Who has it better than me?

[John Doe]

I have to say I'm really disappointed in the turn this thread has taken. I think if Etoile wanted to start a philosophical discussion on what is gay and what isn't, then she should have started a new thread, and not hijacked someone else's thread with it.

I am really disappointed by the fact that she threw her role as a moderator up.



That comes across as a self-important person on a power trip. A moderator shouldn't use their inability to be ignored to bully other posters. Taunting us with the fact that we are forced to see your posts, no matter how much we don't want to, is an abuse of power.

LTSPLAY brought up her role, not Etoile. If she were on a power trip she would've deleted the post or taken similar action. All she has done is express an opinion. In fact, she's learned to be very careful with the application of power and it's one of the main reasons we have a News and Issues sub-forum. It's preferable over forcing everyone on the main forum to talk about something other than cock, ass and come.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Johnie
Don't worry about her, thinks she's the forum police.
Express your thoughts.

If you don't like the thread move on.
Express your thoughts don't force them

Anything else goes. You may post whatever you like. Consequently, so can everyone else. The administrators here don't believe they are anyone's parents nor are they anyone's Jiminy Cricket. It's not their responsibility to make sure that everyone on the site uses free speech responsibly. It's up to individual users to be responsible for themselves. For those who are not, the programmers at Jelsoft have added an ignore function for your convenience. Just go here and add the user you don't want to deal with anymore.

G - Gay, men having sex with men
L - Lesbian, women having sex with women
B - Bisexual, either gender having sex with the other gender or their own gender
T- Transexual/Transgender/Transvestite - Well, this definition is too long, you get the idea (I hope)

Etoile, what is your problem? I was going to rip you a new one for your attitude and language (i.e. asswipe, "You can't ignore me, though - feel free to try and see what you get." - If that's not a veiled threat I don't what is!). Then I read through a few of your posts, about 200, and on the whole you seem like an intelligent and thoughtful person. But I also noticed that you seem to have a problem with the B part of GLBT. So, what's up? Do you have a problem with people who like the other gender? If you do, please get over it, you seem to have to much to offer the world to get hung up on that kind of shit!

G - Good
L - Love
B - Be
T - Tight

Peace,
Me

Silver,
Could not have said it better. Kinda "yanked" (no pun intended) by the hostile take over of the thread. Was just looking to share an experience with fellow lit members. No need to go into great detail; one onluy has too look at the post titles to see that many popular posts fall into what I was writing. eg; men eating thier own cum etc....
I do not want to get into Etoile bashing, will send a PM to express my views, I do not feel the postings are a place for such bantering; unless. they were started for such action.
I thank those of you that took a stand, on either side of the issue, yes Etoile, discussion is open and accepted, lets just get it in the right place and context.
Johnie ringo

Wow - "You can't ignore me, though - feel free to try and see what you get."

How did you get into the moderator position?
You might want to consider some help.
I've read a lot of these posts and I have never seen name calling
Seems your the only one breaking rules here
5. Do not threaten other users.

If you moved it would that be based on your will or on a broken rule.
Did you read the definition of Bully

You don't foster discussion with threats and name calling.

I enjoyed the story as others did, you shouldn't let these types of stories intimidate you or get under your skin.
Let the discussions continue.
Asswipe

Dear ASSWIPES,

Let me do a little 'splaining for ya... With the exception of JD (and shadowann2 who is just trolling), ALL of you don't have enough posts to hit, 500, so I figure you are just being ignorant, not necessary stupid (that will be assigned if you keep up your crap after you read this...)

So,

• There is no such thing as a hostile take over of a thread. Anybody can say what ever they want in ANY thread. INCLUDING the Mod. In this case she tried to bring up a discussion of the FACT that getting fucked in the ass by a woman is hetero sex unless you're a lesbian. Discussion of str8 sex acts don't belong in a LGBTQ forum.

• A preemptive notification that you can't put a mod on Ignore is just that. Deal with it.

• Saying that Etoile is anti-Bi, based upon your VERY limited knowledge, is WAY offensive to a LOT of us who know better. Either learn what you are talking about or shut the fuck up.

• Calling somebody the Forum Police when they only tried to ADD something to your conversation and, god forbid, actually make you think with your head instead of you little bitty cock, just shows your ignorance. I'd suggest that you learn from your betters, even if you won't learn from your elders (and yes, I am implying that you are a bunch of immature asshats that prolly aren't old enough to be here, based upon your comments).

