Who Invented Palestinian Nationalism and Why? | Explained

[RobDownSouth]

Palestine meets none of the criteria of a sovereign state. It doesn’t have a well-defined territory, a permanent population, or an independent government. It has no economy, no industry, no exports. It’s just a collection of armed gangs propped up by international donations.

You are absolutely 100% correct, Palestine meets virtually NONE of the requirements of a sovereign state.....and yet 80% of the entire United Nations has opted to recognize Palestinian sovreignity!

Life isn't fair, is it?

The root cause of this imbroglio, of course, was the atrocities foisted upon the Palestinian people by the murderous Zionist thugs in power in Israel conducting a horrific ethnic cleansing campaign, along with the government policy of starving children, and then accepting no responsibility for their horrible war crimes. (Until very recently, they could count on the support of their financial sugar daddy America to block accountabiity).

But not even the might of the United States of America could prevent the world rising up and delivering a thundering rebuke against Israel's grotesque genocidal campaign by recognizing Palestine as a state. You can argue the rationale from no until the heat death of the universe but Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state.

Israel's "brand" is so toxic worldwide right now that American politicians are actually declining "hush money" from AIPAC for the first time in memory, and actually using that as a virtue signal to the American public.

The Israeli government has shit the proverbial bed, and if America decides to end their "special relationship" with their abusive friend Israel, Israel will not long survive. More and more people are saying that might be a good thing.

No country has a "right to exist"....even Israel.

 

[RobDownSouth]

ok why nobody called for a Palestinian state between 1949 and 1967?

Don't know.
Don't care.
One of those mysteries of life, I suppose.
Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state regardless.

 

[Rightguide]

You are absolutely 100% correct, Palestine meets virtually NONE of the requirements of a sovereign state.....and yet 80% of the entire United Nations has opted to recognize Palestinian sovreignity!

Life isn't fair, is it?

The root cause of this imbroglio, of course, was the atrocities foisted upon the Palestinian people by the murderous Zionist thugs in power in Israel conducting a horrific ethnic cleansing campaign, along with the government policy of starving children, and then accepting no responsibility for their horrible war crimes. (Until very recently, they could count on the support of their financial sugar daddy America to block accountabiity).

But not even the might of the United States of America could prevent the world rising up and delivering a thundering rebuke against Israel's grotesque genocidal campaign by recognizing Palestine as a state. You can argue the rationale from no until the heat death of the universe but Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state.

Israel's "brand" is so toxic worldwide right now that American politicians are actually declining "hush money" from AIPAC for the first time in memory, and actually using that as a virtue signal to the American public.

The Israeli government has shit the proverbial bed, and if America decides to end their "special relationship" with their abusive friend Israel, Israel will not long survive. More and more people are saying that might be a good thing.

No country has a "right to exist"....even Israel.

You’ve managed to stack slogans, moral absolutism, and historical amnesia into one impressively overwrought pant drenching. Yes, some UN members recognize “Palestine.” That’s a political gesture, not a magic spell that conjures borders, a monopoly on force, functioning institutions, or even a unified government. Recognition without sovereignty is just applause without substance.

Calling Israel’s actions “genocide” doesn’t make it so, especially when the population you claim is being exterminated has grown dramatically over the past decades. Words have meanings, not just emotional payloads you can lob when facts get inconvenient.

As for the UN’s “thundering rebuke,” this is the same body where serial human-rights abusers sit in judgment, and where resolutions against Israel outnumber those against Syria, Iran, North Korea, and Russia combined. That’s not moral clarity, it’s political porn theater.

The AIPAC fantasy is cute too. American politicians aren’t having a moral awakening; they’re following domestic political winds, as they always have. Confusing opportunism with virtue is a rookie mistake, rookie.

And the phony line “no country has a right to exist” is where your mask finally slips. That argument doesn’t liberate Palestinians; it's you justifying perpetual war and erasing the only Jewish state on Earth while pretending it’s a form of enlightened realism. If that’s your endgame, at least own it instead of dressing it up as a form of humanitarian concern. You're right life isn’t fair, but neither is history kind to people who confuse noise, votes, and hashtags with legitimacy, law, or reality.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Don't know.
Don't care.
One of those mysteries of life, I suppose.
Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state regardless.

There were no calls for a Palestinian state between 47 and 69 because the Arabs in Gaza were happy to live under Egyptian rule. The Arabs in Judea and Samaria were also happy to occupy the Jewish heartland that Jordan grabbed in 1947.

It was only when Egypt and Jordan lost the ‘68 war that “Palestinian” was invented as a national identity.

 

[Wilson23]

There were no calls for a Palestinian state between 47 and 69 because the Arabs in Gaza were happy to live under Egyptian rule. The Arabs in Judea and Samaria were also happy to occupy the Jewish heartland that Jordan grabbed in 1947.

