Which More Violent: Bible or Quran?

[phrodeau]

Yes. Two Stone age cultures, the Polynesians had no need for pottery/ceramics which is the only artifact that would be likely to survive. There are some Stone carvings that have been found in Polynesia that are not typical of Polynesian styles. I don't know if they match south American styles though.

As for genetic evidence, well like you say there is none. The Polynesians took their women with them on their voyages so the chances for taking some south American DNA back with them is high, on the other hand the south Americans may not have taken the opportunity. Who knows.

The story of Noah in Genesis makes it all perfectly clear.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A bunch of morons doing a "study", no more than my moronic experiences with the op.

1. The Bible, with a cover with Jesus on it, and calling it more violent than Islam, is ridiculous. The Old Testament maybe.

2. For the average shmo, the old testament is far more violent than the Quran yes.

3. The most violent consequences of being religious, is by far, far, very far, Islam.

Let's see if the op is capable of seeing that.



tsss... Promoting the picture of Jesus together with violence.... what an idiot.

He can't he's too busy worshiping Allah and trying to get his ISIS friends into the USA.

 

[EternalFantasies]

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/no-...pposite-and-heres-what-that-means/#gs.1PlqKng

This is this Daniel guy's own opinion. The simple and clear answer to this page you linked is: Jesus is talking about those laws, not their punishments. He is insisting that these values are true, should be respected, followed, and he's not here to change these values.

When looking at the New Testament one needs to take the whole into consideration. What spirit, what attitude, i.e. compassion, forgiveness etc.

Jesus was not liked nor wanted by the high priests. Why?

one needs to understand. The Christian Bible is multi facetet, and yes, I'm afraid only true believers and followers are able to discern what applies where. Otherwise, what's the point? Keep the old testament as is. Or, teach islam if one gets pissed with the mystery in the OT as well.

The average shmo doesnt factor into which one has more violent rhetoric.

Your Daniel miessler would be an avg shmo. I did not mean a by stander on 34th street.

Poorly worded.

Your opinion. It actually tells a lot.

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-jesus-quote-youll-never-hear-in-church/#gs.sl5L8LI

Again, a poor comprehension, and one not put within the who spirit of what the Jesus four Bibles are about. They are also relatively short. So...

The short answer would be this a story being told, a figure of speech, etc. this is not a commandment.


One verse your Daniel forgot to mention: "I come for the lost sheep of the tribes of Israel".




Yes, I am aware that I am answering anecdotes with others.

 

[EternalFantasies]

He can't he's too busy worshiping Allah and trying to get his ISIS friends into the USA.

He will fail.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

This is this Daniel guy's own opinion. The simple and clear answer to this page you linked is: Jesus is talking about those laws, not their punishments. He is insisting that these values are true, should be respected, followed, and he's not here to change these values.

When looking at the New Testament one needs to take the whole into consideration. What spirit, what attitude, i.e. compassion, forgiveness etc.

Jesus was not liked nor wanted by the high priests. Why?

one needs to understand. The Christian Bible is multi facetet, and yes, I'm afraid only true believers and followers are able to discern what applies where. Otherwise, what's the point? Keep the old testament as is. Or, teach islam if one gets pissed with the mystery in the OT as well.



Your Daniel miessler would be an avg shmo. I did not mean a by stander on 34th street.



Your opinion. It actually tells a lot.




Again, a poor comprehension, and one not put within the who spirit of what the Jesus four Bibles are about. They are also relatively short. So...

The short answer would be this a story being told, a figure of speech, etc. this is not a commandment.


One verse your Daniel forgot to mention: "I come for the lost sheep of the tribes of Israel".




Yes, I am aware that I am answering anecdotes with others.

"Forgiveness" is not earned or truly given. The Bible (including the NT) is pretty clear actually on predestination being the case.

And its the same thing as I told the other poster, "true believer" is such a cop ouy. Sure, the guy I quoted is just a guy interpreting whats there, same as you/I. As far as what applies and what doesnt, get real, if the text says something applies its just dishonest to claim that it doesnt. For instance, if a law details a punishment for a crime, endorsing that law and not changing the punishment means you therefore endorse the punishment. Jesus said the law stood, didnt change the punishment, just the punisher; from Man to God.

 

[EternalFantasies]

"Forgiveness" is not earned or truly given. The Bible (including the NT) is pretty clear actually on predestination being the case.

And its the same thing as I told the other poster, "true believer" is such a cop ouy. Sure, the guy I quoted is just a guy interpreting whats there, same as you/I. As far as what applies and what doesnt, get real, if the text says something applies its just dishonest to claim that it doesnt. For instance, if a law details a punishment for a crime, endorsing that law and not changing the punishment means you therefore endorse the punishment. Jesus said the law stood, didnt change the punishment, just the punisher; from Man to God.

I realize it is very hard to split things up appropriately here. but there are many things not taken into consideration.

I am not equipped to detail those, nor would I want to as one needs to study for thyself, or simply drop the matter and forget about it; but not preach otherwise.

