Who has it better than me?

[Safe_Bet]

Okay, so I don't have affinity with the bisexual side of things to anywhere near the degree you - or other GLBTers - would like. But in a matter of perspective, I would like to believe I have a little more in common with this side of things than many other straight males do. Perhaps that sounds like arrogance, I don't mean it to, and I understand you are hard pressed not to mock that without knowing me personally.

Also, I am taken aback by your attack that I am picking and choosing what I want to share, and that I should be sharing all the GLBT mishaps and neglect that they suffer from society and others. Look, I went to a school where no-one was openly gay OR bisexual, boys OR girls. One girl came out as bisexual and got destroyed for it. I know what it's like to be bullied and hassled and started on and discriminated against for being different - especially as I have long hair which is near a death sentence where I lived most my life, and is still pretty bad in the rest of the UK. Yes, yes, it's not the same as being gay. I know you guys have it a lot harder, and I'll never claim to be equal in this. But I want to make sure you know I'm not this towering "haha I'm straight I can walk about the planet at ease looking for poontang" dick of a dick. I AM NOT PRIVILEGED. We all share hardship. Again, if you take that as straight-arrogance, then perhaps I am not saying it right.

I find myself on the defensive purely because I have been put on it, trying to justify that I shouldn't suddenly lose all value and become some irritating pest hassling those on the other side of the apartheid fence. Ignore that offensive analogy, I make them all the time.

Why is there a thread about men complaining about their wives? I don't know, what's the relevance to the rest of your post

As for respect, I respect GLBTers for who they are, for showing who they are, and for being proud of who they are. I do not come from a liberal place in terms of things like this. It was only my time at uni that I even met any gay people, and then only a couple and I don't know them that well. But my own life has led me to respect them a lot in terms of their lifestyle choice, their deviance from the 'norm', their ideals and principles, and their courage. And oh yes, because I hate their detractors.
How do I show my respect? By being polite, by not insulting any of you unless provoked, by not chiding you or being scornful or prejudiced. By talking to all of you as the strong and deep human individuals you all are - and expecting myself not to be treated as a minority, even though I am one here.
Why should GLBTers respect me? I can't answer that. I just hope you're all good people. And when it comes to mutual respect, I don't think sexuality should even come into it.

Argh I shouldn't have even posted in this thread

Dude, I think you prolly mean everything that you say, but please understand where the distrust and some of the anger comes from:

1.) You get treated poorly because you have long hair. Shame on them. The difference is you have a choice of how you wear your hair. We don't have a choice like that. You made a decision to face the scorn and hatred that people dump on other people with long hair. Believe me, it's a lot worse when that hatred is dumped because of something completely out of your control and because you dare love somebody.

2. If every time you walk past a certain house a big brown dog comes out and tried to bite you, you will soon want to find a safer route (i.e. a forum dedicated to LGBTQ community) and will also become very leery of brown dogs (straight people who profess to be you friend then turn around and fuck you over). Not saying you are one of those, but trust and respect is earned, and until you earn it, don't expect us to immediately be friends with a big brown dog.

3. Understand that this is our LIFE you are talking about. We don't just visit "queerland" for a quick fun jaunt every now and then, then go home and tell our friends over cocktails "some of my best friends are gay". We haven't just met queers we ARE queer. 24/7. We wake up queer, go through the day queer and go to sleep queer. Meeting a couple of queers in college doesn't let you dig that. I understand your curiosity, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that we aren't a bunch of monkeys in the zoo. We aren't here for your pleasure or amusement. As a str8 guy you are one of "them". If you're trying to see if you are one of "us" and are trying to learn more about your "gay side", that's cool. If you are throwing peanuts to the monkeys because you think they are cute and funny, you're not as welcome.

Does that make sense to you?

BTW, that's the same way I feel about straight people who post het sex stories in a gay forum because it is where they "feel more comfortable". Wrong forum, wrong audience. That they have people who like their stories (many of which come, read and comment on the het story, but have no other interest in the LGBTQ community beyond the fetish described and certainly aren't queer) really doesn't make any difference. This forum has GLBT in the title for a reason, ya dig?

