cousins to marry in the U.K. and contrary to myth they do not have a higher incidence of abnormality in child births. I believe that myth sprang up from the same minds that outlawed Darwin's theories.

Tell that to the Hapsburgs.

All of these myths and laws introduced to isolate incest from the mainstream of acceptable behaviour has inturn made it one of the taboos that we fantasise about breaking.

You have to ask yourself: Why were they outlawed and made taboo in the first place?

 

[BlackSnake]

You need to make the differentiation between ACTUAL incest...

and the FANTASY of incest...

I think it's an important one.

Why? We only do fiction here. I don't even have the fantasy, but I write it most of the time.

What is important is that we stay focus in the context of Lit. There is no need to even mention minors, because it is not acceptable here. That is why I discount anything with the reference to minors.

The sister is over 18 and so is the brother. They want to fuck, just because. What's wrong with it?

Son is grown and is interested in giving old mom the high hard one, and she is hot and ready. What's wrong with it?

Daughter has an itch that she wants her dad to scratch with his one-eyed snake, and dad is all fired up about it. What's wrong with it?

I only asked what is wrong with it? I read a couple of good replies, but nothing saying what was wrong with it. I even read a few things that could be right with it.

 

[BlackSnake]

Lot's daughters get him drunk and date-rape him.

Oedipus abandons his kingdom when he is told of the prophecy that he will murder his father and bed his mother; no one ever gets to tell him he was adopted. When he finds out he fled his home only to kill his biological father and have children with his biological mother who live next door, he stabs out both his eyes with copper pins.

In other words, Oedipus is not best poster boy for promoting incest as something healthy.

Tell that to the Hapsburgs.

You have to ask yourself: Why were they outlawed and made taboo in the first place?

All this, but you did not say what is wrong with incest.

 

[BellaStone]

Incest is what you make of it, in the end - like anything else in this world. And while I do not condone it that's part of the culture I was raised in and the larger group of thought I share in this particular culture.

Knowing that there is merely perspective to all things (right and wrong are merely perspectives, after all). So even taboos must be regarded with some level of distancing if you want to better understand the appeal. This is not always 'easy' or something I take to heart well myself but objectiveness in my field is required so, it's something applicable and can be done...

...just with kid gloves and the notion that you won't ever get a solid answer to the question 'why'... unless you go for the obvious:

I fancy that making things so complex is just so damn human of us...

Heh. That's just my two cents, though.

 

[Oblimo]

All this, but you did not say what is wrong with incest.

Because "wrong" isn't the right word; it implies judgment, and I'm not one to pass judgment on anybody or anything in this context.

A word I am more comfortable with is dangerous. Incestuous couples, for example, risk the danger of inbreeding; it's no myth. The inherently skewed power dynamic of incest makes incestuous relationships prone to abuse and the causing of suffering; this is well documented.

Whether culture informs such psychological factors or whether there is such a thing as a healthy, incestuous relationship (meaning a relationship that is not prone to abuse or suffering) is a question I am not equipped to answer, and whether incest is right or wrong is a judgmental opinion that I, as a writer of freakish smut, have no business foisting upon others.

And, again, this only applies to the actual practice of incest. I can see nothing dangerous in enjoying incest fantasies or erotica other than those dangers common to all fantasies.

 

[bisexplicit]

1) I posted a thread bitching about this already.
2) This is the story ideas board, not the bitch about incest board.
3) Real life incest = gross, breaking taboos in fantasy/roleplaying = sexy.

 

[Oblimo]

2) This is the story ideas board, not the bitch about incest board.

"But the title -- Erotic Awakenings of Oedipus -- is way too art-housey. We need a good porn name...How about Motherfucker?"

"That gives the ending away."

--Dream On, Eat A Pus Rex

 

[3113]

Why not just answer the question?

I find the route of this discussion interesting. Okay, look, the original post asks: WHY are so many people fascinated and aroused by incest fantasies?

Intead of answering this question, you folk tend to say one of two things:
1) We like it, don't judge us.
2) Prove it's wrong!

This avoids the original question. Now part of the blame for this lies in how the original questioner worded his question. Nevertheless, the more defensive and elusive your answers, the more guilty you make it all sound.

