What is your definition of "bisexual"?

[Etoile]

This thread really brings out the worst in people.

 

[CandiCame]

This thread really brings out the worst in people.

The irrelevant worst, too.

It became a "fuck men; and chicks who like them," thing... and then we all got really defensive. There was/is no reason for that. I didn't know it then, but I can see it now.

 

[girlsmiley]

Gonna preface this by saying that I am a little (a lot) drunk and just got back from a wicked drag/show party. Turned on the comp to watch TV and figured I'd see what was happening over at good old Lit.

OK, I'm REALLY sorry I ever tried to befriend- whoever, butterfly chick or rose chick. I really thought that she might know something I didn't, turns out that we were both confusing language; particularly the word, "polyamorous" I thought "pansexual" meant poly and she thought "bisexual" meant poly. We were both wrong; I owned up to it.

I sent her a PM about that, then another saying that I was sorry for being stupid, after she had called me stupid. Then I saw her post asking me to stop after I had gotten back from work, so I did. Earlier today, I got a message from a very sad strait man saying that- I think butterfly chicky, told him that I was a hot chick who liked to pm guys. I explained to him that it wasn't the case and apologized for his trouble, but we wound up talking and he's actually a cool guy.

I'm really sorry for feeding the trolls on a serious forum, I just honestly thought it was funnier then distracting, and I think I may have been wrong about it. In my defense, I didn't know that they were trolls when I started, I thought that they, particularly... whoever it was I pmed, might have been misunderstood. I have since seen the error of my ways, and should NOT egg her on in a serious forum for my own personal amusement. I am really sorry about that.

If this post makes little sense, I'm sorry and will try again tomorrow after I sober up. Just in case anyone's actually trembling in their boots over the whole, "cyber-stalking" thing, just wanted to say that you totally don't have to fear me/I would be really easy to take down.

I'm still a little insulted that she/they seem to think that all of us bisexuals are whores- because we aren't. We are just as capable of being in a monogamous relationship with either sex, as per my previous posts. I totally didn't mean to hyjack your thread- it's my first experience with a troll, and I tried to handle it the way I do people who dislike me in RL, but trying to find out why and befriend them, then- once I've come to the conclusion that someone doesn't like me for no reason- well, you don't get to dislike me for no reason, you get to hate me with good reason.

BUT it's the internet, not real life. And it's more anonymous then RL, so she's going to be more direct and abusive then if she were actually in my face. Having said that, I'm still not putting her/them on ignore, because it's still funny to ME. I know this is the rout many people have taken, but this is not the forum to do it in.

Again, sorry-my first real experience with Trolls- outside of the treasure kind. Don't wanna become a troll myself. But now that I've been bitten, I'm kinda scared- please someone help me back to the light!


One more thing about bisexuality; I am hella confused, but more socially then what I feel inside. I have a lot of questions about orientation- I don't know how my boyfriend is explaining me to his god, for instance (he's EXTREMELY religious) but I do know that I like him. I know that I loved the last girl I dated, who dumped my ass (she said the long distance thing was killing us, and it really was, we were growing apart). I know that I can fall in love and the gender of the person isn't their master status. That, I think, is what makes me bisexual.

Now I'm gonna try and explain that to my man, but he isn't going to want to listen to it. In his mind, for whatever reason, I'm a chick with the wrong parts. But I'm not. I do ok as a guy- I just have a lot of lady tendencies- gender-wise I think I'm somewhere in the middle, and I think that our society, not my mind, has labeled my traits as "masculine" or "feminine". I'm more complex then that; and so are a lot of people.

OK, sorry about the long post; little drunk. Little to honest maybe. I'll check back once I sober up. I've got a hot guy asleep next to me and I think I'm gonna watch Colbert- he just turned me onto it. Colbert reminds me of Oftenson (sp) from DethKlock- if they ever make a live-action movie of DethKlok, he has to play Often(ofden?)sen!

Y'know... It's such a shame that the drunks over there STILL
don't know how to apologise and point out the fact that they've done ANYTHING wrong.