 

[Neon_Ultra]

Dude, I think you prolly mean everything that you say, but please understand where the distrust and some of the anger comes from:

1.) You get treated poorly because you have long hair. Shame on them. The difference is you have a choice of how you wear your hair. We don't have a choice like that. You made a decision to face the scorn and hatred that people dump on other people with long hair. Believe me, it's a lot worse when that hatred is dumped because of something completely out of your control and because you dare love somebody.

2. If every time you walk past a certain house a big brown dog comes out and tried to bite you, you will soon want to find a safer route (i.e. a forum dedicated to LGBTQ community) and will also become very leery of brown dogs (straight people who profess to be you friend then turn around and fuck you over). Not saying you are one of those, but trust and respect is earned, and until you earn it, don't expect us to immediately be friends with a big brown dog.

3. Understand that this is our LIFE you are talking about. We don't just visit "queerland" for a quick fun jaunt every now and then, then go home and tell our friends over cocktails "some of my best friends are gay". We haven't just met queers we ARE queer. 24/7. We wake up queer, go through the day queer and go to sleep queer. Meeting a couple of queers in college doesn't let you dig that. I understand your curiosity, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that we aren't a bunch of monkeys in the zoo. We aren't here for your pleasure or amusement. As a str8 guy you are one of "them". If you're trying to see if you are one of "us" and are trying to learn more about your "gay side", that's cool. If you are throwing peanuts to the monkeys because you think they are cute and funny, you're not as welcome.

Does that make sense to you?

BTW, that's the same way I feel about straight people who post het sex stories in a gay forum because it is where they "feel more comfortable". Wrong forum, wrong audience. That they have people who like their stories (many of which come, read and comment on the het story, but have no other interest in the LGBTQ community beyond the fetish described and certainly aren't queer) really doesn't make any difference. This forum has GLBT in the title for a reason, ya dig?

1. Yeah, that's where my case falls apart. Someone who didn't like homosexuals I suppose could say that they have the choice not to be open about their sexuality, but to me and you all that would be something like a betrayal and a constant denial of yourselves. I would hesitate to say (because it's a dumb and wildly out-of-proportion comparison) that it is similar to me - I could choose to show myself as more normal thus to conform to society, but I just can't because it would be a denial. At the end of the day though, our situations are very different and the matter of homosexuality not being a choice does elevate your hardship and struggle with the world.

2. Totally understood. I hope though that I am not stereotyped into another of these brown dogs. I am an individual and I don't associate myself with any group of people based on anything - race, nationality, sexuality, music, appearance, social status. If I am stereotyped I hope I can shake it off.

3. Understood. Of course I don't see you guys as monkeys or an attraction. It's not a curiosity, it's just a want to be friendly with people who are so different to people I meet in the real world, a need to associate myself with people who I can talk freely with without fear of scorn. Of course, if I do feel that I'm not welcome then I guess I will go elsewhere, but I'd like to hang for a bit.


Finally, I think a lot of this could be solved if there was a fetish forum. But even then, fetishes are such a mixed bag that people may be mean to those who like others. It's a difficult forum to be sure. I feel that if I post, say, a strapon thread in somewhere other than GLBT, that I will get a negative response.

 

[none2_none2]

You raise an interesting point. If you wish to apply the concept of elitism to individual sexual tastes on others, then that raises a huuuuuuge other ballgame of controversy. In fact, your complaint against me seems to be one that it is rude to objectify (which is something I probably shouldn't get into, it's too big an argument).
I do not intend to be rude, and I would like to think I have taken care in all my posts not to be. If me claiming I only like cock is rude simply because it is, then that is unavoidable, but I do not attack others in any fashion - I merely state my personal tastes. My own straightness should not be an affront to any of you UNLESS I push it in your face with a sense of superiority or whatever.
I cannot help that I do not seek more than cock, it is a fetish just like countless other things may to be others. To use the best analogy, it is the same as someone saying how much I love tits. Yes, some may find it rude, but it is simply a matter of personal preference, and IMHO as long as I don't level insults under my words it shouldn't be taken as anything more.

I understand you have a vastly deeper appreciation than me for everything that is true to GLBT. But it seems that from your point I must be pushing myself deeper in order to be accepted here, and that concentrating on the barest, shallowest level of sexuality and nothing else is inappropriate for what is essentially a forum based on erotic fiction - *most* of which is largely unromantic and focused on pure desire (and objectification, heavily present in most fantasies).