The pope recently said: "its better to be an Atheist than a bad Christian". The width and breadth of the Church can support you nonetheless.

But i'll venture one, like when Jesus said 'what you tie on earth shall be tied in heaven'. He gave the keys, the powers, to Peter, and put him in charge.

The Church changed many OT laws. And that does not mean they contradicted what Daniel is saying about the not a dot or iota will change of the law.

It's just talking about its Spirit of this is correct, that is not. it's not do what you want... The punishment is a measure, a consequence, must be put in context and today's times are a very different context. That is all.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

The Church changed many OT laws. And that does not mean they contradicted what Daniel is saying about the not a dot or iota will change of the law.

Actually that is exactly what it means.

It's just talking about its Spirit of this is correct, that is not. it's not do what you want... The punishment is a measure, a consequence, must be put in context and today's times are a very different context. That is all.

Malachi 3:6 For I the Lord do not change... Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

 

[jaF0]

Y'all know this shit's all make believe, right?

Made up by some guys drunk on bad wine stored in a rotted sheepskin after spending too many days in the hot sun.

 

[Chris_Michael]

The Pope said it's better to be an atheist than it is to be a bad Christian? Wow! Does god hate people who believe in him when they cannot control their programmed brain which he designed?

You're either programmed now, you'll be programmed in the afterlife, or both. Well, or just now with no afterlife.

Person A grew up in a home that did not practice nor preach any supernatural ideologies. Person A has amazing genes - no mental illness, no problems with weight, and an ability to obtain natural highs through friendship, exercise, and other healthy means. Person A lives a good life, never really became religious, and died at a healthy age.

Person B was born in a Christian family who goes to church Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings. Person B gets genuinely saved, or whatever they need to do to become a child of god. Person B, however, has a family history of eating disorders, mental illness, alcoholism, addiction, heart problems, and they are very unattractive. They live with unhealthy urges to eat, drink alcohol, do drugs, etc. Their Christian friends at church turn out to be stumbling blocks for this person. In the end, this person suffers from depression, anxiety, weight problems, urges to do drugs, suicidal thouhts, and they die by a heart attack at a young age. They were essentially a bad Christian because they did not have the self-discipline to control their own brains.

Person C is born mentally retarded. They are saved no matter what because they literally cannot make a decision to love god or deny god. They go to heaven.

Person D dies at child birth. They never had a chance at life. They would have been born in a Muslim country but because they died before they could even make it out of the womb, they go to heaven. This person may have turned out to be a member of ISIS.

Person E died at the age of 12. Only god knows if this person was old enough to be judged. It turns out, they were. They heard the gospel yet they never accepted god's gift. They burn in hell for eternity.

All the people who went to heaven turn into programmed robots who are always happy and they serve two men for the rest of all time. It is the very definition of an eternal North Korea.

Who REALLY wants to go to heaven?

 

[jaF0]

https://themotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/og2.jpg

It was just a movie folks. That's all. Make believe.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Y'all know this shit's all make believe, right?

Made up by some guys drunk on bad wine stored in a rotted sheepskin after spending too many days in the hot sun.

I've always suspected that Moses found himself out in the desert with a bunch of whiney people who couldn't get along. Every time they would bring if some ridiculous problem he would make a new law like, no garments can be made with different thread.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And for our next instalment, dancing angels. I have the pin ready.

And for the record, I'm Catholic. And I do partake of ritual cannibalism. It's an interesting rite. And yes, it's all about faith. And indoctrination at an early age.

 

[DrDelirium]

And for our next instalment, dancing angels. I have the pin ready.

What dance are these angels doing? Is there a stripper pole involved? Straight pin, safety pin or lynch pin? We'll never get anywhere if we don't answer some basic questions first.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What dance are these angels doing? Is there a stripper pole involved? Straight pin, safety pin or lynch pin? We'll never get anywhere if we don't answer some basic questions first.

You're right, we really need to pin this down.

Realizing of course that in any Islamic country we'd probably all have already been sentenced to a good flogging for blasphemy and disrespect by now.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Actually that is exactly what it means.

https://m.popkey.co/2f152b/OW7Q_f-maxage-0.gif

Malachi 3:6 For I the Lord do not change... Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Very true verses. And do not represent a proof contrary to my statement.

 

[EternalFantasies]

The Pope said it's better to be an atheist than it is to be a bad Christian? Wow! Does god hate people who believe in him when they cannot control their programmed brain which he designed?

No.

What was meant was, to no engage on a spiritual path one cannot handle, and to be an Atheist, as not necessarily a good thing as that may be, still the consequences are far better than for one being a bad Christian.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

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Very true verses. And do not represent a proof contrary to my statement.

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Demonstrate how they dont then. And how about Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says unto me "Lord, Lord!" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Romans 10:13 Everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved.

No.

What was meant was, to no engage on a spiritual path one cannot handle, and to be an Atheist, as not necessarily a good thing as that may be, still the consequences are far better than for one being a bad Christian.