• If you have an issue with a mod, you have three choices... (1.) Send a PM to Laurel and tell her what you think (and in this case I KNOW what she'll respond ), (2) get off everybody's ass and try to hold a discussion (you MIGHT actually learn something), or (3) leave.

There ya go, sweeties... Now pick!

You're cute when you're cranky.

*Snerk*

I have to say I'm really disappointed in the turn this thread has taken. I think if Etoile wanted to start a philosophical discussion on what is gay and what isn't, then she should have started a new thread, and not hijacked someone else's thread with it.

I am really disappointed by the fact that she threw her role as a moderator up.



That comes across as a self-important person on a power trip. A moderator shouldn't use their inability to be ignored to bully other posters. Taunting us with the fact that we are forced to see your posts, no matter how much we don't want to, is an abuse of power.

Ummmm, did you learn to be a bitch like this in the GB???? Wanna go back, please???

 

[Night_Jasmine]

To be honest, I'd rather see this thread shut down. Etoile is a great moderator, always helpful and welcoming to the people here. Running her down like this is a very unkind and to be frank, RUDE AS HELL thing to do.

Is a woman ramming a dildo up a man's ass bi? I don't know..don't really care.

What I do care about is the lack of respect being shown to a woman who spends a good deal of her time ensuring our forum runs smoothly and without trolls or other less than desirable people who would seek to cause issues.

If you agree with her or not, it doesn't matter. Treating her like a bitch and being rude to others is what I'm taking offense at.

People of GLBT do not get enough respect as it is and to see this going on...well, hells, it's wrong.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, PEOPLE!!!!

The world has enough problems without this nonsense going on.

Etoile, thank you for the work you do here.

 

[LTSPLAY]

next one

 

[LTSPLAY]

Etoile challenged Johnie not once but 3 times.
All prior to my 'forum police' comment.
I was interested in his chatter, not what was wrong with it.

I agree, it came across like a power trip.

Hopefully from the response, lessons were learned.

Time to move on.

 

[Etoile]

To be honest, I'd rather see this thread shut down.

So would I, actually - but only from my own embarrassment. There's nothing in the thread that merits shutting it down, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, so there's no reason to close it.

BTW, I want to clarify something regarding threats as stated in the forum rules. I've been on Lit for 9 years and a moderator for 6.5 years. I've discussed threats with Laurel in the past. What the rules refer to when saying "threats" are actual threats to someone's physical person. Lit has a few stalkers, and these people will post physical addresses, steal identities, and do just about anything they can to make their target's life a living hell. That's what "threats" refers to in the rules. If it referred to people calling each other names and slinging insults, then the board wouldn't be a free speech board, it would be a "play nice with each other" board. Which it's not - you are free to threaten to rip somebody a new one, taunt them, snark at them, whatever you like. What you cannot do is make it possible for someone to go to the house (or contact them through the mail, email, etc) and actually hurt them. Just want to clarify what "threats" means.

Etoile is a great moderator, always helpful and welcoming to the people here. Running her down like this is a very unkind and to be frank, RUDE AS HELL thing to do.

Is a woman ramming a dildo up a man's ass bi? I don't know..don't really care.

What I do care about is the lack of respect being shown to a woman who spends a good deal of her time ensuring our forum runs smoothly and without trolls or other less than desirable people who would seek to cause issues.

If you agree with her or not, it doesn't matter. Treating her like a bitch and being rude to others is what I'm taking offense at.

People of GLBT do not get enough respect as it is and to see this going on...well, hells, it's wrong.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, PEOPLE!!!!

The world has enough problems without this nonsense going on.

Etoile, thank you for the work you do here.

That's very sweet of you, and Safe_Bet too. I'm pretty much done with this thread - I've explained my position, I've apologized, and I've suggested ways to restart the conversation the OP originally wanted. I don't think there's much more for me to say here.

Live long and prosper, folks.

 

[Etoile]

Etoile challenged Johnie not once but 3 times.
All prior to my 'forum police' comment.
I was interested in his chatter, not what was wrong with it.

I agree, it came across like a power trip.

Hopefully from the response, lessons were learned.

Time to move on.

We were posting at the same time, so I get to sneak in one more comment.

Again, I'm sorry others felt it seemed like a power trip. Like I said, I felt attacked and responded in anger.

What you see as challenging, I see as encouraging new thinking and discussion. I do the same thing in my classes...professors routinely tell me to shut up and let someone else talk, because I always have a lot to say.

Anyway, like you say...time to move on.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Etoile challenged Johnie not once but 3 times.
All prior to my 'forum police' comment.
I was interested in his chatter, not what was wrong with it.