I'm sorry but I cannot follow your logic:

1) My complaint isn't aimed at you as an individual but that attitude. Imagine you wanted to do a study about a "fettish".

a) Could you walk up to a female and tell her that you really love tits, but that you don't find females the least bit attractive, would never want to marry one, and expect her to not feel insulted because you thow in a comment like you don't consider yourself superior to women and you would never call a woman a bitch?

b) Could you walk up to a black person and say you really love black cock/pussy (which ever), but that you don't find blacks the least bit attractive, would never want to marry one, and expect that person not to feel insulted because you threw in the comment that you are for civil rights and that you never use the n* word and that some of your best friends are black?

2) You stated "...appreciation than me for everything that is true to GLBT". What's with the true bit? Is there some GBLT truth that I missed at the last required-attendance international GLBT meeting. Perhaps I should have worn a hearing aides as I must have missed the truth... What I wrote about was about treating HUMAN BEINGS with respect. I wouldn't think that such is limited to the GLBT community.

3) This isn't about acceptance on THIS forum. If you have been on this forum for any length of time, you would know that moderators like Etoile aren't on some power trip or out to "cleanse non-PC thought". This is about thinking how your attitude is perceived here, another board, or out in the real world. As to your analogy that this is the same as loving tits unless that is the only part of women that you like.

Also realize that most cock fettish guys (gay, straight, bi, whatever) aren't that good at sex. I've had MANY partners over the years, and had plenty if issues with those with cock obcessions. Luckily, none of the teeth marks or hickys left permanent scars.

This idea that only a man knows how to please another man is another elitist attitude that typically comes out of the gay side of the cock fettish community.

I found that the only way to truly please another person (men in my case) is to explore their entire body. No two men have the same pleasure centers (well maybe twins are an exception -- no experience there). That is probably because the biggest sex organ is inside ones' head not the penis, balls, asshole, tits, mouth, or whatever.

 

[Neon_Ultra]

I'm sorry but I cannot follow your logic:

1) My complaint isn't aimed at you as an individual but that attitude. Imagine you wanted to do a study about a "fettish".

a) Could you walk up to a female and tell her that you really love tits, but that you don't find females the least bit attractive, would never want to marry one, and expect her to not feel insulted because you thow in a comment like you don't consider yourself superior to women and you would never call a woman a bitch?

b) Could you walk up to a black person and say you really love black cock/pussy (which ever), but that you don't find blacks the least bit attractive, would never want to marry one, and expect that person not to feel insulted because you threw in the comment that you are for civil rights and that you never use the n* word and that some of your best friends are black?

2) You stated "...appreciation than me for everything that is true to GLBT". What's with the true bit? Is there some GBLT truth that I missed at the last required-attendance international GLBT meeting. Perhaps I should have worn a hearing aides as I must have missed the truth... What I wrote about was about treating HUMAN BEINGS with respect. I wouldn't think that such is limited to the GLBT community.

3) This isn't about acceptance on THIS forum. If you have been on this forum for any length of time, you would know that moderators like Etoile aren't on some power trip or out to "cleanse non-PC thought". This is about thinking how your attitude is perceived here, another board, or out in the real world. As to your analogy that this is the same as loving tits unless that is the only part of women that you like.

Also realize that most cock fettish guys (gay, straight, bi, whatever) aren't that good at sex. I've had MANY partners over the years, and had plenty if issues with those with cock obcessions. Luckily, none of the teeth marks or hickys left permanent scars.

This idea that only a man knows how to please another man is another elitist attitude that typically comes out of the gay side of the cock fettish community.

I found that the only way to truly please another person (men in my case) is to explore their entire body. No two men have the same pleasure centers (well maybe twins are an exception -- no experience there). That is probably because the biggest sex organ is inside ones' head not the penis, balls, asshole, tits, mouth, or whatever.

1. a/b - Good counterexamples. I did not realise that I would cause offence with my comments. While I would not say such things while assuming myself as straight, it is conceivable to me that I could say such things (most likely online), if I declared myself as gay - where I would hope to just state my position from another side of the fence and not to insult an individual. If I said I was gay but I happen to like tits - but not girls - then I would like to believe I wouldn't cause offence, but I understand that it is possible. As our sexuality is not a choice, I would hope that this wouldn't cause offence - a gay guy shouldn't cause offence by saying "I like breasts but don't find women attractive", just like me saying "I like cocks but don't find guys attractive".
At the end of the day, I apologise for causing offence.