Except that even a bad Christian goes to Heaven and an Atheist doesnt, so what are the extra bad consequences they get that we dont know about.

 

[jaF0]

So, Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon? The wiser of the two?

 

[ChloeTzang]

So, Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon? The wiser of the two?

Buck. Flash went to Yale and plays polo and is therefore an idiot without any doubt. Worse, his girlfriend is named after a chipmunk. Buck is a vet and working for a living. He also leads in combat. It's gotta be Buck that's the wiser. But does he shoot .45 or 9mm?

 

[DrDelirium]

Buck. Flash went to Yale and plays polo and is therefore an idiot without any doubt. Worse, his girlfriend is named after a chipmunk. Buck is a vet and working for a living. He also leads in combat. It's gotta be Buck that's the wiser. But does he shoot .45 or 9mm?

Doc Savage has them both beat sideways.

 

[EternalFantasies]

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Demonstrate how they dont then.

They are correct. The Lord does not change. Christ is the same before now after tomorrow.

All has nothing to do with changes to the consequences of breaking the law.

This is elementary really, didn't think i'd have to demonstrate it.

And how about Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says unto me "Lord, Lord!" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Romans 10:13 Everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved.

You've changed the subject. I thought this is about which book is more violent.

 

[jaF0]

I thought this is about which book is more violent.

I'd say "The Choirboys".

 

[magicalmoments]

The Pope said it's better to be an atheist than it is to be a bad Christian? Wow! Does god hate people who believe in him when they cannot control their programmed brain which he designed?

You're either programmed now, you'll be programmed in the afterlife, or both. Well, or just now with no afterlife.

Person A grew up in a home that did not practice nor preach any supernatural ideologies. Person A has amazing genes - no mental illness, no problems with weight, and an ability to obtain natural highs through friendship, exercise, and other healthy means. Person A lives a good life, never really became religious, and died at a healthy age.

Person B was born in a Christian family who goes to church Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings. Person B gets genuinely saved, or whatever they need to do to become a child of god. Person B, however, has a family history of eating disorders, mental illness, alcoholism, addiction, heart problems, and they are very unattractive. They live with unhealthy urges to eat, drink alcohol, do drugs, etc. Their Christian friends at church turn out to be stumbling blocks for this person. In the end, this person suffers from depression, anxiety, weight problems, urges to do drugs, suicidal thouhts, and they die by a heart attack at a young age. They were essentially a bad Christian because they did not have the self-discipline to control their own brains.

Person C is born mentally retarded. They are saved no matter what because they literally cannot make a decision to love god or deny god. They go to heaven.

Person D dies at child birth. They never had a chance at life. They would have been born in a Muslim country but because they died before they could even make it out of the womb, they go to heaven. This person may have turned out to be a member of ISIS.

Person E died at the age of 12. Only god knows if this person was old enough to be judged. It turns out, they were. They heard the gospel yet they never accepted god's gift. They burn in hell for eternity.

All the people who went to heaven turn into programmed robots who are always happy and they serve two men for the rest of all time. It is the very definition of an eternal North Korea.

Who REALLY wants to go to heaven?

So many of the people you know die! You're a walking tragedy, in more ways than one!

 

[Chris_Michael]

They are correct. The Lord does not change. Christ is the same before now after tomorrow.

All has nothing to do with changes to the consequences of breaking the law.

This is elementary really, didn't think i'd have to demonstrate it.

The Bible has many instances where god changes his mind. As a matter of fact, humans have changed god's mind. If we are using the Bible as an authority, then it's demonstrable that god is unstable. Otherwise, why would god have anger and jealousy, which are very destructible emotions.

God also seems very insecure. Why does god want people to worship him if he's the most powerful being in the universe? If we are nothing but filthy rags, why does god value our "love" so much so that he is willing to punish us for the rest of eternity? Are we a danger to his other children? Are we a danger to him? Does it anger him that we choose to go about living a normal life without religion to the point where he wants us to suffer the most horrific pain for all time? And why did god trust humans, who have proven to be the most distrustful creature on the planet to spread the message from generation to generation. Obviously, the story was going to get used for power and greed. Obviously, the story would be skewed.

Do these questions even remotely make you think that maybe this story is a complete bullshit story handed down generation after generation to keep people in check? There is nothing worse than fear. Fear will control people. And if that's how god works, it's not mysterious... it's psychopathic.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

They are correct. The Lord does not change. Christ is the same before now after tomorrow.

All has nothing to do with changes to the consequences of breaking the law.

This is elementary really, didn't think i'd have to demonstrate it.

Well apparently you do because if God stays the same, as Chris points out that would mean he doesn't change his mind and he obviously does because he changes the consequences of sin in the OT from performing sacrifice or having the community administer punishment, to saying "Let me take care of it when they die" in the NT. If God is the same forever he would never change his mind. If it was planned out previously that way then you're stuck trying to figure out why he didnt just go NT without the OT.

You've changed the subject. I thought this is about which book is more violent.

The subject of the thread is but obviously the conversation has evolved and no I didnt do it, I just responded to the claims of others who did.