Who has it better than me?

[none2_none2]

Like the men who scream at lesbians that they are ugly and should wear makeup and a dress...

The only time I have ever heard that was typically from jealous drag queens.

Personally, I always thought that if lesbians really wanted to take over the world they just need to control the beauty pageant, fashion, & cosmetic industries. It would turn the world upside down. Imagine all those straight women asking for accessorizing tips from their lesbian counterparts. Imagine straight men going ga-ga over lesbian created outfits.

The only draw back is that it would probably hit the gay drag culture pretty hard. They wouldn't know what to do.

PS: If you ever do decide to at least take on the cosmetic industry, please don't use coconut or banana or mango scents in your products. They drives me crazy. (I guess I ate to many macaroons, bananas, & mangoes as a child.)

 

[redtheviking]

I was sitting on th couch, awaiting my wife to return from practice with one of the children. I was feeling nervous wondering how she would react when she found out I had taken her strap on cok out and was now burried deep inside of me.

As she entered the door, I debated to either just go in the other room and take it out, or let her in on the secret. I decided the later and invited her to sit next to me. As she looked into my eyes she knew something was up, rather than speak, I just took her hand and guided it to the base of her strap on which was all that was hanging out.

I awaited her reaction. The smile was instant, and the hand massaging the base of the cok was the true indication of her approval.

It was early in the night, around seven, the kids are up till nine, so I was not sure how the night would continue. It was all a spur of the moment thing on my part and no real planning out, was just thinking how hot it would be if I came home from work and found a dildo burrried deep in my wife. The wife walked down the hall, turned to me and winked. I moved from the couch and followed her to our bedroom. We started kissing, but they were not lovers kisses, they were far more animalistic and heated, it was obvious that the two of us were equally heated by what I had done. Waiting was no longer an option.

We left the lights out, found the darkest corner of the room. I quickly undid yher pants, and she bent over, resting her elbows on the edge of the bed as I easily entered her now drenched pussy. The intense feeling echoed throughout my body. I imagined that when I first stuck the strap on in me, that the night would end up with her fucking me, not me burried deep inside her doggie style.

My mind raced back and forth. On one side, the feeling was so intense I just had to cum deep in her, on the other, I wanted to wait, and instead of her resting her elbows on the bed, It would be me there and her behind me, plowing me hard. The later was quickly loosing ground, as my wife bucked harder and harder back on my cok. One of her hands reached back and started massaging the strap on still burried in my ass. My toes curled at the added sensation. I was close to cumming and my wife started whispering for me to cum in her pussy.

Three thusts from orgasm, the pitter patter of feet were coming down the hall. Those that have been there, know the routine: Quick redress and act like nothing is going on. Luckily, it was a false test, the patters went to the bathroom, and which ever child it was, went back to the fammily room to continue with thier activities.

The wife taking advantage of the renewed "alone time" wuickly dropped to her knees and lowered my pants. Her mouth worked back and forth on my cok with a purpose. Then her hand worked to the cok burried in my ass, feverishly working it in and out with short rapid movements.
My body was shuttering with intensity: my legs wilting. I can not tell you how intense my orgasm was, but I about buckled to the floor as I unloaded deep into her mouth. I was on cloud nine, but as she rose from her knees, she brought her mouth to mine and unloaded my entire shot into my own mouth.
Like I said who has it better than me

I'll take a Jaffa cake or three.

Now we're really getting kinky. I have no idea what a Jaffa cake is. I don't know if i can handle three but i'll try anything twice. Never know... First time you might have gotten it all wrong. I'm thinking i should write a new song "Breakfast at Stella's" hopefully JR's wife brings her little friend.

So JR. Tell me more about your experience and what you like so much about it. I'm very interested. Thanks for sharing.

 

[FasrEddie]

Come on now, you're the pot calling the kettle black here. Safe_Bet has the right to express herself how she chooses, and so does everybody else. I don't know how many times I have to say that this is a FREE SPEECH board. If S_B wants to call people names, she can. She is a very passionate person - read ANY post by her to see that! - and she expresses herself in the way most comfortable to her. Being snarky BACK isn't helping things at all.