2. What I meant by that phrase was that basically you are a GLBTer and I am not, I am a straight guy hanging around here. I wasn't talking about respect in that bit.

3. I never made any move against Etoile. I was merely stating my opinion about 'straight' posts. I have no quarrel with Etoile.
"As to your analogy that this is the same as loving tits unless that is the only part of women that you like." - I don't quite understand what you mean by this, it doesn't feel like a complete sentence.


As to the rest of what you said, well I can't really speak about that, because for me the fetish isn't about worshipping some guy's cock, and slavering all over it. It is far more to do with me being dominated by them. The only way I could please a man is by being his object.
But you are right in that in a mutual sexual relationship, - one that feeds off each other - the best sexual organ is always the mind.

 

[TallOne]

How is this gay?

Bisexuals have straight sex too. Should they only share their gay experience here? If so, why bother with the "B" tag?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Neon_Ultra;

First of all, I want to thank you-- seriously-- for sticking to this conversation. I really mean that. That alone shows that you mean it when you say you respect GLBTers.

One thing to think about is that; If we didn't think it was worth it? people wouldn't be talking to you at all, they'd just put you on ignore. So getting hollered at is actually a sort of compliment. And I think it's a compliment to the GBLT that you are willing to be hollered at, and respond.

So, with that in mind.. one last hollering

The strength that GLBT people show is forced on us. Most of us would be quite happy to not have to show strength all day every day. And forums where being gay can be the default-- are places where we can relax.

So it would be polite of straight visitors to remember that gay people would love to not be reminded of-- I swear-- the very existence of straight sex. Just in one forum, yanno? Straight sex is EVERYWHERE ELSE, dude!

I do have one suggestion for this forum, if Etoile is following; really the most inclusive term for non-missionary-humpers is "queer," which (I think, anyway) includes fetishes like trans and cock. Suppose she changed the name of the forum to "Queer Chatter?"

 

[Neon_Ultra]

Thank you for responding to me politely and engagingly

I understand now that the main issue is me only arguing for things on the sexual level - the 'queer' level, that you put to including fetishes, and I declared some (albeit limited) connection with to strapon play. Whereas I guess most of you make a huge more distinction between this 'queerness' and 'being gay' - which is naturally of a lot deeper construct and character.

In a sense, in a very superficial sense, it's a slightly similar thing to a generic-pop fan going on a death metal forum and enthusiastically giving the others links to lame pop songs The metallers just want to get away from all that, amirite?

 

[johnie ringo]

huuh,
Tried to reclaim thread, but alas, you are all too deep in thought. Glad I could be a catalyst for such deep subjects, enjoy, the thread is relinquished.
Maybe next thread we can debate the whole, chicken or the egg debate. I sould assume this subject would be less personal, but then again....probably a ton of chicken and or egg fetish people out there as well!!! Enjoy, good meeting you all
Ringo

 

[Neon_Ultra]

Sorry to prevent you reclaiming the thread :\

Also, the egg came first. Because, if at some point during evolutionary history we could define a point - for our own helpful categorising benefit - where before it a creature was not a chicken and after it it was... then just before that point the non-chicken would have an egg, and then the is-a-chicken would hatch from it. But then, while that egg was the egg of a chicken, it wasn't a chicken's egg... Does this matter?

I know evolution is across far too wide a space of time to define such a point but it is handy for answering the chicken or egg question

 

[Stella_Omega]

If you're talking about the forum being the egg-- the egg came first. And, in fact, Etoile was the chicken that laid it...

In a sense, in a very superficial sense, it's a slightly similar thing to a generic-pop fan going on a death metal forum and enthusiastically giving the others links to lame pop songs The metallers just want to get away from all that, amirite?

AS far as superficial goes, that's pretty good!

 

[johnie ringo]

If you're talking about the forum being the egg-- the egg came first. And, in fact, Etoile was the chicken that laid it...
AS far as superficial goes, that's pretty good!

assuming that you are right with Etoile: I would beg to question...Who fertilized the egg? Ponderous, fucking ponderous

 

[Stella_Omega]

assuming that you are right with Etoile: I would beg to question...Who fertilized the egg? Ponderous, fucking ponderous

Do ideas need a mommy and a daddy?