I agree, it came across like a power trip.

Hopefully from the response, lessons were learned.

Time to move on.

Learned by whom? I doesn't appear to be you, because you are keeping up with the same tired bullshit.

I know I stand corrected regarding my comment "I figure you are just being ignorant, not necessary stupid (that will be assigned if you keep up your crap after you read this...)"

Yup, definitely stupid.

 

[LTSPLAY]

We were posting at the same time, so I get to sneak in one more comment.

Again, I'm sorry others felt it seemed like a power trip. Like I said, I felt attacked and responded in anger.

What you see as challenging, I see as encouraging new thinking and discussion. I do the same thing in my classes...professors routinely tell me to shut up and let someone else talk, because I always have a lot to say.

Anyway, like you say...time to move on.

Great Response
Just to clarify, I didn't realize you were a moderator, or what a moderator was, until Safe Bet jumped into your defense.
I see she still brewing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wanna go back to the original story?

Nice one, Johnnie.

To answer Etiole's challenge; A man who loves getting pegged by a woman-- but does not want another man near him-- is a straight man. A straight man who is in touch with his happy button.

It isn't the most common thing out there, but assplay is not, in itself, queer. People are queer. Sex is sex.

 

[johnie ringo]

Horseshit! You have NOTHING to apologize for. If it quacks it's a duck... In this case he/they ARE asswipes. You asked a question and he/they responded with a bunch of snarky bullshit. You as a person AND as a mod are completely in your rights for calling him/them on it.

P.S. I have been bouncing around internet boards for almost ten years now and you ARE a good - strike that - GREAT Moderator. If they have a problem let them take it up with Kitty Mama!

I think a pill of reality is needed here. I, as stated before, was just looking to share a happy moment from my life. I was called out for it not being gay, that is alright, I am pretty sure.hmmmmmmmm yea positive that i did not call out snarky bullshit and see no reason for your insinuation,let alone your outward aggression. I make many mistakes in my life, when I do I own them; there is a distinct difference from being targeted for something I did not do.
You are tailgating and agitiating, let alone hating in this whole thing. I had my peace with what I wrote to Etol, take it for what it was, but dont, I repeat, don' t make false accusations against me. Easy to hide behind your comp screen and rant and rave, but understand, words on screen are just as hurtfull and damaging as rocks and stones. I am not a sensitive person, so do not misconstrue what I am saying. Someone felt the need to "reply to what ws writen" on my behalf, I appreciate that and do not distance myself from them for this; however, if you are going to misquote and redirect your anger, I must make a stand.

 

[LTSPLAY]

Sounds like an enjoyable moment.
Wish you many more, and hope your not discouraged to share.

 

[johnie ringo]

Wanna go back to the original story?

Nice one, Johnnie.

To answer Etiole's challenge; A man who loves getting pegged by a woman-- but does not want another man near him-- is a straight man. A straight man who is in touch with his happy button.

It isn't the most common thing out there, but assplay is not, in itself, queer. People are queer. Sex is sex.

Ahhhhhhh, yes some reality squeeking back in. To answer the undying question: What is gay? Who cares? At times, i think about "the dildo or what ever is inserted" as being another man...Gay? bisexual? don't care of the label just turns me on. At times my wife thinks about being with another woman, watches girl on girl porn, or reads girl on girl porn as I sit between her licking her to climax!! Gay? Bi Sexual? again could care less. Point of the whole story.....
I care not about being challenged in who or what I am.
I post a story, an experience that the wife and I shared, something different that hopefully, helps; challenges or just stretches others experiences.
We try to bring joy to others, not this mindless babbling...
I state briefly, if one does not like what they are reading, would it not be easier to close the window and try to find one that they enjoy; rather than type anything other than positives? Just saying... Think before one types, enjoy what you read, and enjoy all that this sight has to offer....if you got something to say to a writer/ blogger...hey that is what the PM is for...no?

lets get back to reality, and enjoy some good ole fashion loving

 

[sugaredwalls]

Sorry but Etoile had a point, the original post isn't really gay related at all and should of been posted in the Darkroom Lounge or Playground forum. A nice erotic experience like that would of gotten more accolades and applause there. Now it's just sort of sitting here like a turd in a punchbowl.