 

[girlsmiley]

To prove her a Troll she kept posting this on the GB in threads Candicame was posting in.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=38304731&postcount=8




She is a hater. Gives Lesbians a bad name, actually gives the human race a bad name. Her and the other bitch remind me of the rabid supremest groups you see spouting hate on talk shows. Both are Jerry Springer material. Their hatred is unreasonable behavior. They give lame excuses for it the same as other bigots. The way they spout their lesbianism is making me doubt them. It is similar to a guy who shouts he is hetero. I'm thinking they maybe dudes getting their rocks off since we saw no pics. But of course they just be hiding their unattractiveness. Ever see how often they spout how everybody is trying to "get with them"? So haters and delusional. Just one step away from a state hospital.

Yes, yes. We've heard it all before. Man-hating cunt lol
We get it, champ.

 

[girlsmiley]

This site makes me feel really naive.

She WAS right about the cowbell thing, though.

edit: Is there a way to get the computer to put that little line over the repeating 9 at the end?

Imma shake your hand, champion.

Because you talked about how hard it is living in your current predicament.
Peace, brother. Any man -- in my eyes, who works hard and listens to their elders deserves some CRED.

Good luck, mate.

 

[CandiCame]

Imma shake your hand, champion.

Because you talked about how hard it is living in your current predicament.
Peace, brother. Any man -- in my eyes, who works hard and listens to their elders deserves some CRED.

Good luck, mate.

umm.....

k?



*stares at hand*

So... what just happened?

 

[Safe_Bet]

umm.....

k?



*stares at hand*

So... what just happened?

It would appear that she has decided to call bygones bygones. That is in spite of you never having apologized and In spite of you telling all kinds of "fibs".

'Course, she's just a man hating troll like you and your frat buddies accused her of being. It couldn't be that she's a living, breathing, caring person that chose to forgive you in spite of everything now could it.

BTW, it sure as fuck shows who the better person is now doesn't???

 

[I_LIKE_PEAS]

It would appear that she has decided to call bygones bygones. That is in spite of you never having apologized and In spite of you telling all kinds of "fibs".

'Course, she's just a man hating troll like you and your frat buddies accused her of being. It couldn't be that she's a living, breathing, caring person that chose to forgive you in spite of everything now could it.

BTW, it sure as fuck shows who the better person is now doesn't???

passive/aggressive just another mental health issue

 

[girlsmiley]

It would appear that she has decided to call bygones bygones. That is in spite of you never having apologized and In spite of you telling all kinds of "fibs".

'Course, she's just a man hating troll like you and your frat buddies accused her of being. It couldn't be that she's a living, breathing, caring person that chose to forgive you in spite of everything now could it.

BTW, it sure as fuck shows who the better person is now doesn't???

I will drag you away by the neck chops.

Amy, I you

Don't make me come over there.

 

[girlsmiley]

thassa dude, bro.

passive/aggressive just another mental health issue

http://is100.imagesocket.com/images/2011/08/11/2325871-6xr3.jpg

Couldn't find a chic flic?

Hehehhehee.

 

[girlsmiley]

I just wanna POKE DEM\

Why? Cos I just do. Younggggg
hEARTLESSSSSSSSS
fucktarded
SLEEPY n00bs.









And what?





We all have our own preference?

 

[Spacefender]

passive/aggressive just another mental health issue

http://is100.imagesocket.com/images/2011/08/11/2325871-6xr3.jpg

No shit. Why, if we all just bow down and kiss Tweedledumb & Tweedledumber's ass they just might forgive us.

Of course, neither of them have anything to apologize for.

Un-fucking-believable, the ego on these two cunts.

 

[CandiCame]

It would appear that she has decided to call bygones bygones. That is in spite of you never having apologized and In spite of you telling all kinds of "fibs".

'Course, she's just a man hating troll like you and your frat buddies accused her of being. It couldn't be that she's a living, breathing, caring person that chose to forgive you in spite of everything now could it.