 

[johnie ringo]

Ideas...no.. reality yes.
I like the thought process. Nothing is clean or free.

Assuming the egg is of the warm blooded kin, a male and female is needed for fertilization; however, with modern scince, copulation is not needed....sooo???????

 

[Stella_Omega]

Dunno-- I don't dig pregnancy porn.

 

[Etoile]

assuming that you are right with Etoile: I would beg to question...Who fertilized the egg? Ponderous, fucking ponderous

Yes, the GLBT Chatter forum was my idea. I proposed it to Laurel in May 2003 and she liked the idea. So there you go...this place has two mommies.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Yes, the GLBT Chatter forum was my idea. I proposed it to Laurel in May 2003 and she liked the idea. So there you go...this place has two mommies.

*Snerk*

 

[none2_none2]

Dude, I think you prolly mean everything that you say, but please understand where the distrust and some of the anger comes from:

1.) You get treated poorly because you have long hair. Shame on them. The difference is you have a choice of how you wear your hair. We don't have a choice like that. You made a decision to face the scorn and hatred that people dump on other people with long hair. Believe me, it's a lot worse when that hatred is dumped because of something completely out of your control and because you dare love somebody...

Sorry,
But I just have to add my 2 cents to this part of your comment. At first I wasn't following you, but I figured that your comment relates to Neo's pic...

I will say this that things such as hair length aren't always totally about a whim. I was born with a birth defect for which I have always worn my hair long enough to cover it up. Imagine being a male with long hair in the 60's in the rural US and then living for a time with a parent in the military. Discrimination for hair length (at least then was REAL). I was accused of being a hippy (liberal) as well as a drug user. I was branded a sissy no matter what I did. I was despised by adult "straight" men that got confused on initial look -- as if some how I was bating them.

Yes technically you could say it was a choice. But a choice between what? No matter what I went through, I can hold my head high and say that I never got pity for having a birth defect as most did not know. I remember specifically one "supposed" friend in 6th grade once asked me why I wore my hair long despite all the taunts and fights it got me into. I confided to him why I wore my hair long. He responded, that I should still cut my hair as no one would hold my birth defect against me. I responded that if that is true, then why do they hold the length of my hair against me? He shut up, and that was the last time I considered him a close friend.

And no, the hatred can be just as vicious -- or I should say was in the 60's and 70's. Again, my hair wasn't dirty, wasn't died, wasn't knotted like a birds nest (or whatever that style is called). Nothing was unusual about it except that it was just long enough to hide my ears. It is amazing that humans can have such vile hatred over a couple of inches of hair.

 

[none2_none2]

I do have one suggestion for this forum, if Etoile is following; really the most inclusive term for non-missionary-humpers is "queer," which (I think, anyway) includes fetishes like trans and cock. Suppose she changed the name of the forum to "Queer Chatter?"

Do keep in mind that NOT all GLBT people like the term queer. Considering it was the derogatory term used in my day, I will never use it as it is a highly offensive term. To use it is as stupid as assuming that all black people would readily accept using the n* word for their forum and that within their own culture they ALL refer to each other that way. An other example would be to say that handicapped people would be ok with a forum called Cripple Chatter.

 

[Neon_Ultra]

@ none2_none2

Yeah, I also use my long hair to cover up horrid moles on my back



Btw, if anyone here is from the Southern States, what do they think of guys with very long hair down there? Are they alright about it (as much as anywhere) or should I expect a lot of hassle - I'm going travelling there across the states next year (sorry to hijack the thread, just briefly).

 

[none2_none2]

1. a/b - Good counterexamples. I did not realise that I would cause offence with my comments. While I would not say such things while assuming myself as straight, it is conceivable to me that I could say such things (most likely online), if I declared myself as gay - where I would hope to just state my position from another side of the fence and not to insult an individual. If I said I was gay but I happen to like tits - but not girls - then I would like to believe I wouldn't cause offence, but I understand that it is possible. As our sexuality is not a choice, I would hope that this wouldn't cause offence - a gay guy shouldn't cause offence by saying "I like breasts but don't find women attractive", just like me saying "I like cocks but don't find guys attractive".
At the end of the day, I apologise for causing offence.