If you really feel there's nothing wrong with incest, or, at least, with incest fantasies...then why not EXPLAIN the allure so that the poster and others reading this thread can understand and maybe stop being disturbed by such fantasies and stories?

I mean, come on guys! This is your chance! HERE IT IS! Instead of weaving and dodging and getting all defensive ("What's wrong with it? huh? huh? huh?"), why not answer the fucking question and maybe change someone's mind? Why not engage in a conversation?

Think about it. Why do you like it so much? Why are incest ideas the number one type of idea posted here in the idea section? I really want to know the anwer to that question. And I'm passing no judgements on it being right or wrong. I'm just curious as to why incest fantasies outnumber all others in this section.

Can you, without getting defensive, answer that question?

 

[sunandshadow]

If you really feel there's nothing wrong with incest, or, at least, with incest fantasies...then why not EXPLAIN the allure so that the poster and others reading this thread can understand and maybe stop being disturbed by such fantasies and stories?

I tried.

Maybe my position wasn't clear, so I'll clarify: I have no objection to incest between consenting adults, in fantasy or reality.

People pay a lot of attention to their relatives, either because they are around all the time, or aren't around when they should be. Because the relative might be the first people they see naked, or someone whose body is mysterious because they've never seen it even though they've lived together for years. Because they feel that the relative loves them unconditionally, or because they are desperate to earn the relative's missing approval and love. Because they regard their relative as a hero, a poor soul who needs to be protected, or a brat who needs to be knocked down a few pegs. Because a feeling of brotherhood/sisterhood plus a feeling of lust add up to passionate love. Because it is familiar and forbidden, easy and risky.

I believe that's a fairly complete list of all the reasons I've seen characters give for their attraction to their relatives in various stories, some fictional and other not so.

 

[VirginInEbony]

I find the route of this discussion interesting. Okay, look, the original post asks: WHY are so many people fascinated and aroused by incest fantasies?

Intead of answering this question, you folk tend to say one of two things:
1) We like it, don't judge us.
2) Prove it's wrong!

This avoids the original question. Now part of the blame for this lies in how the original questioner worded his question. Nevertheless, the more defensive and elusive your answers, the more guilty you make it all sound.

If you really feel there's nothing wrong with incest, or, at least, with incest fantasies...then why not EXPLAIN the allure so that the poster and others reading this thread can understand and maybe stop being disturbed by such fantasies and stories?

I mean, come on guys! This is your chance! HERE IT IS! Instead of weaving and dodging and getting all defensive ("What's wrong with it? huh? huh? huh?"), why not answer the fucking question and maybe change someone's mind? Why not engage in a conversation?

Think about it. Why do you like it so much? Why are incest ideas the number one type of idea posted here in the idea section? I really want to know the anwer to that question. And I'm passing no judgements on it being right or wrong. I'm just curious as to why incest fantasies outnumber all others in this section.

Can you, without getting defensive, answer that question?

Maybe the ultimate point is that it can't be explained. Perhaps this is just me but I am aroused by many things that I can't in detail state why. Isn't sexual arousal just primal instinct anyway. We all like what we like. As long as no laws are being broken why should anyone be questioned or criticized?

 

[BlackSnake]

Because "wrong" isn't the right word; it implies judgment, and I'm not one to pass judgment on anybody or anything in this context.

A word I am more comfortable with is dangerous. Incestuous couples, for example, risk the danger of inbreeding; it's no myth. The inherently skewed power dynamic of incest makes incestuous relationships prone to abuse and the causing of suffering; this is well documented.

Whether culture informs such psychological factors or whether there is such a thing as a healthy, incestuous relationship (meaning a relationship that is not prone to abuse or suffering) is a question I am not equipped to answer, and whether incest is right or wrong is a judgmental opinion that I, as a writer of freakish smut, have no business foisting upon others.

And, again, this only applies to the actual practice of incest. I can see nothing dangerous in enjoying incest fantasies or erotica other than those dangers common to all fantasies.

Great answer.

"Boy! Don't you be looking a me like that! I'll slap the taste out of your mouth."