Ohh... I see your point.
If one person wants to call poeple names... That' Free Speech.
If another wants to point out that we could discuss a subject without all of the name calling...
That's being SNARKY???

Re-read your post and explain to me how I am the one that's
"The pot calling the kettle black"
For you to preach "Free Speech" and flame me for mine proves my point.

To me... Every point that you made sounds like a Double Standard!

 

[LTSPLAY]

Ohh... I see your point.
If one person wants to call poeple names... That' Free Speech.
If another wants to point out that we could discuss a subject without all of the name calling...
That's being SNARKY???

Re-read your post and explain to me how I am the one that's
"The pot calling the kettle black"
For you to preach "Free Speech" and flame me for mine proves my point.

To me... Every point that you made sounds like a Double Standard!

It is comical how the few hostile's defend and justify each other. It's like they are in their own world and don't realize that the other people don't see it that way at all.

Let me correct that, Etoile clearly realized what was happening and made a valiant attempt at correcting it.
Credit where credit is due!
Don't get drawn back in at that level!

Go back and read through this whole thread, the hostility, that it is not their will, is astounding.
It's like a run away train, but still interesting.
Note who really starts the name slinging and harsh words.
I did use the phrase 'forum police' because I felt the thread was being put in question several times, I don't think that's a name or an insult, nor did I know she was a moderator until S-B interjected.
Still no rule against it.
I even posted some of the rules -
"Anything else goes. You may post whatever you like. Consequently, so can everyone else."
But some are bent on limiting the topic to their mindset.

I am always up for a good discussion/debate but 'because I said so' isn't enough to satisfy me.

 

[Safe_Bet]

It is comical how the few hostile's defend and justify each other. It's like they are in their own world and don't realize that the other people don't see it that way at all.

Let me correct that, Etoile clearly realized what was happening and made a valiant attempt at correcting it.
Credit where credit is due!
Don't get drawn back in at that level!

Go back and read through this whole thread, the hostility, that it is not their will, is astounding.
It's like a run away train, but still interesting.
Note who really starts the name slinging and harsh words.
I did use the phrase 'forum police' because I felt the thread was being put in question several times, I don't think that's a name or an insult, nor did I know she was a moderator until S-B interjected.
Still no rule against it.
I even posted some of the rules -
"Anything else goes. You may post whatever you like. Consequently, so can everyone else."
But some are bent on limiting the topic to their mindset.

I am always up for a good discussion/debate but 'because I said so' isn't enough to satisfy me.

Oh my goodness! Did I hurt your wittle feeling by calling you a dumbass? Here's an idea: maybe you should consider pulling your big girl panties up and get over it.

 

[LTSPLAY]

Oh my goodness! Did I hurt your wittle feeling by calling you a dumbass? Here's an idea: maybe you should consider pulling your big girl panties up and get over it.

No, what you did, you did to yourself.
But that is what makes it amusing and fosters more thought.

 

[redtheviking]

More strap-on's please. pretty please.

 

[Stella_Omega]

None2_none2, the men I am speaking about are straight men who want lesbians to be bleach-blond girls wearing perfect makup, that will suck men's dicks like the ones in the porn films do.

 

[redtheviking]

Strap-on?

 

[ficklefun]

Strap-on?

Please!!