BTW, it sure as fuck shows who the better person is now doesn't???

um.... k...

You guys are weird...

I don't want forgiveness. Forgiveness implies I did something wrong.

 

[PricelessT]

As I stated in another thread months ago, there are some women who label themselves "lesbian" even though they occasionally have sex with men, and I don't have a problem with those women and respect their label of "lesbian." These articles talk about this and lesbians who hate, dislike or disapprove of bisexual women in some way: Why do lesbians hate bisexuals? and A Worried Bisexual Lesbian. I don't have a problem with bisexual women, but, like others, I'm just not inclined to date one...unless they clearly prefer women. Too many lipstick bisexuals (and lipstick lesbians are my type; I'm a lipstick lesbian as well) turn out to have a strong romantic/sexual preference for men. When a person has a strong sexual preference for one sex over the other, I have difficulty defining that as "bisexual." This is why I don't mind women who identify as lesbian...even while not completely shutting out the possibility of having sex with a man. I don't mind because the reason most lesbians like this don't identify as "bisexual" is because they feel it would be far more misleading -- false advertisement -- when they really have no true desire to be with men sexually. The thought of men doesn't get them sexually excited. It's women. Or it's women that is their primary turn-on, like that latter link. So saying "I'm bi" when you're not looking for a man and really couldn't care less if you find one seems disingenuous. It signals to men that "Hey, you have a shot with me," when more often than not, they don't. Why adopt a label which advertises to the portion of the population you don't prefer? It's just that some of these women don't mind having sex with men if horny enough. Some desire penetration, plain and simple, and don't see having sex with a man purely for his cock as any different than being penetrated by a dildo by a woman. It's like hating broccoli, and only eating it because you're hungry.

Plenty of gay men have stated that they got a little sexual pleasure from having sex with their girlfriends or wives before coming out as gay. Some were able to go some place in their head -- imagine a man -- during the act. Others just focused on the pleasure that was being applied to their penis.

Just like people can have sex with a dildo or blow-up doll, or other non-human object and not be truly sexually attracted to those objects, I feel the same can be applied to becoming sexually intimate with the sex you do not favor. It's just a sexual outlet for some people.

Further, enough people dispute bisexuality. One argument is that you have to be equally sexually attracted to both sexes, because if you prefer one over the other, that cannot be bisexuality. In the same way that a person cannot be biracial unless they are half and half. And a bicycle would not be a bicycle, but rather a unicycle or tricycle. It's because of this that the other argument is that no one is 100% heterosexual or homosexual. If you go by the Kinsey scale, then 100% heterosexuality or homosexuality is extremely rare.

 

[Safe_Bet]

If you go by the Kinsey scale, then 100% heterosexuality or homosexuality is extremely rare.

Ummm, no.

You are making the erroneous assumption (IMO at least) that the Kinsey scale is linear. It's not. The vast majority of people are heteros who don't want to know dick/pussy no way, no how, ever! That is their right.

Then there are the 5 - 8 percent of OS who are the exact opposite. Pans and Bi's fill in the rest. While there might be some argument which is the bigger community between the bi/pans and the truly gays, they are still totally less than 20% of the population.

Secondly, you can redefine definitions for yourself all you like, but that doesn't change them for the rest of us. I can "tell" everyone I'm a lesbian but that don't make it so if I'm willing to suck a dick just cuz I'm horny. That would make me a bisexual until I made a commitment, at least to myself, that I wouldn't "settle" just because. Using your example is like saying rape is okay because occasionally a woman might orgasm during it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There have been a bunch of new words added lately. I think two really useful ones are "heteroflexible" and "homoflexible."

Those are the straight men who will stick their dick in another guy's mouth and not feel any impact on their straightness. Women who might kiss a girl, or feel her up.

Lesbians and gay men who will end up in bed with the opposite sex once in a while, for reasons usually voiced as "well, what the hell."

I call myself bisexual because there are some men whom I find very sexy and attractive. They are not "better than nothing." They are men whom I would actively pursue. Not many, but they are out there...