 

[ficklefun]

lets get back to reality, and enjoy some good ole fashion loving

AGREED!!! Keep the stories coming!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ahhhhhhh, yes some reality squeeking back in. To answer the undying question: What is gay? Who cares? At times, i think about "the dildo or what ever is inserted" as being another man...Gay? bisexual? don't care of the label just turns me on. At times my wife thinks about being with another woman, watches girl on girl porn, or reads girl on girl porn as I sit between her licking her to climax!! Gay? Bi Sexual? again could care less. Point of the whole story.....
I care not about being challenged in who or what I am.
I post a story, an experience that the wife and I shared, something different that hopefully, helps; challenges or just stretches others experiences.
We try to bring joy to others, not this mindless babbling...
I state briefly, if one does not like what they are reading, would it not be easier to close the window and try to find one that they enjoy; rather than type anything other than positives? Just saying... Think before one types, enjoy what you read, and enjoy all that this sight has to offer....if you got something to say to a writer/ blogger...hey that is what the PM is for...no?

lets get back to reality, and enjoy some good ole fashion loving

Dude, "what is gay?" is a question that has been answered time and again. The question "Who cares?" likewise. "Who cares?" We do.

GLBT folk live in a world filled to the brim with straight people; bi-curious couples show up at the one lesbian night per week at our local gay bar, as if lesbians had nothing they'd rather do than go home with a married couple for the dude's titillation. Lately there have been more trawling couples there than dykes, because who wants to be around that?


I state briefly, if one wishes to share one's hetero experiences with gay people, the GLBT board might not be the best place to do it. Think before one types, dude. Know that you owe some consideration to your hosts, the GLBT folk who treasure this one place as their own.

Yanno?

 

[John Doe]

Those who cannot hear an angry shout may strain to hear a whisper.

 

[none2_none2]

Etoile,
Mentally you probably don't need to be told that you are a good moderator. However, I'm sure like any human being praise is appreciated in lieu of a salary. So yes you are a great moderator.

That being said, you must know that the written word can only go so far when there is no visual and oral hints as to where someone is coming from. Your initial post in this treat could have been seen as something other than stimulating conversation.

As to your point, realize that humans are SO full of their own definitions of things. I don't think we will ever have a clear definition of something that isn't that clear cut. Also, realize that something may be gay stimulating. Personally, I find it more erotic to have a man discuss having a phallic symbol in his mouth or ass -- regardless if the actual person controlling that symbol is a female or not. Is it really that much "less straight" if a guy puts his penis in a whole in the wall and doesn't know whether the person on the other side is male or female?

Lets give other examples of where I don't see how someone can say it is gay or not:

1) A guy gets off on a male doll without a penis, but has no interest in a human male. Is it less gay or more gay because this doll has no penis or less/more gayer then the guy who shoves an excellent replica of a penis in his ass?

2) A guy's spouse is transgendered (with or without surgery). If this guy loves his spouse is he more gay because unless he is married to a biological, feminine female?


Again, I hope we haven't scared off the original poster. Like I originally stated, I thought his story was interesting. It is many times more interesting that the umpteenth thousand posts of craving cock, but cannot stand the thought of kissing, loving, or finding another man attractive. What gets me is a lot of times those very men themselves are people that a gay man wouldn't want to kiss, or make out with even if THEY were wearing a burka.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Etoile,
Mentally you probably don't need to be told that you are a good moderator. However, I'm sure like any human being praise is appreciated in lieu of a salary. So yes you are a great moderator.

That being said, you must know that the written word can only go so far when there is no visual and oral hints as to where someone is coming from. Your initial post in this treat could have been seen as something other than stimulating conversation.

As to your point, realize that humans are SO full of their own definitions of things. I don't think we will ever have a clear definition of something that isn't that clear cut. Also, realize that something may be gay stimulating. Personally, I find it more erotic to have a man discuss having a phallic symbol in his mouth or ass -- regardless if the actual person controlling that symbol is a female or not. Is it really that much "less straight" if a guy puts his penis in a whole in the wall and doesn't know whether the person on the other side is male or female?

yeah, i agree with you on this. And I suggest that johnie simply state that he is bisexual. he doesn't need to have done anything to "prove" it. Thousands of people are simply hetero, whether or not they ever have sex.

Lets give other examples of where I don't see how someone can say it is gay or not:

1) A guy gets off on a male doll without a penis, but has no interest in a human male. Is it less gay or more gay because this doll has no penis or less/more gayer then the guy who shoves an excellent replica of a penis in his ass?

Sounds like he has a fetish for dolls-- which is delightfully perverse, indeed. But "Gay" means he loves MEN. Not just their disembodied dicks, and certainly not a dollie without a dick at all.