 

[Neon_Ultra]

I'm straight. A bad straight, but straight nevertheless. Not gay. Not bi.
However, just like the original poster, I feel most comfortable in this forum, and for a number of reasons (e.g. cock fetish, deviance, lifestyle choices, certain tastes, openmindedness, my own look, pleasure at conversing with GLBTers, freedom from scorn).
I personally feel that GLBT shouldn't really be quite so elitist and xenophobic - otherwise it just sinks down to the same level as the straight side of the fence, and ostracizes people - just like straight sections might do the same to them. Yes, I get it, this is YOUR area. But there are aspects of the culture, character, stories and personalities that interest the straights, and pervade into our minds - and we would like the opportunity to engage you with our own desires and personalities.
The borders of GLBT and the Outside shouldn't be as strict as the US borders, they should instead allow a free-flow of people who want to express things that have a connection to the GLBT lifestyle, even if not strictly 'gay'.
Like has been mentioned, the 'bisexual' part is sorely neglected, and naturally bisexuality also includes acts with the opposite sex. I would claim that while it is right that strapon play with the opposite sex is not gay nor bisexual - it DOES have implications of a nature that has some connection with the GLBT culture. And I think this is a perfectly healthy and great thing yadayada.
But basically, people who want to find a place to express themselves in a certain way might well find themselves most comfortable here, and the intensely phallic (the next best thing to a cock itself) concept of the strapon has a definite and undeniable (it is made to represent a MAN'S PENIS) connection to the GLBT world - even if not a complete and defining one, and that will not cease, especially given the nature of our societies far-too-slow changing attitudes towards sexuality.

If you wanna say TL;DR - then a summary: I think a post about strap-on play has its place in GLBT. (And we don't want to be overrun with sucking cock threads )

 

[Stella_Omega]

Neon_Ultra, you are confusing fetish with gayness. Gay men... well, they mostly always like men in the whole. Not only cock. Gay men like the muscle, and body hair, the deep voices, the smell of masculine sweat that the dick is attached to. You see all of that as the useless stuff.

And, by the way, shaking your finger at the historic victims of elitism and xenophobia about being elitist and xenophobic on their own paltry little turf... excuse me while I laugh. Or maybe hurl.

really, it's a matter of respect. It's fine that you guys who don't actually like guys feel more at home here, among the guys who actually do like guys. But it would be polite, perhaps, to acknowledge that you are our guests, and that this forum might not be intended to revolve around you.

Maybe we should start a fetish forum? I would gladly visit it!

 

[none2_none2]

None2_none2, the men I am speaking about are straight men who want lesbians to be bleach-blond girls wearing perfect makup, that will suck men's dicks like the ones in the porn films do.

Yes I know. I was only trying to put some comic relief in this thread. Sometimes a thread gets way too ... "je ne sais quoi".

 

[Neon_Ultra]

Neon_Ultra, you are confusing fetish with gayness. Gay men... well, they mostly always like men in the whole. Not only cock. Gay men like the muscle, and body hair, the deep voices, the smell of masculine sweat that the dick is attached to. You see all of that as the useless stuff.

And, by the way, shaking your finger at the historic victims of elitism and xenophobia about being elitist and xenophobic on their own paltry little turf... excuse me while I laugh. Or maybe hurl.

really, it's a matter of respect. It's fine that you guys who don't actually like guys feel more at home here, among the guys who actually do like guys. But it would be polite, perhaps, to acknowledge that you are our guests, and that this forum might not be intended to revolve around you.

Maybe we should start a fetish forum? I would gladly visit it!

I was trying to stress that there was some kind of connection (between the phallus + male-recieving anal sex, to GLBT) rather than claiming anything like equivalence. I understand that not being gay myself I do not understand these things the same, but I consider myself to have some affinity with the bisexual side of things at least, and think that sexuality in general is far too varied and subtly nuanced to really make definitive statements on who should be most welcome within a forum.

As for the xenophobic comments, I should have figured that might cause some hostility, but I only meant it as just a bit of a tongue in cheek knowing nod more than a clear jibe or targeted attack of rhetoric. I know it's like comparing an apple to a tree and perhaps it was a dull move on my part to use any such comparison. The comment still stands without the comparison though. I don't like any exclusiveness, especially when its applied to a culture renowned for its openness (I assume, maybe this is naivety).