But yeah, I tend to only define myself as bisexual in the company of other women, and only so they know. I'm not interested in letting men in general think I might be available.

 

[Safe_Bet]

But yeah, I tend to only define myself as bisexual in the company of other women, and only so they know. I'm not interested in letting men in general think I might be available.

And see, I'm fine with all that.

If you hang with a bunch of us "get the fuck away from me, dude" lesbians cuz you like us AND cuz it makes sure the dicked ones understand where you are coming from that's ALL good. Even if you hook up with some dyke that knows you're bi it's cool.

The think is you AREN'T presenting yourself as a lesbian, cuz you're not, and you didn't take away somebody's CHOICE. To do otherwise is a form of rape, IMO, because you set them up to do something they maybe wouldn't have if they'd known.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And see, I'm fine with all that.

If you hang with a bunch of us "get the fuck away from me, dude" lesbians cuz you like us AND cuz it makes sure the dicked ones understand where you are coming from that's ALL good. Even if you hook up with some dyke that knows you're bi it's cool.

The think is you AREN'T presenting yourself as a lesbian, cuz you're not, and you didn't take away somebody's CHOICE. To do otherwise is a form of rape, IMO, because you set them up to do something they maybe wouldn't have if they'd known.

Indeed.

And you know-- I did that once. I have firsthand knowledge of how uncool it is, how hurtful that kind of deceit can be.

 

[PricelessT]

Finally, a debate with the great know-it-all Safe Bet.

Ummm, no.

You are making the erroneous assumption (IMO at least) that the Kinsey scale is linear. It's not. The vast majority of people are heteros who don't want to know dick/pussy no way, no how, ever! That is their right.

Um, no, back at you. The Kinsey scale is everywhere for you to see, including here: Kinsey scale

It quite clearly reports that most people fall in the middle, and that exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual individuals are extremely rare. Hell, various scholars report the same thing of the Kinsey scale. I can certainly link to various books stating so. What can you link to, other than your own opinion? If it isn't clear, I often debate with sources backing my statements when it comes to things that have been extensively studied...like sexual orientation and identity.

Secondly, you can redefine definitions for yourself all you like, but that doesn't change them for the rest of us. I can "tell" everyone I'm a lesbian but that don't make it so if I'm willing to suck a dick just cuz I'm horny. That would make me a bisexual until I made a commitment, at least to myself, that I wouldn't "settle" just because. Using your example is like saying rape is okay because occasionally a woman might orgasm during it.

People define their sexuality how they want to. You can call a person bisexual all you want, but it doesn't mean most other people are going to agree with you. And there are plenty of lesbians (yes, lesbians if they want to call themselves such because they prefer women sexually) who don't agree with your definitions of things. The Why do lesbians hate bisexuals? article states, that a study published in Explaining Diversity in the Development of Same-Sex Sexuality Among Young Women by Lisa M. Diamond and Ritch C. Savin-Williams involved interviewing 100 women over two years. The scientists found that two thirds of the 34 women who identified as lesbian reported periodic attractions to men. I happen to have checked that study out years ago; this article is correct. Plenty of articles show that there is not one definition of bisexuality, and that not everyone prescribes to the simple dictionary definition. If you must, continue at Wikipedia with its Bisexuality article and then move on to the more reputable sources...such as Google Books and Google Scholar. Because you are in dire need of educating yourself on human sexuality, just as you were in dire need of educating yourself on just how many lesbian and bisexual-identified women love genital-genital tribadism. As the current thread on it here shows, you were wrong about that.

And I say you are wrong now.