It was only when Egypt and Jordan lost the ‘68 war that “Palestinian” was invented as a national identity.

And how could that have gone differently? OF COURSE they found a new national identity, if they could no longer be Egyptian or Jordanian and were definitely not Israeli.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And how could that have gone differently? OF COURSE they found a new national identity, if they could no longer be Egyptian or Jordanian and were definitely not Israeli.

There are plenty of Palestinian Arabs who refused to abandon their homes in 1948 when Israel’s Arab neighbors attacked. They and their descendants are Israelis now.

The world would be a much better place if the Jordanian and Egyptian refugees from the ‘68 war had been allowed to resettle in their respective countries. Israel absorbed the Jews driven out of their neighbors. Egypt and Jordan should have done the same.

 

[BeatMan]

You are absolutely 100% correct, Palestine meets virtually NONE of the requirements of a sovereign state.....and yet 80% of the entire United Nations has opted to recognize Palestinian sovreignity!

Life isn't fair, is it?

The root cause of this imbroglio, of course, was the atrocities foisted upon the Palestinian people by the murderous Zionist thugs in power in Israel conducting a horrific ethnic cleansing campaign, along with the government policy of starving children, and then accepting no responsibility for their horrible war crimes. (Until very recently, they could count on the support of their financial sugar daddy America to block accountabiity).

But not even the might of the United States of America could prevent the world rising up and delivering a thundering rebuke against Israel's grotesque genocidal campaign by recognizing Palestine as a state. You can argue the rationale from no until the heat death of the universe but Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state.

Israel's "brand" is so toxic worldwide right now that American politicians are actually declining "hush money" from AIPAC for the first time in memory, and actually using that as a virtue signal to the American public.

The Israeli government has shit the proverbial bed, and if America decides to end their "special relationship" with their abusive friend Israel, Israel will not long survive. More and more people are saying that might be a good thing.

No country has a "right to exist"....even Israel.

where is the ethnic cleansing? all you are doing is regurgitating terrorist propaganda


https://i.postimg.cc/fbGXDnCC/20645.jpg

 

[Wilson23]

No matter where Palestinian nationalism came from, we may be certain it is not going away.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There were no calls for a Palestinian state between 47 and 69 because the Arabs in Gaza were happy to live under Egyptian rule. The Arabs in Judea and Samaria were also happy to occupy the Jewish heartland that Jordan grabbed in 1947.

It was only when Egypt and Jordan lost the ‘68 war that “Palestinian” was invented as a national identity.

Again,
Don't know
Don't care to know.
Irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Again,
Don't know
Don't care to know.
Irrelevant to this discussion.

You've confidently spread lies about Israel on this message board. If you don't know anything about the history of the region, the responsible thing to do would be to keep your mouth shut.

 

[RobDownSouth]

where is the ethnic cleansing? all you are doing is regurgitating terrorist propaganda


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"Whar is ethnic cleansing?" is sealioning, an attempt to start a bad faith discussion. I'll pass.
Accusing me of "regurgitating terrorist propaganda" proves your bad faith beyond a reasonable doubt.

I will note for anyone who has made it to this point that the graphic that the islamophobic bigot posted above conviently ends around 2021, long before genocidal Israeli began their pogrom.

Notice how his graph ends in 2021....with the palestinian population around 5.1 million.
Current Gazan population is 2.1 million survivors.
And yes I know there are Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, I expect genocidal Israel to begin their spring war crimes campaign in the west bank.

Because you're an utter failure at having a meaningful discussion, I'm putting you on ignore, and will pray for both you and your family tomorrow tomorrow at church. I hope God has mercy on your soul, but if He doesn't, I'm okay with that as well.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

"Whar is ethnic cleansing?" is sealioning, an attempt to start a bad faith discussion. I'll pass.
Accusing me of "regurgitating terrorist propaganda" proves your bad faith beyond a reasonable doubt.

I will note for anyone who has made it to this point that the graphic that the islamophobic bigot posted above conviently ends around 2021, long before genocidal Israeli began their pogrom.

Notice how his graph ends in 2021....with the palestinian population around 5.1 million.
Current Gazan population is 2.1 million survivors.
And yes I know there are Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, I expect genocidal Israel to begin their spring war crimes campaign in the west bank.

Because you're an utter failure at having a meaningful discussion, I'm putting you on ignore, and will pray for both you and your family tomorrow tomorrow at church. I hope God has mercy on your soul, but if He doesn't, I'm okay with that as well.

The war in Gaza was not a "pogrom". The attack on October 7th was a classic pogrom--an orgy of unrestrained rape and murder directed against Jews.

The "occupied West Bank" is the historic Jewish heartland--the ancient territories of Judea and Samaria. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan snatched both of them along with Jerusalem shortly after Jordan was created as an Arab-only enclave within British Palestine in 1946. They had no legal claim to them. They just moved troops in and announced "these belong to us now."