I don't expect at all that this forum should 'revolve around me' - like it should not revolve around anyone. Calling me a guest of yours seems a little patronising, I'm not exactly a red-blooded conservative meathead, and in many respects people not-on-this-forum could- and would - easily call me bisexual. I hope that I have a welcome place here, even if it would be bad form to talk about screwing chicks... But being screwed by them by a strap-on? I would argue that there's something in that - and people want to hear about it too here. There's also the (arguable) parallel with pre-op transexuals and - their artifices - girls with strapons. Of course, its a contentious issue and not one to be solved, so I should drop it.

And there should be a fetish forum. But perhaps all this is is me trying to make friends with people of differing and broadminded sexualities in order to console my own bizzare sexuality.


P.S. If I did not respect you definitive GLBTers, I would not be here.

 

[none2_none2]

I'm straight. A bad straight, but straight nevertheless. Not gay. Not bi.
However, just like the original poster, I feel most comfortable in this forum, and for a number of reasons (e.g. cock fetish, deviance, lifestyle choices, certain tastes, openmindedness, my own look, pleasure at conversing with GLBTers, freedom from scorn).
I personally feel that GLBT shouldn't really be quite so elitist and xenophobic - otherwise it just sinks down to the same level as the straight side of the fence, and ostracizes people - just like straight sections might do the same to them. Yes, I get it, this is YOUR area. But there are aspects of the culture, character, stories and personalities that interest the straights, and pervade into our minds - and we would like the opportunity to engage you with our own desires and personalities.
The borders of GLBT and the Outside shouldn't be as strict as the US borders, they should instead allow a free-flow of people who want to express things that have a connection to the GLBT lifestyle, even if not strictly 'gay'.
Like has been mentioned, the 'bisexual' part is sorely neglected, and naturally bisexuality also includes acts with the opposite sex. I would claim that while it is right that strapon play with the opposite sex is not gay nor bisexual - it DOES have implications of a nature that has some connection with the GLBT culture. And I think this is a perfectly healthy and great thing yadayada.
But basically, people who want to find a place to express themselves in a certain way might well find themselves most comfortable here, and the intensely phallic (the next best thing to a cock itself) concept of the strapon has a definite and undeniable (it is made to represent a MAN'S PENIS) connection to the GLBT world - even if not a complete and defining one, and that will not cease, especially given the nature of our societies far-too-slow changing attitudes towards sexuality.

If you wanna say TL;DR - then a summary: I think a post about strap-on play has its place in GLBT. (And we don't want to be overrun with sucking cock threads )

I too think it was a great post, and I'm very glad he posted it. I hope he feels free to post again.

Nevertheless, I would challenge you on your comment that GLBT's are being elitist and xenophobic.

Think about most of these non-gay guys who state that are only interested in cock. Isn't that rather elitist and xenophobic? Would a woman put up with a guy who said I don't like your looks, I don't like your body, I would never want to kiss you, I would never want to spend too much time with you, but I'd sure like to eat you out and make you squeal? I don't think even a lesbian would even put up with that attitude from another woman.

Seriously, I don't take it personally as I'm happily taken now. However, can you see how that attitude is VERY rude? As I have stated many a time, I may be gay but I really have no interest in penises. However, it cums with the territory -- no pun intended. Thus, even when I was not in a relationship, I always tried to consider every individual I had sex with as a human being. Sure I had some rather impersonal sex. I do regret those. Not because i didn't kiss them, fall in love, propose marriage, or spend the rest of my life with them; but rather because I never took the time to know them as a human being. A human being transcends body parts or body fluids. Even if you might see cum as a fine wine, I do hope you understand there is a difference between pouring wine out of a bottle vs getting a guy off. There is a human being behind a penis, not behind a bottle.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I was trying to stress that there was some kind of connection (between the phallus + male-recieving anal sex, to GLBT) rather than claiming anything like equivalence.

Something you should also consider that that many of us enjoy anal play and it has NO "pretend" relationship with a guys dick.