"Like how mom?"

"Like you want to fuck me, that how!"

"Oh, sorry mom."

"You better get your eyes checked before I knock them out of your head!"

 

[BlackSnake]

I find the route of this discussion interesting. Okay, look, the original post asks: WHY are so many people fascinated and aroused by incest fantasies?

Intead of answering this question, you folk tend to say one of two things:
1) We like it, don't judge us.
2) Prove it's wrong!

This avoids the original question. Now part of the blame for this lies in how the original questioner worded his question. Nevertheless, the more defensive and elusive your answers, the more guilty you make it all sound.

If you really feel there's nothing wrong with incest, or, at least, with incest fantasies...then why not EXPLAIN the allure so that the poster and others reading this thread can understand and maybe stop being disturbed by such fantasies and stories?

I mean, come on guys! This is your chance! HERE IT IS! Instead of weaving and dodging and getting all defensive ("What's wrong with it? huh? huh? huh?"), why not answer the fucking question and maybe change someone's mind? Why not engage in a conversation?

Think about it. Why do you like it so much? Why are incest ideas the number one type of idea posted here in the idea section? I really want to know the anwer to that question. And I'm passing no judgements on it being right or wrong. I'm just curious as to why incest fantasies outnumber all others in this section.

Can you, without getting defensive, answer that question?

I can only say as to why I like writing incest more than any other category. Most of my are mother-son.

1. She is the first fantasy babe.
2. He finds himself remembering the shape of her boobs and nipples under her housecoat, while she made breakfast.
3. Mother-son tend to be strong than Father-son
4. It is forbidden by law and by society in general; they risk going to jail
5. It is the top of the list of undoables (Thou shall not fuck thou mothers)

 

[SexyAndGrown]

Sorry Folks ....Came Across This Tread By Accident......

Without Question......This Subject "IS" The Most Fucked Up Subject Matter That I think A Human Being .... And I Do Emphasize "Human Being" ...Not Beast ...
I Can't Even Remotely Contemplate It ..... P.E.R.I.O.D. ........

I might Add.... I'm a pretty Liberal Thinking Individual....With a fair amount of Intelligence...... Incest Is Beyond Comprehension To Me.....

Sure It Happens...... Along with Eating Fellow Humans....Sticking your Cock In a Dog, Horse, Goat or Mounting a Cow...... As Well As Shoving a Boa Constrictor Up Your Vagina for Stimuation....

Human Beings Are Capable of Any And All !!!!!!

Fucking your Mother... Father...Sister...Brother ????.... Come On !!!!! REALLY !!!!!! Very Sick..... Some of you may joke about it....Lust For it...Whatever......
I Have Two Daughters Of MY Own.... A Mother... A Brother...A Sister ....Etc...
The incomprehensible Damage Of The ACT IN Question.....The Demented Warpness of the Perpetrator Who Birthed This Kind Of Lust ......
the act itself and the aftermath of emotional damage left behind.... Is Repulsive to me......

Believe Me.... I´m grateful for Literatica to Create this Forum for All Of US to be able to Express Our Desires and Fantasies..... In A Perfect World... I´d be the First To Tip My Hat and Say " Whatever Floats Your Boat" .....

But Do To This Perverse Subject Matter in My Opinion..... " I Do Not ...Nor Will I Grant Myself The Luxury Of Any Hat Tipping Here" .......

If Anyone In My Family Even Remotely Sexually Touched MY Daughters.....My Self Included.......He or She Should Be Simply Taken Out Back And Shot ....Without Trial Or Jury for the Sick Fuck That He or She Is............ P.E.R.I.O.D. !

 

[bisexplicit]

Can you, without getting defensive, answer that question?

For me, there is absolutely zero interest in real life. I enjoy roleplaying it because of the taboo aspect, I believe. Most of my sexual interests involve things that I consider "wrong." It's that simple.

Why it matters, though? I have no idea.

 

[3113]

Because it is familiar and forbidden, easy and risky.

Okay, that's fair enough. And that seems to be the repeated answer here, that it's a combination of what's most comfortable with what's most untouchable.