Using rape is extremely tasteless, but that's how you debate, I've noticed. It's also extremely absurd. A more accurate example, if you had to take it to that level, is that people are not pedophiles unless they have a sexual preference for prepubescent children. Only that's not an absurd argument. It's actually true. If we were to go by your argument that "just a little" counts as "bi," then such an outline would apply to child molesters as well. "Just a little attraction to prepubescent children" would make someone a pedophile. But, as I'm certain you did not know, it does not. Most experts distinguish between child molesters and pedophiles. As seen here: Pedophilia#Prevalence and child molestation

In the same way that preference defines what is and what is not a pedophile, a lot of people, including some experts, feel that preference defines what is and what is not a lesbian or bisexual. You can, and of course will, continue to define "lesbian" how you want to, but many people do not define bisexuality that way. It makes loads of sense to me that a woman defines herself as lesbian when there is close to zero chance that she will have sex with a man and when it is highly unlikely that she will be sexually satisfied by a man.

Like I mentioned, there have been gay men who have openly admitted to getting sexual pleasure from women in one or all of the ways I stated in my previous post, before they came out as gay, and they have yet to go back to women. But should this make them bisexual? Should they identify as bisexual, even though it is not women they are looking for and women have close to zero chance of being with them? I think not.

Not everyone believes that people can be or are often 100% heterosexual or homosexual. You do, and that's you.

The think is you AREN'T presenting yourself as a lesbian, cuz you're not, and you didn't take away somebody's CHOICE. To do otherwise is a form of rape, IMO, because you set them up to do something they maybe wouldn't have if they'd known.

Another rape comparison? Disagree with it completely.

There have been a bunch of new words added lately. I think two really useful ones are "heteroflexible" and "homoflexible."

Those are the straight men who will stick their dick in another guy's mouth and not feel any impact on their straightness. Women who might kiss a girl, or feel her up.

Lesbians and gay men who will end up in bed with the opposite sex once in a while, for reasons usually voiced as "well, what the hell."

I call myself bisexual because there are some men whom I find very sexy and attractive. They are not "better than nothing." They are men whom I would actively pursue. Not many, but they are out there...

But yeah, I tend to only define myself as bisexual in the company of other women, and only so they know. I'm not interested in letting men in general think I might be available.

Exactly what I was talking about, Stella Omega. Thank you.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Nice intro to a civil discussion, PricelessT.

But I'm sorry to tell you, you STILL can't get in the pissing contest with my late wife that you so obviously desired. I'm Amy her spouse.

For that matter, you aren't going to get in a pissing contest with me, either. I read through your posts and I have seen where you tried to previously get me into an arguement by both insulting both myself and my late wife, but seeing as how you proved yourself to be such an arrogant attack bitch, I'm going to just put you on ignore.

Now as for your other stuff:

Nice try on the Kinsey scale explanation. Yes, I WILL acknowledge that the scale itself is linear, but I SURE AS HELL will not acknowledge that people fall on the scale in a linear fashion. Kinsey himself never alleged such a thing either.

As for definitions: Pffft. Read a dictionary.

Same goes for your biased articles. Additionally, one study of 100 chicks is hardly statiscally accurate nor is it proof of anything.

Lastly, I stated clearly that those were my opinions. That's what "IMO" means in case you're confused. Unlike you, I don't speak for anyone other than myself. I don't claim to be an all-knowing authority on things lesbian. You might consider doing the same cuz you ain't either, toots!

 

[PricelessT]

Nice intro to a civil discussion, PricelessT.

I felt it was only deserved for how uncivil I have seen you be to others, for no reason at all, really.

But I'm sorry to tell you, you STILL can't get in the pissing contest with my late wife that you so obviously desired. I'm Amy her spouse.

For that matter, you aren't going to get in a pissing contest with me, either. I read through you posts and I have seen where you tried to previously get me into an argument by both insulting both myself and my late wife, but seeing as how you proved yourself to be such an arrogant attack bitch, I'm going to just put you on ignore.

If you're not the original Safe Bet, I must say you sure argue like her. Both of you have attacked posters in pretty much the same way. And nowhere did I outright attack you, except for this thread. Saying you (or your late wife) are wrong, as I did before, is not a true attack.

Now as for your other stuff:

Nice try on the Kinsey scale explanation. Yes, I WILL acknowledge that the scale itself is linear, but I SURE AS HELL will not acknowledge that people fall on the scale in a linear fashion. Kinsey himself never alleged such a thing either.

