Which More Violent: Bible or Quran?

[TheWhiteBull]

Depends.

.45 makes a bigger hole
9mm has lower recoil and faster follow up shots and more magazine capacity

There's pros and cons to both. I prefer a 9mm coz of the recoil. I can control a 9mm handgun better. I can shoot a .45 but it's a lot harder and I'm not as accurate

Any particular reason you're asking?

Plus its cheaper.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I think you're just a little confused here. Yahweh is a local adaptation of Baal Hadad, the storm god version of Baal, a Phoenician (Canaanite) god who was in turn closely related to Mesopotamian deities. For instance one of the now oldest extant references to Yahweh include a mention of his wife Asherah, traditional wife of Baal and Phoenician version of Ishtar. Baal's father El, king of the gods, also got synergized in there somehow too; El Shaddai, El Jirah, El Adonai.

You're right, it was El - flawed recollection. I find it all fascinating. There's also some evidence of long distance trade between Sumer and China. That's so cool! Like jomon pottery from Japan in melenesia and Mexico. And how did sweet potatoes get from South America to Polynesia? And ... and .... screw politics, this is far more interesting

And don't forget Dilmun and Sumerian links to the establishment of pre-dynastic Egypt

 

[TheWhiteBull]

You're right, it was El - flawed recollection. I find it all fascinating. There's also some evidence of long distance trade between Sumer and China. That's so cool! Like jomon pottery from Japan in melenesia and Mexico. And how did sweet potatoes get from South America to Polynesia? And ... and .... screw politics, this is far more interesting

And don't forget Dilmun and Sumerian links to the establishment of pre-dynastic Egypt

Infinitely more fascinating but the whole sweet potato thing isn't an incredible mystery. More things than just that to link the Pacific to S. America. Interestingly enough, Indians in the New England/Eastern Canada region were already familiar with Europeans and sailing because the Basque had been fishing there for centuries.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Infinitely more fascinating but the whole sweet potato thing isn't an incredible mystery. More things than just that to link the Pacific to S. America. Interestingly enough, Indians in the New England/Eastern Canada region were already familiar with Europeans and sailing because the Basque had been fishing there for centuries.

Plus, it's fairly well-established that the Vikings got as far west as MN.

 

[DrDelirium]

This reminds me a bit of a girl I met once who told me, "I've studied all the religions- Christianity, Catholicism, Baptists and Congregationalism." Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all remakes of the same movie. Sure, the OT has lots of elements drawn from polytheistic precursors (and heck, so does Christianity), but all three have a serious case of monotheistic intolerance, and the latest edition (not counting the Mormons) is quite clear that all three are 'People of the Book.' I suspect that somewhere in the Arabian peninsula, buried deep beneath the sand, there is a really nasty Mesopotamian demon getting his jollies by sending visions to susceptible humans.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

And you did that by electing Trump. How does that work?

I swear to god, he is so delusional. He acts like we are saying that Christianity is better than Islam.

No, it's not. It's just that we're already in a mental battle over ideology with Christians. We fought to keep Creationism out of schools, to treat gay people with respect and understand that they cannot choose their sexuality, to not shame women for having an abortion... and we're still fighting over taxing churches, the Catholic Church covering for pedophiles, the Catholic Church teaching that birth control is bad (which causes the spread of HIV in the States and worldwide), and the list goes on and on.

The battle against Christianity is real. Whoever doesn't recognize it is just blinded by their tribalism.[/QUOTE]

 

[sr71plt]

And you did that by electing Trump. How does that work?

Right. They crack me up with their delusional charge.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Right. They crack me up with their delusional charge.

What delusional charge? Oh you must mean the one where you called me an ultra-right Trump supporter right?

 

[Boxlicker101]

And you did that by electing Trump. How does that work?

I swear to god, he is so delusional. He acts like we are saying that Christianity is better than Islam.

No, it's not. It's just that we're already in a mental battle over ideology with Christians. We fought to keep Creationism out of schools, to treat gay people with respect and understand that they cannot choose their sexuality, to not shame women for having an abortion... and we're still fighting over taxing churches, the Catholic Church covering for pedophiles, the Catholic Church teaching that birth control is bad (which causes the spread of HIV in the States and worldwide), and the list goes on and on.

The battle against Christianity is real. Whoever doesn't recognize it is just blinded by their tribalism.[/QUOTE]

I think it's more like "The battle of most organized religions against people" because they almost all push their own agendas. The only exception is the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[DrDelirium]

I think it's more like "The battle of most organized religions against people" because they almost all push their own agendas. The only exception is the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Pastafarianism pretty much is an agenda. More or less the same agenda as Satanism, but funnier. Okay, maybe not funnier- more light hearted.