2. What I meant by that phrase was that basically you are a GLBTer and I am not, I am a straight guy hanging around here. I wasn't talking about respect in that bit.

3. I never made any move against Etoile. I was merely stating my opinion about 'straight' posts. I have no quarrel with Etoile.
"As to your analogy that this is the same as loving tits unless that is the only part of women that you like." - I don't quite understand what you mean by this, it doesn't feel like a complete sentence.


As to the rest of what you said, well I can't really speak about that, because for me the fetish isn't about worshipping some guy's cock, and slavering all over it. It is far more to do with me being dominated by them. The only way I could please a man is by being his object.
But you are right in that in a mutual sexual relationship, - one that feeds off each other - the best sexual organ is always the mind.

You don't owe me or anyone else here an apology. Again, this is not about something "you" particularity said. It is about the attitude that people espouse, so don't feel like you have to tip-toe around and apologize. Just think of it in terms of other human beings around you. I too have my preferences. As I have stated many times, I don't crave cock, but you can label me gay. Periodically, I state my lack of preference for cock on this forum more to shake people up and realize that there isn't this sexual mold that we all fit into. I don't say it to find partners, as I'm happily taken.

Personally, there are plenty of times I feel almost on the extreme fringes of the GLBT world. For instance, I cannot relate at all to this whole attitude about sexual orientation. My desires are my preferences. Orientation to me borders on begging for acceptance out of some notion of "pity me as I cannot help myself". If you were attracted to dwarfs and married one (obviously opposite sex since most places in the world don't truly recognize same sex marriages), would you tell people who frowned on the size difference that it was your "orientation"? I wouldn't. I'd simply tell them to fuck off, and that I choose to marry the person who I PREFER to marry.

It sounds like you are trying to give me respect for being GLBT, but I'm not sure what that means. GLBT is just another label to me. I really don't care for labels. Sometimes I think it is more that am not and would never want to be a straight man. Straight sex talks and attitudes seem so controlled and inflexible. There seems to be WAY too many rules and regulations to be a straight guy. For instance, it seems so important to a straight guy NOT to find men attractive. Where as for gay guys, you don't HAVE to state or feel that you find women unattractive -- just that you DO find men attractive.

I'm not attracted to that many males. Do note that I am much more attracted to the male that I do find attractive than I would be to some females that I find attractive. So that is why a gay label seems more appropriate for me. What I DO find disgusting about straightness is the "expectation" of attraction to the opposite sex. Years ago, I remember being in a mixed gay bar. For the first time, I saw two lesbians dancing. The one literally had her legs wrapped around her partner at a 90 degree angle from her. It was wild and highly a turn on. But the biggest part of the turn on was that I could FREELY choose to find it erotic without the expectation that I HAD to find it erotic and that I HAD to want to interrupt their lives and force myself on them.

Sometimes I wish EVERY guy was gay, not so I could fuck every dude that I wanted to, but so they would shut up about just how straight they are. To me, there really isn't a female form anymore than there is a male form. Sure they have vaginas/breasts and we have dicks and balls. However, beyond that we are all physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually individuals.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Do keep in mind that NOT all GLBT people like the term queer. Considering it was the derogatory term used in my day, I will never use it as it is a highly offensive term. To use it is as stupid as assuming that all black people would readily accept using the n* word for their forum and that within their own culture they ALL refer to each other that way. An other example would be to say that handicapped people would be ok with a forum called Cripple Chatter.

You are right. I love the term myself, most likely because I never had it applied to me derogatorily, unlike so many others... Ah, the prices we pay for inclusive language! But I'd rather be inclusive than witty. Most of the time.

Where as for gay guys, you don't HAVE to state or feel that you find women unattractive -- just that you DO find men attractive.

Well, that would be nice if it were true. But there are plenty of gay circles that go out of their way to establish a disgust for women and their slimy parts, as part of their raison d'etre. I have seen that dissipate since the 80's at least...

You're very cool to talk with, none2, I appreciate your self awareness

 

[glamorilla]

• There is no such thing as a hostile take over of a thread. Anybody can say what ever they want in ANY thread. INCLUDING the Mod. In this case she tried to bring up a discussion of the FACT that getting fucked in the ass by a woman is hetero sex unless you're a lesbian. Discussion of str8 sex acts don't belong in a LGBTQ forum.