My spouse and I have a pretty wide variety of toys (including several strapons) and while there might be anal and vaginal penetration NEITHER of us are making believe we are a man, that we are having het sex or that (god forbid with a massive heart felt fucking EWWWW / YUCK) a man's dick.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was trying to stress that there was some kind of connection (between the phallus + male-recieving anal sex, to GLBT) rather than claiming anything like equivalence. I understand that not being gay myself I do not understand these things the same, but I consider myself to have some affinity with the bisexual side of things at least, and think that sexuality in general is far too varied and subtly nuanced to really make definitive statements on who should be most welcome within a forum.

Let me see you kissing another man, running your hand down his chest, mouthing his nipples, maybe burying your nose in his armpit.
Then I'll think you have some affinity with bisexual side of things.

Taking it up the ass is not always a part of gay sex. Hell, you would not believe the number of gay men who never take it up the ass! Mutual handjobs with dueling tongues, blowjobs, and just frotting against each other until you stick together in the middle-- those are also gay sex. Tell us how you feel about those things, please!

As for the xenophobic comments, I should have figured that might cause some hostility, but I only meant it as just a bit of a tongue in cheek knowing nod more than a clear jibe or targeted attack of rhetoric. I know it's like comparing an apple to a tree and perhaps it was a dull move on my part to use any such comparison. The comment still stands without the comparison though. I don't like any exclusiveness, especially when its applied to a culture renowned for its openness (I assume, maybe this is naivety).

it's also a culture renowned for getting thrown into jail, emergency rooms, and being fired once it comes out of the closet. You are picking and choosing what parts of gay life you want to share. That's naive, and priveleged, and presumptuous.

I don't expect at all that this forum should 'revolve around me' - like it should not revolve around anyone. Calling me a guest of yours seems a little patronising, I'm not exactly a red-blooded conservative meathead, and in many respects people not-on-this-forum could- and would - easily call me bisexual.

As far as calling you bisexual, see above. as far as who the forum should 'revolve around" the name should clue you in. Unless this is not actually a forum for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transsexuals-- Glue, Bacon Lettuce and Tomato maybe?

Or is it actually a forum for straight men to talk about their fantasies of what GLBT people ought to be? In that case, I vote we change the name of this forum to something more accurate.

I hope that I have a welcome place here, even if it would be bad form to talk about screwing chicks... But being screwed by them by a strap-on? I would argue that there's something in that - and people want to hear about it too here. There's also the (arguable) parallel with pre-op transexuals and - their artifices - girls with strapons. Of course, its a contentious issue and not one to be solved, so I should drop it.

Yeah, and I want to hear about you getting done with a strapon! But I don't want to hear your defensiveness, and I am really not sure where you were going with your pre-op transsexuals line and I really don't think I want to know. Speaking of which, why is there a thread of men complaining about their wives, in this forum?

And there should be a fetish forum. But perhaps all this is is me trying to make friends with people of differing and broadminded sexualities in order to console my own bizzare sexuality.

Like I said, if you posted these stories to a fetish forum, I would be there a lot-- sharing my fetishes right back atcha. That way, when I came to the GLBT forum, i would have some idea that there would be GLBT people talking about GLBT-nesses.

P.S. If I did not respect you definitive GLBTers, I would not be here.

Can you enlarge on this? In what ways do you respect GLBT folk? How do you show it? Can you think of reasons GLBT should respect you? Can you think of ways to earn respect?

I sound like a vicious bully, I know. But I spent two weeks with a friend in the hospital in June, while his bones knitted back together after being attacked. And I have been hearing about a town in the midwest where six lesbians-- so far-- have been raped. Their attacker tells them he's going to "cure them." And you know we lost our rights to same-sex marriage once more in Maine, by a 3% margin.

So...

 

[none2_none2]

Something you should also consider that that many of us enjoy anal play and it has NO "pretend" relationship with a guys dick.

My spouse and I have a pretty wide variety of toys (including several strapons) and while there might be anal and vaginal penetration NEITHER of us are making believe we are a man, that we are having het sex or that (god forbid with a massive heart felt fucking EWWWW / YUCK) a man's dick.