It's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who is ignorant of history.

 

[Wilson23]

Judea and Samaria

May the world never again hear those names.

 

[BeatMan]

"Whar is ethnic cleansing?" is sealioning, an attempt to start a bad faith discussion. I'll pass.
Accusing me of "regurgitating terrorist propaganda" proves your bad faith beyond a reasonable doubt.

I will note for anyone who has made it to this point that the graphic that the islamophobic bigot posted above conviently ends around 2021, long before genocidal Israeli began their pogrom.

Notice how his graph ends in 2021....with the palestinian population around 5.1 million.
Current Gazan population is 2.1 million survivors.
And yes I know there are Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, I expect genocidal Israel to begin their spring war crimes campaign in the west bank.

Because you're an utter failure at having a meaningful discussion, I'm putting you on ignore, and will pray for both you and your family tomorrow tomorrow at church. I hope God has mercy on your soul, but if He doesn't, I'm okay with that as well.

The west bank was annexed by Jordan the Gaza was annexed from Egypt every pro-Palestinian ALWAYS IGNORE THE PERIOD 1949-1967. crying islamophobia means you already lost the debate. nobody hear mention islam nor muslims. why don't you explain why Yasser Arafat an EGYPTIAN BORN man become a Palestinian?

 

[BeatMan]

Yes, Gaddafi hated Israel, but this speech he gave at the Arab League Summit I believe in 2007 made the entire Arab world drop their jaws as he openly admitted that it was the Arabs, and not Israel, that attacked and forced the displacement of Arabs from the land, and it was the Arab Muslims in Egypt and Jordan who occupied Gaza, Samaria and Judea and refused to give the “Palestinians” a state. He admits that all of it was the responsibility of the Arabs and not the Jews, and that the Jews have the right to sue the Arabs for the massacres of Jews at the hands of the Arabs and for all the damage caused.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017771791221981250

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

May the world never again hear those names.

You can’t erase 2000 years of history. The ancient kingdoms of the Jewish people were Israel in the north with Samaria as its capital and Judah in the south with Jerusalem as its capital. Both were destroyed by the Babylonians around 600 BCE. Cyrus the Great of Persia, restored Jerusalem to the Jews about 50 years later and we’ve been there ever since.

Although the legend is that Moses composed the Torah, in reality it was probably compiled during this period, when the returning Jews wrote down their old stories and laws so we would never lose them.

The Jordanian claim to Judea and Samaria rests on holding them for a mere 2 decades. Modern Israel has controlled them for more than twice as long.

 

[BeatMan]

Palestinianism is Antisemitism

It is a painful truth but one we must confront with moral clarity. The Palestinian national identity, in its most dominant form, has not contributed meaningfully to human advancement in science, culture, or philosophy. Its most notable export has been ideological violence. From pioneering airplane hijackings in the 1970s to orchestrating waves of suicide bombings in the 1990s, Palestinian movements have left a legacy centered more on destruction than creation. Most enduring of all is a relentless hatred of Jews.

When I see Greta Thunberg sitting on yet another symbolic flotilla for Gaza, I find myself asking what Palestinianism has truly contributed to global discourse. The answer is as chilling as it is clear. It has become a platform through which antisemitism is not only justified but made fashionable again.

In the absence of a rich cultural tradition or a coherent vision for the future, the Palestinian identity has fixated on opposition to the Jewish state. This opposition has become useful to many in the West who still struggle with the legacy of the Holocaust and the success of the Jewish people. Palestinianism allows these individuals and movements to express old prejudices in new language. Through it, they find a form of spiritual absolution. The act of opposing Israel becomes an act of moral self-cleansing.

Framed in the rhetoric of postcolonial theory, radical leftist ideology, and identity politics, the Palestinian cause appears to be a noble struggle for justice. But in practice it functions as a modern vessel for an ancient hatred. It provides a path for European and American intellectuals to reengage in conspiratorial thinking about Jewish power and Jewish influence. This is not about Palestinian rights. It is about the rebranding of antisemitism.

We saw this clearly in the transformation of the British Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. There, leftist idealism blended seamlessly with Islamist dogma and old Catholic antisemitism into a new ideological structure. We see the same pattern among far right voices in the United States and far left movements in Europe. Both are convinced that the Palestinian struggle is merely a front for a deeper conflict with global Jewish influence.

Even Greta Thunberg, in one of her early public stances on Palestine, posed with a stuffed octopus. That was not a coincidence. The octopus is a well known antisemitic image that has appeared in propaganda for over a century.