 

[Comentarista82]

God in the old testament is psychotic

God isn't psychotic in the OT--just a lot more direct and instant with dealing with disobedience and he worked directly with man, starting with Abraham, although a far more notable example is Moses (God spoke to him face to face--Ex 33:11; Num 12:8). When the children of Israel rebelled in some way, like when they complained about not having food to eat, God provided but killed some because of their lust/gluttony (Num 11:21, 31-33 and cross-reference with Lange/Keil & Delitzch Commentaries +Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible) for not having some faith after seeing all the miracles in Egypt--and since He sent quail before. In Num 21:5-6, He punished Israel by sending poisonous serpents among them to bite them. What's the reaction from the venom? Extreme fever, inflammation and thirst--exactly the very thing they griped about (no water). So He punished them in a similar fashion to what they complained about.

The entire OT predicates itself on obedience to the letter of the law--do that and God blessed Israel and any others that obeyed physically; likewise He cursed Israel when it disobeyed (Deut 28). Why do this? The Old Covenant was strictly a physical promise and a physical agreement but with physical consequences that God enforced and all of it generally meant to halt additional disobedience (rebellious son-Deut 21:18-21). Why did God ask Israel to kill all the inhabitants of Canaan? Because only God has the power to resurrect and since God created life, only God has the authority to take it away (hence "thou shalt not kill"); the other reason was so they would not tempt Israel to worship other gods besides Him (Deut 8:19).

If anyone wants a perfect book to summarize all the other nation's gods and goddesses, get "The Cult of the Mother Goddess" from E.O. James from Barnes & Noble, ISBN: 9781566196000. You can use this book search engine here to find the cheapest price on it if you're so interested.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

God isn't psychotic in the OT--just a lot more direct and instant with dealing with disobedience and he worked directly with man, starting with Abraham, although a far more notable example is Moses (God spoke to him face to face--Ex 33:11; Num 12:8). When the children of Israel rebelled in some way, like when they complained about not having food to eat, God provided but killed some because of their lust/gluttony (Num 11:21, 31-33 and cross-reference with Lange/Keil & Delitzch Commentaries +Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible) for not having some faith after seeing all the miracles in Egypt--and since He sent quail before. In Num 21:5-6, He punished Israel by sending poisonous serpents among them to bite them. What's the reaction from the venom? Extreme fever, inflammation and thirst--exactly the very thing they griped about (no water). So He punished them in a similar fashion to what they complained about.

The entire OT predicates itself on obedience to the letter of the law--do that and God blessed Israel and any others that obeyed physically; likewise He cursed Israel when it disobeyed (Deut 28). Why do this? The Old Covenant was strictly a physical promise and a physical agreement but with physical consequences that God enforced and all of it generally meant to halt additional disobedience (rebellious son-Deut 21:18-21). Why did God ask Israel to kill all the inhabitants of Canaan? Because only God has the power to resurrect and since God created life, only God has the authority to take it away (hence "thou shalt not kill"); the other reason was so they would not tempt Israel to worship other gods besides Him (Deut 8:19).

If anyone wants a perfect book to summarize all the other nation's gods and goddesses, get "The Cult of the Mother Goddess" from E.O. James from Barnes & Noble, ISBN: 9781566196000. You can use this book search engine here to find the cheapest price on it if you're so interested.

God doesn't punish and he doesn't choose favorites

 

[Comentarista82]

God doesn't punish and he doesn't choose favorites

God doesn't punish? See Ezr 9:13; Jer 50:18; Jer 31:18; Job 16:12; and Ps 3:7 as just a few examples.

Actually He did, but only to begin things in the OT with Israel: Ex 19:5; Ps 135:4--but God himself stated it wasn't because they were the easiest to work with, so they were not considered 'the best.'

 

[TheWhiteBull]

God doesn't punish? See Ezr 9:13; Jer 50:18; Jer 31:18; Job 16:12; and Ps 3:7 as just a few examples.

Actually He did, but only to begin things in the OT with Israel: Ex 19:5; Ps 135:4--but God himself stated it wasn't because they were the easiest to work with, so they were not considered 'the best.'

Don't forget the New Testament! Romans 13:4, 2 Corinthians 10:6, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

 

[EternalFantasies]

A bunch of morons doing a "study", no more than my moronic experiences with the op.

1. The Bible, with a cover with Jesus on it, and calling it more violent than Islam, is ridiculous. The Old Testament maybe.

2. For the average shmo, the old testament is far more violent than the Quran yes.

3. The most violent consequences of being religious, is by far, far, very far, Islam.

Let's see if the op is capable of seeing that.



tsss... Promoting the picture of Jesus together with violence.... what an idiot.

 

[Comentarista82]

A bunch of morons doing a "study", no more than my moronic experiences with the op.

1. The Bible, with a cover with Jesus on it, and calling it more violent than Islam, is ridiculous. The Old Testament maybe.