I wish I could say that when I engage in anal sex with my partner that I think of God, the flag & country; or apple pie & baseball; or butterflies & rainbows; or chocolate and flowers. Unfortunately, my thoughts go to the dark side of the force. I think about how masculine, hairy, and attractive my MAN is -- especially back there.

So I guess the moral of my comments is that the universe will always have to deal with the darker side!

 

[none2_none2]

...Hell, you would not believe the number of gay men who never take it up the ass! Mutual handjobs with dueling tongues, blowjobs, and just frotting against each other until you stick together in the middle-- those are also gay sex. Tell us how you feel about those things, please!...

Yes, there are Shirley Temple gay guys as well as gay guys who have a twisted mind and see anal sex as some how Politically Incorrect because somehow it is mimicking hetero sex. Luckily, while plenty of gay guys may claim to only know how to sing "On the good ship lollipop", they tend to know a few more songs in reality - including some good missionary songs. I just love those missionary songs! Call me old fashioned.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I wish I could say that when I engage in anal sex with my partner that I think of God, the flag & country; or apple pie & baseball; or butterflies & rainbows; or chocolate and flowers. Unfortunately, my thoughts go to the dark side of the force. I think about how masculine, hairy, and attractive my MAN is -- especially back there.

So I guess the moral of my comments is that the universe will always have to deal with the darker side!

Wordy macword, dude.

Likewise, Safe Bet's comments-- same damn word.

I am bisexual, and someone here or on some other thread-- was it you?-- said it best; "When I'm with a man I'm straight, when I'm with a woman I'm a big ol' dyke."

I cannot, and would never want to, pretend a cock wasn't attached to a person-- nor a strapon. And anyone who gets fucked by my strapon will know exactly who is fucking them.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes, there are Shirley Temple gay guys as well as gay guys who have a twisted mind and see anal sex as some how Politically Incorrect because somehow it is mimicking hetero sex. Luckily, while plenty of gay guys may claim to only know how to sing "On the good ship lollipop", they tend to know a few more songs in reality - including some good missionary songs. I just love those missionary songs! Call me old fashioned.

Do you speak in tongues too?

 

[Shadowann2]

<snip>
Ummmm, did you learn to be a bitch like this in the GB???? Wanna go back, please???

No, I don't. Why is it ok for others to express their opinion about the situation, but not for me? Yes, I spend most of my time on the GB, but since I am bi, I feel I have a right to be here as much as anyone else. I followed this thread from the first post. I thought the story was hot and checked back several times to see what other thought, or if another story was posted. I expressed my opinion, and I stand by it. I'm glad she apologized, and now we can all move on. Get off your high horse.

 

[johnie ringo]

BAck to the real reason....

It was noonish on Wednesday. I was busy getting some fishing gear together to go on a little trip with my son and a few friends later that night. I had my gear strung out on the floor, deep in thought on which gear I was going to use that night. Out of the corner of the room, I caught a glimpse of my wife. She stood there in only a long tee shirt.
I love mid day romps just as much as the next person, but c-mon couldn't she see I was busy? These thoughts and feelings wuickly dissipated when I noticed the bulge that was making a little tent in her shirt! A strap on? NOw?
My cock instantly jumped to attention. This was something that we normally plan for and talk about before hand. I looked at her bewildered, she just bekoned me forward.
I quickly moved to her side of the room. Pulled her close, stripping her of her shirt. OUr coks rubbed together, my precum moistening the length of her cok. The passion was intense as I kissed and grabbed at her body. My mouth moved from her lips, to her breasts, to her belly and finally to her cok. I cleaned the precum that was on it as she moved my head back and forth apon it.

She guided me to the big futon in the corner of the room. Laying me on my back, she returned the favor to me, kissing from my nick down to my leaking cok. A puddle of pre cum was collecting on my belly, my cok oozing with delight. Her tongue gathering as much as she could, She raised her mouth to mine letting me savor the taste of myself.
She raised my legs up over her shoulders, I lay there, antiscipating the entry. We quickly entered a great pace, her thrusts pushing her cok deep inside of me. I felt so at ease sensing not only the pleasure of her cok burried deep inside of me, but the intense emotional connection that was happening. We were not having sex, as much as she was making love to me. The tenderness and emotional fullfilment got stronger with the passing of each second, I wondered to myself if this is how she feels when I make love to her.