Despite all of this, Israel often responds to these provocations with ironic detachment or soft-spoken diplomacy. There is a tendency to treat these flotillas and symbolic protests with humor or indifference. But there is nothing humorous here. These are not misguided peace missions. They are carefully curated political rituals that reinforce antisemitic ideas under the guise of human rights.


https://www.jfeed.com/opinions/palestinianism-antisemitism-revival

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Palestinianism is Antisemitism

It is a painful truth but one we must confront with moral clarity. The Palestinian national identity, in its most dominant form, has not contributed meaningfully to human advancement in science, culture, or philosophy. Its most notable export has been ideological violence. From pioneering airplane hijackings in the 1970s to orchestrating waves of suicide bombings in the 1990s, Palestinian movements have left a legacy centered more on destruction than creation. Most enduring of all is a relentless hatred of Jews.

When I see Greta Thunberg sitting on yet another symbolic flotilla for Gaza, I find myself asking what Palestinianism has truly contributed to global discourse. The answer is as chilling as it is clear. It has become a platform through which antisemitism is not only justified but made fashionable again.

In the absence of a rich cultural tradition or a coherent vision for the future, the Palestinian identity has fixated on opposition to the Jewish state. This opposition has become useful to many in the West who still struggle with the legacy of the Holocaust and the success of the Jewish people. Palestinianism allows these individuals and movements to express old prejudices in new language. Through it, they find a form of spiritual absolution. The act of opposing Israel becomes an act of moral self-cleansing.

Framed in the rhetoric of postcolonial theory, radical leftist ideology, and identity politics, the Palestinian cause appears to be a noble struggle for justice. But in practice it functions as a modern vessel for an ancient hatred. It provides a path for European and American intellectuals to reengage in conspiratorial thinking about Jewish power and Jewish influence. This is not about Palestinian rights. It is about the rebranding of antisemitism.

We saw this clearly in the transformation of the British Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. There, leftist idealism blended seamlessly with Islamist dogma and old Catholic antisemitism into a new ideological structure. We see the same pattern among far right voices in the United States and far left movements in Europe. Both are convinced that the Palestinian struggle is merely a front for a deeper conflict with global Jewish influence.

Even Greta Thunberg, in one of her early public stances on Palestine, posed with a stuffed octopus. That was not a coincidence. The octopus is a well known antisemitic image that has appeared in propaganda for over a century.

Despite all of this, Israel often responds to these provocations with ironic detachment or soft-spoken diplomacy. There is a tendency to treat these flotillas and symbolic protests with humor or indifference. But there is nothing humorous here. These are not misguided peace missions. They are carefully curated political rituals that reinforce antisemitic ideas under the guise of human rights.


https://www.jfeed.com/opinions/palestinianism-antisemitism-revival

Antizionism vs. antisemism.

The antisemite says Jews are invaders from the Middle East, corrupting white European culture.

The antizionist says Jews are white invaders from Europe, oppressing the poor Palestinians.

Both are ways of justifying Jew-hate.

Strictly speaking, Palestinianism isn’t antisemitism, it’s antizionism. But the distinction is academic. It’s the same old wine poured into a new bottle.

 

[Wilson23]

Strictly speaking, Palestinianism isn’t antisemitism, it’s antizionism. But the distinction is academic. It’s the same old wine poured into a new bottle.

No, the old wine, European antisemitism, considers Jews intelligent and capable but evil, cowardly, behind-the-scenes string-pullers and manipulators by their hereditary nature. That is probably not how Palestinians view them. If they were to win, they would not enact Nuremberg Laws to cleanse their gene-pool of Jewish blood.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

I know this question...
I can't remember it now...
it's on the tip of my tongue...
didn't he get a Nobel price for that?
was it Albert Einstein, possibly?

 

[VerbalAbuse]

Palestine meets virtually NONE of the requirements of a sovereign state

yes, but invented those requirements? people of Israel?

 

[Wilson23]

I know this question...
I can't remember it now...
it's on the tip of my tongue...
didn't he get a Nobel price for that?
was it Albert Einstein, possibly?

I think Einstein once was offered the presidency of Israel. (He was no statesman, but that doesn't matter, it's a ceremonial office, like the kingship in a constitutional monarchy.)

 

[VerbalAbuse]

I think Einstein once was offered the presidency of Israel. (He was no statesman, but that doesn't matter, it's a ceremonial office, like the kingship in a constitutional monarchy.)

yea... so I was right, it was Einstein.
If I remember correctly, he's the guy who fucked in the derriere his first wife. Or was it that he stabbed her in her back? I know that it was one of them...

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

yes, but invented those requirements? people of Israel?

The Montevideo Convention

It’s been the standard since 1933. 15 years before Israel met its criteria and became a sovereign state.

 

[Wilson23]

yea... so I was right, it was Einstein.
If I remember correctly, he's the guy who fucked in the derriere his first wife. Or was it that he stabbed her in her back? I know that it was one of them...

Einstein's first wife was a fellow physicist, and there there is historical controversy over whether she made uncredited contributions to his work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mileva_Marić