2. For the average shmo, the old testament is far more violent than the Quran yes.

3. The most violent consequences of being religious, is by far, far, very far, Islam.

Let's see if the op is capable of seeing that.



tsss... Promoting the picture of Jesus together with violence.... what an idiot.

you might have your hands full if the op replies.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

A bunch of morons doing a "study", no more than my moronic experiences with the op.

1. The Bible, with a cover with Jesus on it, and calling it more violent than Islam, is ridiculous. The Old Testament maybe.

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/no-...pposite-and-heres-what-that-means/#gs.1PlqKng

2. For the average shmo, the old testament is far more violent than the Quran yes.

The average shmo doesnt factor into which one has more violent rhetoric.

3. The most violent consequences of being religious, is by far, far, very far, Islam.

Let's see if the op is capable of seeing that.

Poorly worded.

tsss... Promoting the picture of Jesus together with violence.... what an idiot.

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-jesus-quote-youll-never-hear-in-church/#gs.sl5L8LI

 

[TheWhiteBull]

you might have your hands full if the op replies.

I've been waiting for him to reply to me for several threads now.

 

[Comentarista82]

Don't forget the New Testament! Romans 13:4, 2 Corinthians 10:6, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

Since the poster limited his/her comment to the OT 1 post before that, I limited my replies to only OT references. However, great catch with those 3. Thanks!

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Since the poster limited his/her comment to the OT 1 post before that, I limited my replies to only OT references. However, great catch with those 3. Thanks!

Which is why I extended it to the NT, to demonstrate that it doesn't stop there. I mean, Jesus was all about not judging people, but only because that's God's job, and he'll totally fuck them up when he gets his hands on them.

 

[Comentarista82]

Which is why I extended it to the NT, to demonstrate that it doesn't stop there. I mean, Jesus was all about not judging people, but only because that's God's job, and he'll totally fuck them up when he gets his hands on them.

For sure it doesn't stop there, since the NT links with the OT several ways. For example, Heb 10:1 shows the OT shadows (referring to OT covenant & the animal sacrifices) the NT and that only true forgiveness came through the New Covenant. Matt 22:37-40 show you can summarize all God wants in just two things, which directly tie back to the OT.

 

[magicalmoments]

Infinitely more fascinating but the whole sweet potato thing isn't an incredible mystery. More things than just that to link the Pacific to S. America. Interestingly enough, Indians in the New England/Eastern Canada region were already familiar with Europeans and sailing because the Basque had been fishing there for centuries.

I understand the latest research suggests that the sweet potato found its way into Polynesia thanks to the voyaging of the Vikings of the sunrise, the Polynesians. Heyerdhal's kon-tiki theory is largely debunked these days.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I understand the latest research suggests that the sweet potato found its way into Polynesia thanks to the voyaging of the Vikings of the sunrise, the Polynesians. Heyerdhal's kon-tiki theory is largely debunked these days.

It must've been, but there's no trace of any South American genetic input into Polynesia. Yet the sweet potatoes made it all the way back to New Zealand and were a staple their and all over Polynesia. And yet nothing else from South America?

 

[magicalmoments]

It must've been, but there's no trace of any South American genetic input into Polynesia. Yet the sweet potatoes made it all the way back to New Zealand and were a staple their and all over Polynesia. And yet nothing else from South America?

Yes. Two Stone age cultures, the Polynesians had no need for pottery/ceramics which is the only artifact that would be likely to survive. There are some Stone carvings that have been found in Polynesia that are not typical of Polynesian styles. I don't know if they match south American styles though.

As for genetic evidence, well like you say there is none. The Polynesians took their women with them on their voyages so the chances for taking some south American DNA back with them is high, on the other hand the south Americans may not have taken the opportunity. Who knows.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Yes. Two Stone age cultures, the Polynesians had no need for pottery/ceramics which is the only artifact that would be likely to survive. There are some Stone carvings that have been found in Polynesia that are not typical of Polynesian styles. I don't know if they match south American styles though.

As for genetic evidence, well like you say there is none. The Polynesians took their women with them on their voyages so the chances for taking some south American DNA back with them is high, on the other hand the south Americans may not have taken the opportunity. Who knows.

It must've been, but there's no trace of any South American genetic input into Polynesia. Yet the sweet potatoes made it all the way back to New Zealand and were a staple their and all over Polynesia. And yet nothing else from South America?

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...inks-amazon-indigenous-australians-180955976/

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/epic-pre-columbian-voyage-suggested-genes

http://etc.ancient.eu/interviews/polynesians-in-california-evidence-for-an-ancient-exchange/

Covers some of the non-Polynesian Pacific pssibilities:http://www.academia.edu/6932789/The_Copper_Age_on_the_Northwest_Coast_Early_Indigenous_Metallurgy