As for definitions: Pffft. Read a dictionary.


Same goes for your biased articles. Additionally, one study of 100 chicks is hardly statiscally accurate nor is it proof of anything.

Lastly, I stated clearly that those were my opinions. That's what "IMO" means in case you're confused. Unlike you, I don't speak for anyone other than myself. I don't claim to be an all-knowing authority on things lesbian. You might consider doing the same cuz you ain't either, toots!

On to the other stuff indeed: There is no "nice try" on my part in regards to the Kinsey scale explanation. I proved you wrong fair and square. Accept it.

And as I stated, you need to read more than a dictionary. Very convenient to call sources and articles biased when they prove you wrong. The "100 chicks" study is proof that plenty of women who identify as lesbian have periodic attractions to men. I can provide various studies like that one. And you yourself have acknowledged these women. The difference is...you try to assign people a label and say that they are wrong if they disagree with your label. So don't make me laugh with that "Unlike you, I don't speak for anyone other than myself. " You do it all the time, as more than one poster here can attest to, and you have done it in this thread. You use "IMO" sometimes, but even then, you still try to pass off your opinion as gospel truth.

So go ahead and put me on "ignore." It will be much appreciated. Especially when people quote me, as they have done before, and you are forced to see what I stated.

And while I'm not the "all-knowing authority on things lesbian," even with my extensive knowledge on such things, I sure as hell have displayed more authority than you. Someone so limited in their knowledge of lesbian sexuality, that they (and their late wife) claimed that real lesbians don't do genital-genital tribbing. Someone who accused any poster stating their enjoyment of the act to be a man. I'm still laughing at that one. Most lesbians may not do scissoring, but many of them certainly do genital-genital tribbing, as attested to by various women in the most recent thread about it. A lot of lesbians just don't know the name of it.

You're someone who can't debate using sources to support your arguments and will rather only go on your own beliefs. I get it. And oh well.

 

[Spacefender]

Finally, a debate with the great know-it-all Safe Bet.

Using rape is extremely tasteless, but that's how you debate, I've noticed.

Tweedledumb doesn't actually debate. She just throws incendiary bombs at people she disagrees with and then expects everyone to treat her as if she is actually a reasonable and rational person when the fact is she's just a psychotic troll.

A sensible person will actually admit when they've been shown to be wrong. Don't expect that sort of behavior from Tweedledumber. Or indeed, any of the self-appointed Guardians of Lesbianism you will find here. Quoting Kinsey won't change their minds because in their minds the fact that they are "real lesbians" makes them much more of an expert than any researcher.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeah actually, being a real lesbian makes a lesbian much more like an expert than any researcher is.

Especially not Kinsey. My GHAWD he got so damn much wrong! He got a lot right, don't misunderstand me. But not when he was talking to women who did not trust men in the first place.

 

[Etoile]

Yeah actually, being a real lesbian makes a lesbian much more like an expert than any researcher is.

Especially not Kinsey. My GHAWD he got so damn much wrong! He got a lot right, don't misunderstand me. But not when he was talking to women who did not trust men in the first place.

What about...

*dramatic music*

Lesbian researchers?!

*insane cackling*

 

[CandiCame]

Is it really that common for lesbians not to trust men? I mean that it would be 2 z-scores, that it would be statistically significant enough to be considered a research variable? Gay men seem to trust women...

I honestly only know one "feminatzi" in real life, and that's all her- there are some painful things in her background that make dealing with men difficult, and she's undergoing treatment for it. But I've never actually heard a distrust of half the population so vehemently defended. It just... strikes me as odd. What is it about men in general that make us so easy to lump together?

You're putting me in the same boat with Newton, Einstein, Bush, and Hitler- it doesn't sound like a very fun boat... But men-folk, like women folk are all different- there's just so much variation I don't understand the generalizations. I mean, I can't do that with men or women. Maybe that's a part of bisexuality- gender isn't "master status" to me.

Hell, half the people on this board think/thought I was a lady- that's how much variation there is; that's how much the gender lines blur...