We continued in this position for fifteen or so minutes. I held her head close to my chest as our bodies moved as one. We looked deeply into each others eyes, her lips started to quiver, she was going to cum. I held her closer, bucked back harder, urging her orgasm to cum. As she came, she thrust deep inside of me, her body shaking with the intensity. This was a new one for us, and I can not even explain the emotions that were flooding my mind.
As she came down from her first climax, she reached behind her, taking one of her favorite vibrators out and started massging her clit. We worked like this for another two orgasms, her body shaking with each one, making the cok still burried in me twinge with her.

With out warning, she pulled from deep in me. Turning around, she offered her cok and clit for me to suck, and we were now in a perfect 69 position. I mostly concentrated on her pussy, savering the sweet smell and taste, burying my head as deep as I could, licking and sucking with a passion.
Her last orgasm came at the same time as mine. Both of our bodies tensed and shook. She slowly lifted herself from my cok, raising her mouth to mine. I opened up and was rewarded with a mouth full of cum that she had just milked from my cok.

 

[Neon_Ultra]

I too think it was a great post, and I'm very glad he posted it. I hope he feels free to post again.

Nevertheless, I would challenge you on your comment that GLBT's are being elitist and xenophobic.

Think about most of these non-gay guys who state that are only interested in cock. Isn't that rather elitist and xenophobic? Would a woman put up with a guy who said I don't like your looks, I don't like your body, I would never want to kiss you, I would never want to spend too much time with you, but I'd sure like to eat you out and make you squeal? I don't think even a lesbian would even put up with that attitude from another woman.

Seriously, I don't take it personally as I'm happily taken now. However, can you see how that attitude is VERY rude? As I have stated many a time, I may be gay but I really have no interest in penises. However, it cums with the territory -- no pun intended. Thus, even when I was not in a relationship, I always tried to consider every individual I had sex with as a human being. Sure I had some rather impersonal sex. I do regret those. Not because i didn't kiss them, fall in love, propose marriage, or spend the rest of my life with them; but rather because I never took the time to know them as a human being. A human being transcends body parts or body fluids. Even if you might see cum as a fine wine, I do hope you understand there is a difference between pouring wine out of a bottle vs getting a guy off. There is a human being behind a penis, not behind a bottle.

You raise an interesting point. If you wish to apply the concept of elitism to individual sexual tastes on others, then that raises a huuuuuuge other ballgame of controversy. In fact, your complaint against me seems to be one that it is rude to objectify (which is something I probably shouldn't get into, it's too big an argument).
I do not intend to be rude, and I would like to think I have taken care in all my posts not to be. If me claiming I only like cock is rude simply because it is, then that is unavoidable, but I do not attack others in any fashion - I merely state my personal tastes. My own straightness should not be an affront to any of you UNLESS I push it in your face with a sense of superiority or whatever.
I cannot help that I do not seek more than cock, it is a fetish just like countless other things may to be others. To use the best analogy, it is the same as someone saying how much I love tits. Yes, some may find it rude, but it is simply a matter of personal preference, and IMHO as long as I don't level insults under my words it shouldn't be taken as anything more.

I understand you have a vastly deeper appreciation than me for everything that is true to GLBT. But it seems that from your point I must be pushing myself deeper in order to be accepted here, and that concentrating on the barest, shallowest level of sexuality and nothing else is inappropriate for what is essentially a forum based on erotic fiction - *most* of which is largely unromantic and focused on pure desire (and objectification, heavily present in most fantasies).

 

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Let me see you kissing another man, running your hand down his chest, mouthing his nipples, maybe burying your nose in his armpit.
Then I'll think you have some affinity with bisexual side of things.