2) A guy's spouse is transgendered (with or without surgery). If this guy loves his spouse is he more gay because unless he is married to a biological, feminine female?

Is his spouse transgendered male-to-female, or female-to-male? Does his spouse consider themself now a normal heterosexual woman, or in the other direction, now a full-blown (hehe) gay man?

In fact, I know a wildly queer dyke, "K", who stood right by her girlfriend "E" when she started transitioning into male. They are still together. K is still as queer as she ever was. But when she brought E home in his brand new male-looking body, K's mother told her; "We always knew this lesbian thing was just a phase, and you would find a man."

... oookay, mom.

Again, I hope we haven't scared off the original poster. Like I originally stated, I thought his story was interesting. It is many times more interesting that the umpteenth thousand posts of craving cock, but cannot stand the thought of kissing, loving, or finding another man attractive. What gets me is a lot of times those very men themselves are people that a gay man wouldn't want to kiss, or make out with even if THEY were wearing a burka.

Like the men who scream at lesbians that they are ugly and should wear makeup and a dress...

 

[FasrEddie]

Dear ASSWIPES,

ALL of you don't have enough posts to hit, 500, so I figure you are just being ignorant, not necessary stupid (that will be assigned if you keep up your crap after you read this...)


Ummmm, did you learn to be a bitch like this in the GB???? Wanna go back, please???

I hate to log on and see a thread go down the Tubes like this one did.
So quickly it turns to Endless Bickering and Name Calling.
I read the OP's story... Thats cool.
I understand the point that Etoile was making and also agree... BUT...

I have to say...
It seems like the person doing the most Name Calling is YOU Safe_Bet!

( And when did a Member's Post Count have anything to do with intelligence? )

 

[Recidiva]

I think Etoile's frustration is valid.

It is from my viewpoint, indicating a lack of information and sensitivity regarding what defines GLBT. A male having sex with a straight woman, regardless of what's done, makes a person straight. I am kinda shocked when someone thinks that anything that isn't male/female missionary position is living on the edge.

It has to do with extending an ignorant stereotype (anal sex is gay, having it makes you bi) that raises the question of "How much do you know about GLBT issues?" Why did you come here rather than post it on the General Board?

From my experience, and I have severe migraines, it's like being asked if I've tried relaxing or taking an aspirin. That displays monstrous ignorance on the subject AND simultaneously offering a definition and a sense of authority that's insulting and wrong.

If I were a moderator on a migraine board where "cutting edge cures" were being discussed and someone said "Hey, has anybody tried aspirin?" I'd probably have the same attitude. If someone then said "I'm just trying to help! GOD! Don't you people want help!?" I'd probably escalate, as it did here.

If you can't at all see why Etoile went this way, you probably don't have much of a grip on what made her question entirely appropriate, and if you continued to not listen, it's not her "power trip" - it's the individual's inability to listen to nuances of meaning that haven't yet occurred to them.

Fortunately Etoile isn't a robot, for which I'm grateful. But that really doesn't mean she has to kid glove everyone who stomps in with muddy boots and doesn't recognize the courtesy of wiping their feet when asked.

 

[redtheviking]

Johnie Ringo...

How often do you and your wife play with her strap on?

 

[Etoile]

I hate to log on and see a thread go down the Tubes like this one did.
So quickly it turns to Endless Bickering and Name Calling.
I read the OP's story... Thats cool.
I understand the point that Etoile was making and also agree... BUT...

I have to say...
It seems like the person doing the most Name Calling is YOU Safe_Bet!

( And when did a Member's Post Count have anything to do with intelligence? )

Come on now, you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Safe_Bet has the right to express herself how she chooses, and so does everybody else. I don't know how many times I have to say that this is a FREE SPEECH board. If S_B wants to call people names, she can. She is a very passionate person - read ANY post by her to see that! - and she expresses herself in the way most comfortable to her. Being snarky BACK isn't helping things at all.

 

[Helen_CD_UK]

Johnie Ringo: enjoyed the story very much, thanks for posting! You're a lucky man indeed

To all those arguing about it's validity, whether it's gay/bi/whatever, or who is and isn't allowed to hurl vitriolic abuse around the place: here's a plate of Jaffa Cakes, help yourselves to a few, they'll make you feel much better and once you've wiped the crumbs off your faces we can all play nicely

(BTW: dunno if Jaffa Cakes exist outside the UK, but Wikipedia is your friend... trust me, they're good )

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'll take a Jaffa cake or three.