Ummmm, did you learn to be a bitch like this in the GB???? Wanna go back, please???

not taking any sides here but you do realize the irony in stating anybody can say anything they want here and then finishing with the definition of censorship.

 

[Stella_Omega]

not taking any sides here but you do realize the irony in stating anybody can say anything they want here and then finishing with the definition of censorship.

You exhibit a common misunderstanding of the term 'censorship.'

 

[gloriann]

Yes, the GLBT Chatter forum was my idea. I proposed it to Laurel in May 2003 and she liked the idea. So there you go...this place has two mommies.

And an awesome forum it is, thank you, Etoile.

 

[none2_none2]

You are right. I love the term myself, most likely because I never had it applied to me derogatorily, unlike so many others... Ah, the prices we pay for inclusive language! But I'd rather be inclusive than witty. Most of the time.

Well, that would be nice if it were true. But there are plenty of gay circles that go out of their way to establish a disgust for women and their slimy parts, as part of their raison d'etre. I have seen that dissipate since the 80's at least...

You're very cool to talk with, none2, I appreciate your self awareness

I guess I don't find the word inclusive because of its history. Granted "GLBT" doesn't roll off the tongue -- it sounds more like what it would sound like if you were choking on jello. Since I'm neither young nor a political activist, I accept that others love the word and leave at that. I just cannot relate to it at all. To give another analogy, imagine that people from Asia felt that they needed a pan-Asian name so as to included east Asians, south Asians, Middle Easterners, Pacific Islanders, etc... Such a diverse group would be poorly represented if they used the term for one group. But just imagine such a group looking for derogatory term to come up with an "umbrella" term for all of them...

So what I'm saying is I'm surprised that there wasn't some more historically-neutral term or perhaps one originating from within the group or old an out-dated derogatory term that is so old that anybody insulted by it has long since passed away. One that I like is Uranian. If it was considered derogatory, the people offended by it have long since died. Plus I like the idea that is so inclusive that it has a word that could also be used for an entire planet. (I just love the name of that Planet -- pun intended.) If you are closeted, you can let it slip out and if you have to take it back you can say you meant to say Ukranian or Iranian. It also sounds fundamental to existence (elemental) -- like in the periodic table. I think the biggest thing about all of us is that we like to "belong" to the human family, and not treated as an abhorrent footnote to what otherwise would have been a Garden of Eden on this planet if we didn't exist.

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Thanks for the complement. I wish I felt the same way about "me". I definitely don't feel that self-aware. I'm most likely going to loose my job before the end of the year, and have worried about money and finding another job that pays well in this economy & at my age. Those fears along with sleep apnea are why I can be awake and posting between 3-6am in my timezone. Many times I wish I was something other than an aging, fattened, infertile, male. As much as I love my animals, I wish they were kids. I feel that my time will be up in a few years and I'll not really have passed on much. I envy straights -- not for some ticket to heaven for normalcy, but because of the continuity of generations. All the love that I got from my grandma when she was alive will never be shared as she shared with me the love she had with her parents, siblings, and grandparents, gets truly buried when my time is up like a torch out of fuel.

I'm so grateful for my loving animals. Even more so, I'm thankful I have my partner. We have our issues, but he still puts up with me. I guess that is probably the one reason I just cannot relate anymore to people who crave a body part but not the human behind it. I'd be a lost soul with out him -- not his ass, not his body hair, not his cock/balls, but his essence. He keeps me sane, and gives me a purpose. (Gosh, I sound SO co-dependent!)

If he had cancer of the rectum, testicles, penis, or whatever, I still wouldn't leave him. If he checked into the hospital for surgery and they got his chart mixed up with a sex-change procedure, I still wouldn't leave him. I'll be 50 in less than a month and it took almost half a century to find another human being who could tolerate all my #@&$*(, there is no way in hell that I'd go back to hunting for a perfect body part. I don't hate or dislike those who do, but I think they are really missing out. Way too many people worry about whether they are gay/straight/bi or if they can find the perfect cock/balls/ass/pussy/breasts/uvula/whatever and too little time thinking about who actually enjoys hanging around them when the orgasm is over and it is just the two of them alone together.

Time for some more zzzzzzzzzz's as it is almost 6am!