Taking it up the ass is not always a part of gay sex. Hell, you would not believe the number of gay men who never take it up the ass! Mutual handjobs with dueling tongues, blowjobs, and just frotting against each other until you stick together in the middle-- those are also gay sex. Tell us how you feel about those things, please!

it's also a culture renowned for getting thrown into jail, emergency rooms, and being fired once it comes out of the closet. You are picking and choosing what parts of gay life you want to share. That's naive, and priveleged, and presumptuous.

As far as calling you bisexual, see above. as far as who the forum should 'revolve around" the name should clue you in. Unless this is not actually a forum for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transsexuals-- Glue, Bacon Lettuce and Tomato maybe?

Or is it actually a forum for straight men to talk about their fantasies of what GLBT people ought to be? In that case, I vote we change the name of this forum to something more accurate.

Yeah, and I want to hear about you getting done with a strapon! But I don't want to hear your defensiveness, and I am really not sure where you were going with your pre-op transsexuals line and I really don't think I want to know. Speaking of which, why is there a thread of men complaining about their wives, in this forum?
Like I said, if you posted these stories to a fetish forum, I would be there a lot-- sharing my fetishes right back atcha. That way, when I came to the GLBT forum, i would have some idea that there would be GLBT people talking about GLBT-nesses.

Can you enlarge on this? In what ways do you respect GLBT folk? How do you show it? Can you think of reasons GLBT should respect you? Can you think of ways to earn respect?

I sound like a vicious bully, I know. But I spent two weeks with a friend in the hospital in June, while his bones knitted back together after being attacked. And I have been hearing about a town in the midwest where six lesbians-- so far-- have been raped. Their attacker tells them he's going to "cure them." And you know we lost our rights to same-sex marriage once more in Maine, by a 3% margin.

So...

Okay, so I don't have affinity with the bisexual side of things to anywhere near the degree you - or other GLBTers - would like. But in a matter of perspective, I would like to believe I have a little more in common with this side of things than many other straight males do. Perhaps that sounds like arrogance, I don't mean it to, and I understand you are hard pressed not to mock that without knowing me personally.

Also, I am taken aback by your attack that I am picking and choosing what I want to share, and that I should be sharing all the GLBT mishaps and neglect that they suffer from society and others. Look, I went to a school where no-one was openly gay OR bisexual, boys OR girls. One girl came out as bisexual and got destroyed for it. I know what it's like to be bullied and hassled and started on and discriminated against for being different - especially as I have long hair which is near a death sentence where I lived most my life, and is still pretty bad in the rest of the UK. Yes, yes, it's not the same as being gay. I know you guys have it a lot harder, and I'll never claim to be equal in this. But I want to make sure you know I'm not this towering "haha I'm straight I can walk about the planet at ease looking for poontang" dick of a dick. I AM NOT PRIVILEGED. We all share hardship. Again, if you take that as straight-arrogance, then perhaps I am not saying it right.

I find myself on the defensive purely because I have been put on it, trying to justify that I shouldn't suddenly lose all value and become some irritating pest hassling those on the other side of the apartheid fence. Ignore that offensive analogy, I make them all the time.

Why is there a thread about men complaining about their wives? I don't know, what's the relevance to the rest of your post

As for respect, I respect GLBTers for who they are, for showing who they are, and for being proud of who they are. I do not come from a liberal place in terms of things like this. It was only my time at uni that I even met any gay people, and then only a couple and I don't know them that well. But my own life has led me to respect them a lot in terms of their lifestyle choice, their deviance from the 'norm', their ideals and principles, and their courage. And oh yes, because I hate their detractors.
How do I show my respect? By being polite, by not insulting any of you unless provoked, by not chiding you or being scornful or prejudiced. By talking to all of you as the strong and deep human individuals you all are - and expecting myself not to be treated as a minority, even though I am one here.
Why should GLBTers respect me? I can't answer that. I just hope you're all good people. And when it comes to mutual respect, I don't think sexuality should even come into it.

Argh I shouldn't have even posted in this thread